Jord200 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 The monster at the very end? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbgScyp04YI I think thats Giant Killer. You can see No.15 in the top left corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Destiny Leo will probably be Summoned in the episode after next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 [quote name='Jord200' timestamp='1337774695' post='5945410'] The monster at the very end? I think thats Giant Killer. You can see No.15 in the top left corner. [/quote] [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1337776291' post='5945418'] Destiny Leo will probably be Summoned in the episode after next. [/quote] Oh yeah it does seem so. Question that's been puzzling me. Was there any nessessity to Kaito playing that Big Bang Panic card? I mean, Dyson Sphere had enough units to give it three attacks, it didn't need the attack boost, and its equip spell was already negated by Galaxy Eyes as well. Unless there's something I've missed. Curses Dyson Sphere's crapness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 [quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1337783659' post='5945448'] Oh yeah it does seem so. Question that's been puzzling me. Was there any nessessity to Kaito playing that Big Bang Panic card? I mean, Dyson Sphere had enough units to give it three attacks, it didn't need the attack boost, and its equip spell was already negated by Galaxy Eyes as well. Unless there's something I've missed. Curses Dyson Sphere's crapness. [/quote] Yes, actually. And by that, I mean "no". Neo Galaxy's effect would have negated V's Equip card, so it was unnecessary. The only thing I can figure is they didnt want to seem like overkill by having Neo Galaxy attack directly, so instead they involved a plot device so Neo Galaxy could attack for exactly 4000 damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1337787812' post='5945485'] Yes, actually. And by that, I mean "no". Neo Galaxy's effect would have negated V's Equip card, so it was unnecessary. The only thing I can figure is they didnt want to seem like overkill by having Neo Galaxy attack directly, so instead they involved a plot device so Neo Galaxy could attack for exactly 4000 damage. [/quote] Yes, because Neo Galaxy hitting for a total 8,000+ and with an attack to spare would have made kids heads explode. I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 [quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1337788465' post='5945489'] Yes, because Neo Galaxy hitting for a total 8,000+ and with an attack to spare would have made kids heads explode. I see. [/quote] Doubly annoying because the Space Field effect was completely pointless. -Kaito didnt need his draw to win. -V didnt need his draw, either. He had like 5 cards in hand when the Duel ended. And all of V's cards on the Duel Coaster were unneeded. My hunch is his Deck is stacked with a ton of Spells and Traps that punish the opponent for attacking directly, and that when he plays monsters, they're only to bring out Dyson Sphere, which has effects to ensure no attacks go through, especially not aimed at itself. And with a 2800 indestructible monster that negates attacks, and can attack directly if the opponent has a stronger monster, that's all he'd NEED to win most Duels. Numbers and Galaxy-Eyes can't beat Dyson Sphere in battle, stronger monsters let him direct attack, and weaker monsters he can beat down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 That duel really did suck, but exposition is kewl. Also, since Faker is Kaito's dad, and Tron is his friend and such, I predict the following: -Faker and Tron will become good guys after losing card games -Mr Heartland will actually be evil, and have to get owned -Black Mist will pull a Bakura and actually become the primary antagonist at the end. Also, while its pretty much impossible to look awesome in a pink shirt and suspenders, Kaito comes reeeeeally close to pulling it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 [quote name='Pacmanexus' timestamp='1337818968' post='5945767'] That duel really did suck, but exposition is kewl. Also, since Faker is Kaito's dad, and Tron is his friend and such, I predict the following: -Faker and Tron will become good guys after losing card games -Mr Heartland will actually be evil, and have to get owned -Black Mist will pull a Bakura and actually become the primary antagonist at the end. Also, while its pretty much impossible to look awesome in a pink shirt and suspenders, Kaito comes reeeeeally close to pulling it off. [/quote] I hate that in YuGiOh: *Final boss loses duel* I'm sorry I tried to take over / destroy the world, I don't know what I was doing. But now I've lost to you (lead protagonists name), I've had an on the spot personality transformation and am not evil anymore. Can we be friends? Probably a stupid question, but I assume everyone else would rather Kaito fight Faker / Tron than Yuma? Think Kaito will be the one to take out his dad, or maybe 2 or 1, whereas Yuma will go after Tron and try and make him less vengeful as what Kazuma would want. Faker I can't see repenting. Watched the dub of ep20 yesterday (hethen), such a cool episode because of Black Mist. Tetsuo's wasn't actually that bad to watch duel either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 How about this twist: [b]Dr. Faker ISN'T evil after all. [/b]What, retarded? Well, guys, think: [b]Dr. Faker has never done anything morally evil himself, save for the things V mentioned.[/b] But as I already said in another post, it could be that Tron (actually not Bairon Arclight) is just lying. This means, [b]there is no real evidence that Dr. Faker is evil.[/b] True, he keeps on dumping lots of garbage to the Astral World using Haruto's powers, his son Kaito keeps on technically killing people through card games, he has Yami-Marik-esque facial expressions in every single appearance, he has been shown to be Rex Godwin Jr. in the 3rd OP, [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUqnNVwC2fk]his theme song is quite obviously that of a big-bad-boss character[/url], and he has a terribly antagonistic-sounding name, but [b]all of his doings can be justified if his belief that the Astral World will destroy our world is true.[/b] A truly skilled leader wouldn’t hesitate to kill a hundred duelists and drive one if his sons insane, if it means saving the planet. Why can I say that his beliefs can be true, then? Because [b]the fact all the Numbers except Utopia are confirmed to be evil means that there's no denying that the Astral World isn't exactly the typical happyland of innocent angelic laughter.[/b] Given even a single percent of Astral’s memory is enough to make anyone go OMG I’M EVIL MWAHAHAHA, I wouldn’t be surprised if [b]Astral’s secret mission, the cause for him appearing before Yuma, is to destroy the world[/b]. If so, the last arc of ZeXal would be pretty much Yubel and Dark Signers combined. Now, for proof Dr. Faker could be actually benevolent. Dr. Faker argued in his first episode that "this is the only way this world can be left safe", and when Haruto was in a coma, he seemed really worried about him. Then, who’s the real antagonist that gives the Heartland Government that antagonistic gleam? [b]It’s Mr. Heartland.[/b] HE has been shown to pretty much go torture Kaito, Gauche and Droite. HE has been shown to be morally rotten. And I honestly think, the way he smiles is more of a primal antagonist than Dr. Faker’s. Anyone agree with this theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1337856591' post='5945994'] How about this twist: [b]Dr. Faker ISN'T evil after all. [/b]What, retarded? Well, guys, think: [b]Dr. Faker has never done anything morally evil himself, save for the things V mentioned.[/b] But as I already said in another post, it could be that Tron (actually not Bairon Arclight) is just lying. This means, [b]there is no real evidence that Dr. Faker is evil.[/b] True, he keeps on dumping lots of garbage to the Astral World using Haruto's powers, his son Kaito keeps on technically killing people through card games, he has Yami-Marik-esque facial expressions in every single appearance, he has been shown to be Rex Godwin Jr. in the 3rd OP, [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUqnNVwC2fk"]his theme song is quite obviously that of a big-bad-boss character[/url], and he has a terribly antagonistic-sounding name, but [b]all of his doings can be justified if his belief that the Astral World will destroy our world is true.[/b] A truly skilled leader wouldn’t hesitate to kill a hundred duelists and drive one if his sons insane, if it means saving the planet. Why can I say that his beliefs can be true, then? Because [b]the fact all the Numbers except Utopia are confirmed to be evil means that there's no denying that the Astral World isn't exactly the typical happyland of innocent angelic laughter.[/b] Given even a single percent of Astral’s memory is enough to make anyone go OMG I’M EVIL MWAHAHAHA, I wouldn’t be surprised if [b]Astral’s secret mission, the cause for him appearing before Yuma, is to destroy the world[/b]. If so, the last arc of ZeXal would be pretty much Yubel and Dark Signers combined. Now, for proof Dr. Faker could be actually benevolent. Dr. Faker argued in his first episode that "this is the only way this world can be left safe", and when Haruto was in a coma, he seemed really worried about him. Then, who’s the real antagonist that gives the Heartland Government that antagonistic gleam? [b]It’s Mr. Heartland.[/b] HE has been shown to pretty much go torture Kaito, Gauche and Droite. HE has been shown to be morally rotten. And I honestly think, the way he smiles is more of a primal antagonist than Dr. Faker’s. Anyone agree with this theory? [/quote] That's one of the best things about this series that really sets it apart from the others. We really don't know. It's not just 'here's the one really obvious big bad for this series' like Pegasus, Marik, Sartorious, Dark Signers and Yliaster were. It's not the last minute appearing/turning out of nowhere like Kagemaru or Goodwin. It's really finely balanced between several guys all battling against each other with their own agendas which are only half clear what and why they're doing things. You could argue cases for and against any of three or four characters as being the final big bad boss. And one of those four contenders is the main character's ominpresent partner whose constantly on screen! Doctor Faker? Tron? Mr Heartland? Astral? Think episode 60 will be dead interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 That'd be at least an interesting twist. I originally theorized that Mr. Heartland was just misled, told by Dr. Faker that the Numbers were evil or whatever, and passing orders to Kaito. I thought at first that Mr. Heartland was genuinely looking out for his city. Except recently, Mr. Heartland has seemed completely morally ambiguous, kind of like Divine from 5Ds. Seems like he has good intentions, but in actuality is a malicious bastard willing to put anyone in harm's way if the outcome is favorable to him. Dr. Faker being a blatant villain would make the twist hilarious if it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 That does actually make sense. Although I still say that Black Mist is gonna be the final boss, because it COULD be Astral, but we all know he'd turn back to a good guy during his duel with Yuma. And now of course, because we've analyzed so many awesome and possible seeming plot twists, none of them will happen, and we'll all cry inside and write fan fics that are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 I'm still enraged that Charlie stealing one of Yuma's Numbers had absolutely no significance whatsoever. And even more sad that it wasn't Volcasaurus (you lying preview) and it did not, in any way, result in Charlie beating Yuma, (but sparing Volcasaurus), and then Yuma wielding the aforementioned Volcasaurus in a rematch. Because damn you, writers, why do you hate Volcasaurus?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1337923220' post='5946552'] Because damn you, writers, why do you hate Volcasaurus?! [/quote] It's not the writers' fault, it's Shark's fault. After all, he's the one who tried to push Volca into the Hate Crevice in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 [quote name='Dementuo Black Sun' timestamp='1337925361' post='5946560'] It's not the writers' fault, it's Shark's fault. After all, he's the one who tried to push Volca into the Hate Crevice in the first place. [/quote] Well, Freezerdon ended up in there, and became toilet paper - while Volca is now one of the best Rank 5s. gg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Love you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 We love you too evilfusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 There are other Rank 5s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1337923220' post='5946552'] I'm still enraged that Charlie stealing one of Yuma's Numbers had absolutely no significance whatsoever. And even more sad that it wasn't Volcasaurus (you lying preview) and it did not, in any way, result in Charlie beating Yuma, (but sparing Volcasaurus), and then Yuma wielding the aforementioned Volcasaurus in a rematch. Because damn you, writers, why do you hate Volcasaurus?! [/quote] Charlie's episodes were hugely disappointing overall. And probably because: [quote]2 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Level"]Level[/url] 5 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_Card"]monsters[/url] This card can only be [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Destroyed_by_battle"]destroyed by battle[/url] with another "[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Number"]Number[/url]" monster. You can detach 1 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Xyz_Material"]Xyz Material[/url] from this card to [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Target"]target[/url] 1 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster"]monster[/url] your opponent [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Control"]controls[/url]; [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Destroy"]destroy[/url] the target and inflict [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Effect_damage"]damage[/url] to your opponent equal to that [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster"]monster[/url]'s [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/ATK"]ATK[/url]. [This card can attack directly after using its effect twice].[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Okay, so its anime effect is broken. They can just modify it a bit. They've done that plenty of times with 5Ds, changing a card effect after it's been released. Most notable was Blackfeather Dragon, where its anime effect changed to the RL effect between Team Taiyou and Team Ragnarok. I really dislike how the writers are so Hope obsessed, especially the "all the other Numbers are evil" thing. I wont bother complaining in detail, since we've all mentioned it before. With Yuma running stuff like Gagaga Magician, you'd think playing another Number would be okay. And it's more annoying with the Zexal Weapons, because the RL ones can only be used with Utopia Ray. Maybe they weren't really planning on giving C32 any Zexal Weapons, but the option would have been nice. Which makes me wonder yet if Yuma will Duel Shark, and if he does and wins Number (C)32, whether he'd actually USE it in one of the final battles. Because you almost always know that in Yu-Gi-Oh series, near the end of the season/series, the protagonist uses the strongest cards in his arsenal to combat the antagonist. ESPECIALLY if they're plot crucial cards. -Yugi used Obelisk and Slifer against Marik. The ceremonial duel used all 3 Gods. -Jaden used Rainbow Neos against Yubel. He used Super Polymerization to get it out the first time. He also used Yubel/Neos Wiseman against Darkness, again with Super Polymerization (Neos Wiseman should have been a Fusion in RL), and he finished it off with God Neos. -Yusei often brought out Stardust and its upgrades in crucial duels. He used Shooting Star Dragon in every WRGP duel after obtaining it, and won with it. Hell, he used Shooting Star Dragon in EVERY Duel after obtaining it. He used Majestic Star against the Polar Gods, although really that was more just a cameo. He upgraded further to Shooting Quasar against Z-ONE. Against Z-ONE, he played ALL the Signer Dragons in one Duel (although amusingly, not Stardust until the very last move...so broken). - So far, Yuma has played Hope and Leviathan. He occasionally used Utopia Ray (Jin, Kaito, Charlie, Syuta, III/IV, III). If the protagonist pattern continues, at least some of the Numbers should reappear, and if he claimed C32, he'd be obligated to play it. So more likely, Shark never loses it and he takes part in one of the final battles and uses it himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 I like to believe that not all of the Numbers are evil. Only the ones born from evil intentions and desires. Of course that would mean only Hope, Terra-Byte, and Galaxy Queen would be good. I hoping ( no pun intended ) Astral and Yuma duel at the end of the series and spam Numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 [b]I support:[/b] -The theory of "Black Mist = Bakura equivalent", because ZeXal has demonstrated to like having parallels with the other series. We talk about a villian that has blatantly evil intentions, but doesn't seem like part of the big bad cast at first. Will become more relevant in the future, since his place in the show makes him a character from which the protagonist cannot get rid of. -Dr Faker's "not so bad" theory. I mean, I don't expect him to be all good overall, but he's more of a gray character. Yuma's speech in the last episode, seemed to hint at Dr Faker coming to terms with Kaito as a normal family. Yugioh is sort of more in the idealist side than the realistic side regarding endings. Mostly no tragedies ever happen. Mr Hearland will probably be the last boss of the tournament. I can't see him just being an observer forever. Attempting to explain why ZeXal Weapons pretty much only work with C39 so far: During his Duel with III, Yuma, while using the ZeXal tranformation and "shinning draw", (at least with the subs I saw) seemed to blatantly state that the power of ZeXal, is the power that creates miracles, alters destiny, and creates what wasn't there before, because the Duelist creates the weapon. In other words, Deus Ex Machina gives him exactly the effect he specifically needs in a given situation, for a one-time use. It's a mere theory though, he kind of hinted that he admitted such a card as a "ZeXal weapon" to not form part of his Deck originally/usually. I don't remember the exact quotes, I don't know japanese, and subs most likely differ in some things from time to time so, just a thought based on what I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 i'm looking forward to the SharK/IV duel, it makes me wonder if Shark win if he'll gain any of IV's Numbers because III gave Yuma his Numbers, and V willingly gave Kaito his Number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 It seems that this magma field destroys ANY WATER monster thats summoned. Whether its Normal, Special, or Flip, and its not once per turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 even though Shark got around it by using Plate Salvage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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