Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXal Sub/Manga Official Discussion Thread

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Guys...
[spoiler=Spoilers from Episode 55]
It turns out "Tron" is Byron Arclight, formerly one of Dr. Faker's closest colleagues, and the father to III, IV, and V (whose real name is Chris).
Dr. Faker and Byron hired Kazuma to take them to some ruins, but Dr. Faker turned on them and sent them to another dimension as sacrifices to try and open The Door. Byron managed to return, but his body was warped into that of a child (and I think his mind was, too.)
However, I really hate the fact that Tron is so dead-set on making Yuma his enemy. If anything, they should be allies, since III, IV, V, and Yuma would all want revenge against Dr. Faker for what he did to their dads. And why the codenames?
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[evilfusion]

We probably dont know everything yet, and will learn more as time goes on.

Tron really considered Yuma any sort of threat when he learned his father's Kazuma (and/or that Yuma has "the original Number"), and additionally so when III lost his Duel with Yuma. Before then, he didn't seem the least bit aware or concerned about Yuma.

Even if we know a little about Tron's history, we don't know exactly why he's so warped, or where the family's powers came from.

We also dont really know what purpose Tron and family have for the Numbers, either. Part of it could be simply to prevent Dr. Faker from collecting them all, but surely there's a plan beyond that. Also, remember that Tron and family HAD NO CLUE who Yuma was until they realized

- He is associated with Kaito somehow (and Kaito is very obviously an enemy)
- He has Numbers
- He has Chaos Number 39
- He's related to Kazuma
- He has "the original Number"

I don't see why he'd be a potential ally at all.

[~British Soul~]

i think when Kaito was trying to attack Number 9 with GEPD, i know he was intending to use GEPD's effect to banish it and Number 9, but i wonder if Kaito figured out that Number 9's effect only works whilst it has Xyz Material? that is if that is how the effect works though

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

How DOES #9's effect work?

[evilfusion]

We don't really know how the effect works yet. My original theory is that its effect is "While this card has Xyz Material, it cannot be attacked". This would pretty much require Kaito to use Neo Galaxy to win.

I thought Kaito attacked partially because he deduced it only had 2800 ATK (because it dealt 1000 when it destroys his 1800 Photon Delta Wing), and that Galaxy-Eyes' effect was a fallback.

The preview for next episode on Wiki says that Dyson Sphere has overwhelming effects. Plural.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

TBH I predict Kaito would lose.

I mean, he NEVER loses. That's stupid. Even Yusei technically lost to Kiryu once - he should lose to someone once, and get some new powers, fight back, and gain more badassness instead of just keep on with his winning streak.

[Jord200]

[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1337118880' post='5940027']
TBH I predict Kaito would lose.

I mean, he NEVER loses. That's stupid. Even Yusei technically lost to Kiryu once - he should lose to someone once, and get some new powers, fight back, and gain more badassness instead of just keep on with his winning streak.
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I was kind of thinking the same thing. However, Dr. Faker would be furious if Kaito lost the WDC. And 14+ Numbers.

[evilfusion]

I dont think Kaito will lose to V. Firstly, we know he Summons Neo Galaxy-Eyes next episode, so I find it unlikely that V will be able to win just like that.

There's a high possibility that Kaito will duel either Yuma or Tron in the semi-finals, and I'm confident he'll lose then. It'll either be a destined rematch with Yuma, or a vendetta match against Tron. Droite's comments last episodes in regards to protecting Kaito from Tron made me think Tron has a motive to attack Kaito, and Kaito has a reason to battle Tron, so...

But last opening and this opening have emphasized Kaito vs Yuma to the point where them NOT facing off would be ridiculously anti-climactic. Between each of their Duels, they got upgrades:

-Duel 1. Yuma has regular Numbers, Kaito has regular Galaxy-Eyes. Kaito wins easily.
-Duel 2. Yuma/Astral has Number C39 and Zexal power, Kaito has regular Galaxy-Eyes. Yuma almost wins as a result, but the Duel ends in a draw.
-Duel 3?: Kaito now has Neo Galaxy-Eyes.

This makes every Duel in the finals personal.

-Droite vs Tron: Droite's cannon fodder with a personal connection to Kaito.
-V vs Kaito: V kidnapped Haruto, and is also Kaito's ex-mentor.
-IV vs Shark: Yeah...
-Yuma vs Gauche: Gauche's rivalry with Yuma.

-Semi-finals possible pairings

A) Tron vs Kaito / Yuma vs Shark.
Tron vs Shark / Yuma vs Kaito
C) Tron vs Yuma / Kaito vs Shark (unlikely)

Also, V still has his crest, so him losing would not compromise the family's Number plans, although it does make me wonder why he's involved at all.

[Bringerofcake]

There's also the fact that Shark DOES face Kaito at one point, so option C becomes somewhat more likely. But since this is Yu-Gi-Oh, it's gonna be B. Do the Battle City Finals ring a bell?

[~British Soul~]

i think it might be option A because looking at the wikia the winner of this duel has to duel Tron, and it would make sense if Kaito won tbh, then Yuma would have to get through Shark if he want to get to the final (if Shark wins ofc), which by that point both would have Chaos Numbers

[DARKPLANT RISING]

…Hey, I just thought up something terribly insane, and at the same time amazingly epic.

V (Chris) stated in the latest episode that he only saw Tsukumo Kazuma, Vairon Arklight, and Dr. Faker going into the cavern in which the gate to a different universe opened. He didn’t Dr. Faker sacrificing Yuma and V’s fathers.

Which means, [b]there is no proof that this really happened.[/b]

Then, who told V about this? Tron. Tron, who told V that he was the former Vairon Arklight who warped through dimensions and finally came back to this world, mutating in the long process.

Tron has been shown to have the ability to steal peoples’ memories and make it his own, as he did with Droite. What does this mean?

I predict that [b]Tron ISN’T Vairon Arklight. He was originally a supernatural force living in the Astral or Varian World, which devoured Vairon Arklight’s memory and used his powers to enter this world.[/b] Given Astral’s body is made of misty light, it’s very possible the inhabitants of the other worlds can shapeshift at will. If so, Tron could have used those powers to mutate into a younger Arklight to further deceive III, IV, and V.

Then, why would this “Tron” have to do this? What’s his objective?

Well, Tron ordered his “sons” to take revenge against Dr. Faker. And Dr. Faker is shown to be the true ruler of Heartland City, possessing cutting-edge technology, including machines capable of stopping time, opening gateways to other worlds, etc. One possibility is that Tron wishes to gain control of these mechs and abuse them to take over all three worlds.

Another fact we should never ignore is how [b]Dr. Faker believes he needs to destroy the Astral World, because “otherwise, this world will be destroyed instead”[/b]. Tron could be trying to stop this by killing Faker.

If my theory is correct, that would be like, THE. BEST. PLOT. TWIST. EVAR.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Watched the subs, so here I am.

Yuma forgot to do his whole 'I'm in space I CAN'T BREATHE!' thing. Hopefully he's getting better.

That or Kaito took his stupidity, can't believe he would forget he couldn't destroy a Numbers with Galaxy Eyes. Surely bad translation.

Btw, KAITO YOU BASTARD! HOW CAN YOU BE SO HEARTLESS!!!

Dyson Sphere was pretty badass.

Satisfied and enjoyed the whole backstory told to us by V...

[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1337162829' post='5940432']
…Hey, I just thought up something terribly insane, and at the same time amazingly epic.

V (Chris) stated in the latest episode that he only saw Tsukumo Kazuma, Vairon Arklight, and Dr. Faker going into the cavern in which the gate to a different universe opened. He didn’t Dr. Faker sacrificing Yuma and V’s fathers.

Which means, [b]there is no proof that this really happened.[/b]

Then, who told V about this? Tron. Tron, who told V that he was the former Vairon Arklight who warped through dimensions and finally came back to this world, mutating in the long process.

Tron has been shown to have the ability to steal peoples’ memories and make it his own, as he did with Droite. What does this mean?

I predict that [b]Tron ISN’T Vairon Arklight. He was originally a supernatural force living in the Astral or Varian World, which devoured Vairon Arklight’s memory and used his powers to enter this world.[/b] Given Astral’s body is made of misty light, it’s very possible the inhabitants of the other worlds can shapeshift at will. If so, Tron could have used those powers to mutate into a younger Arklight to further deceive III, IV, and V.

Then, why would this “Tron” have to do this? What’s his objective?

Well, Tron ordered his “sons” to take revenge against Dr. Faker. And Dr. Faker is shown to be the true ruler of Heartland City, possessing cutting-edge technology, including machines capable of stopping time, opening gateways to other worlds, etc. One possibility is that Tron wishes to gain control of these mechs and abuse them to take over all three worlds.

Another fact we should never ignore is how [b]Dr. Faker believes he needs to destroy the Astral World, because “otherwise, this world will be destroyed instead”[/b]. Tron could be trying to stop this by killing Faker.

If my theory is correct, that would be like, THE. BEST. PLOT. TWIST. EVAR.
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Holy s***, that would be awesome.

Then we could find out Tron is really Yuma from the future.... and then that he isn't really and is just a cosplayer *shot to death*

[~British Soul~]

[quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1337181515' post='5940491']
That or Kaito took his stupidity, [b]can't believe he would forget he couldn't destroy a Numbers with Galaxy Eyes.[/b] Surely bad translation.
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because he totally wasn't intending on using GEPD's effect, why else would he attack Number 9 with it?

[evilfusion]

[quote name='Bringerofcake' timestamp='1337146390' post='5940369']
There's also the fact that Shark DOES face Kaito at one point, so option C becomes somewhat more likely. But since this is Yu-Gi-Oh, it's gonna be B. Do the Battle City Finals ring a bell?
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I referenced this explicitly last week, when I predicted that Kaito and Yuma would Duel next in order to conclude their rivalry, but also for Tron to be the final oppponent in the Carnival finals (like Marik).

[quote name='evilsoul' timestamp='1337156571' post='5940414']
i think it might be option A because looking at the wikia the winner of this duel has to duel Tron, and it would make sense if Kaito won tbh, then Yuma would have to get through Shark if he want to get to the final (if Shark wins ofc), which by that point both would have Chaos Numbers
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That fits with my alternate theory that Tron wants to battle Kaito for whatever reason (Droite's comments last episode). The issue with my theory of Yuma vs Kaito is again, we'd be giving the protagonist way too many Numbers at once, most we still haven't seen because Kaito doesn't use Numbers anymore.

And it'd actually be pretty damn unfair, even though the writers dont think like this, to "upgrade" Yuma's Extra Deck by 15+ Numbers right before a match against Tron.

And since Tron's plans seem to include Shark once they have the Numbers, it's possible Tron doesn't even NEED to take Numbers. Tron's plan with Shark was to let a Number corrupt him, and I can see Yuma and Shark battling to conclude their own rivalry. Yuma has been solidly trounced by Shark every duel since episode 2.

[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1337162829' post='5940432']
…Hey, I just thought up something terribly insane, and at the same time amazingly epic.

V (Chris) stated in the latest episode that he only saw Tsukumo Kazuma, Vairon Arklight, and Dr. Faker going into the cavern in which the gate to a different universe opened. He didn’t Dr. Faker sacrificing Yuma and V’s fathers.

Which means, [b]there is no proof that this really happened.[/b]

Then, who told V about this? Tron. Tron, who told V that he was the former Vairon Arklight who warped through dimensions and finally came back to this world, mutating in the long process.

Tron has been shown to have the ability to steal peoples’ memories and make it his own, as he did with Droite. What does this mean?

I predict that [b]Tron ISN’T Vairon Arklight. He was originally a supernatural force living in the Astral or Varian World, which devoured Vairon Arklight’s memory and used his powers to enter this world.[/b] Given Astral’s body is made of misty light, it’s very possible the inhabitants of the other worlds can shapeshift at will. If so, Tron could have used those powers to mutate into a younger Arklight to further deceive III, IV, and V.

Then, why would this “Tron” have to do this? What’s his objective?

Well, Tron ordered his “sons” to take revenge against Dr. Faker. And Dr. Faker is shown to be the true ruler of Heartland City, possessing cutting-edge technology, including machines capable of stopping time, opening gateways to other worlds, etc. One possibility is that Tron wishes to gain control of these mechs and abuse them to take over all three worlds.

Another fact we should never ignore is how [b]Dr. Faker believes he needs to destroy the Astral World, because “otherwise, this world will be destroyed instead”[/b]. Tron could be trying to stop this by killing Faker.

If my theory is correct, that would be like, THE. BEST. PLOT. TWIST. EVAR.
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Good god, that would be epic.

We should begin writing a fanfic to compensate for this theory being disproved a la ZONE's backstory anti-climax.

Slight support for your theory is this: V said Kazuma's still alive in the Astral World. However, that implies that either Tron and Kazuma went to different worlds (Tron may be from the Valian World, considering those powers), or Tron was in the Astral World. Except, when Tron was performing his ritual on Haruto, he gushed over how beautiful the Astral World was...as if he'd never been there.

[~British Soul~]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1337183096' post='5940512']
That fits with my alternate theory that Tron wants to battle Kaito for whatever reason (Droite's comments last episode). The issue with my theory of Yuma vs Kaito is again, we'd be giving the protagonist way too many Numbers at once, most we still haven't seen because Kaito doesn't use Numbers anymore.

And it'd actually be pretty damn unfair, even though the writers dont think like this, to "upgrade" Yuma's Extra Deck by 15+ Numbers right before a match against Tron.

And since Tron's plans seem to include Shark once they have the Numbers, it's possible Tron doesn't even NEED to take Numbers. Tron's plan with Shark was to let a Number corrupt him, and I can see Yuma and Shark battling to conclude their own rivalry. Yuma has been solidly trounced by Shark every duel since episode 2.
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that's true, though i'm leaning towards the theory that Tron might not want to take Kaito's Numbers, because otherwise he would have too many Numbers that Yuma would claim at the end, and i don't think the writers don't want to do that, that way Kaito would still have a purpose in the series if he still had his Numbers.

Yuma vs Shark would definately decide their rivalry like Yugi vs Kaiba in Battle City (coincidence that both are semi-final matches) though with Yugi and Kaiba Yugi had only lost once to Kaiba before the match.

Now why am i thinking that the WDC would be like the Battle City Tournament

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='evilsoul' timestamp='1337182786' post='5940509']
because he totally wasn't intending on using GEPD's effect, why else would he attack Number 9 with it?
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Still wouldn't destroy it. Like I said, probably bad translation.

When I saw V summon Number 9 (or rather didn't see... okay set up to summon) on the first turn my initial reaction was "Really? First turn? No build up?" but the way it was all done was actually quite neat.

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1337183096' post='5940512']
That fits with my alternate theory that Tron wants to battle Kaito for whatever reason (Droite's comments last episode). The issue with my theory of Yuma vs Kaito is again, we'd be giving the protagonist way too many Numbers at once, most we still haven't seen because Kaito doesn't use Numbers anymore.

And it'd actually be pretty damn unfair, even though the writers dont think like this, to "upgrade" Yuma's Extra Deck by 15+ Numbers right before a match against Tron.[/quote]

Suggesting Yuma would use any of them

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Good god, that would be epic.

We should begin writing a fanfic to compensate for this theory being disproved a la ZONE's backstory anti-climax.

Slight support for your theory is this: V said Kazuma's still alive in the Astral World. However, that implies that either Tron and Kazuma went to different worlds (Tron may be from the Valian World, considering those powers), or Tron was in the Astral World. Except, when Tron was performing his ritual on Haruto, he gushed over how beautiful the Astral World was...as if he'd never been there.
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I might have missed something, but could they have gone the other way around?

I'm sure somewhere in the series it said something about Kazuma being in the Astral World, and Tron's trap card Anglemois that he gave to III, he said it was a portal to the Valian World?

Also, one more thing: Faker being Kaito and Haruto's dad. That puts another angle on his reaction to Haruto's condition in ep44 more than 'my plan is set back now my pawn is in a coma', but don't understand why Kaito didn't really care or even seem to acknowledge it. Still ep 60 is apparently about Faker. Really glad we're getting some answers now.

Still want to punch Kaito in the face right now though.

[~British Soul~]

[quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1337184067' post='5940519']
Still wouldn't destroy it. Like I said, probably bad translation.
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haven't seen the subs so i wouldn't know to be honest, though to be fair, now that Kaito knows that his regular attacks are useless, he now needs to get NGEPD out asap

[evilfusion]

Kaito probably barely knows Dr. Faker in the first place. Dr. Faker has clearly been isolated from people in order to do his research, and Kaito has always referred to him as Dr. Faker, so either Kaito is scarcely aware of their biological relationship, or he doesn't care.

I was greatly amused that Yuma seemed about to punch Kaito. Even more amused that Kaito didnt even flinch when Yuma grabbed his collar. For that matter, V was unfazed in episode 50 when Kaito grabbed his collar. Apparently it's significantly less threatening than intended.

I did say the writers dont think like that. To them, Yuma only has Number 39. But if a good, non-redundant writer had a ton of Numbers at Yuma's disposal, it'd be incredibly unfair to give him +15 right before the final battle.

In episode 23, Kaito made a point of teling Astral he doesn't have parents or anything like that, only Haruto. Dr. Faker probably had little, if any, family contact, and so Kaito bonded with Haruto and no one else. However, I note he briefly seemed distressed about Droite, but then dismissed it coldly. His shell seems to be a way to keep in control, especially in the middle of a significant Duel. Last time he showed intense emotion, III and IV nearly slaughtered him in the Duel.

Interestingly, did anyone notice V only had 4000 LP? He was last seen with 4600 and considering his reaction to losing even 400 LP, I wonder why he got reduced.

I also noticed both unsubbed and subbed that Yuma only mentioned Tron as III and V's father. Evidently, IV doesn't exist in Yuma's mind anymore. And yes, Yuma has to know that IV's related to III.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1337185139' post='5940521']
Kaito probably barely knows Dr. Faker in the first place. Dr. Faker has clearly been isolated from people in order to do his research, and Kaito has always referred to him as Dr. Faker, so either Kaito is scarcely aware of their biological relationship, or he doesn't care.

I was greatly amused that Yuma seemed about to punch Kaito. Even more amused that Kaito didnt even flinch when Yuma grabbed his collar. For that matter, V was unfazed in episode 50 when Kaito grabbed his collar. Apparently it's significantly less threatening than intended.

I did say the writers dont think like that. To them, Yuma only has Number 39. But if a good, non-redundant writer had a ton of Numbers at Yuma's disposal, it'd be incredibly unfair to give him +15 right before the final battle.[/quote]

Well that's the passionate side of Yuma that seems to be one of his good points. For him to care about Droite who he barely knows is... him. Kaito not flinching was also a good little touch.

Sorry, missed that bit.

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In episode 23, Kaito made a point of teling Astral he doesn't have parents or anything like that, only Haruto. Dr. Faker probably had little, if any, family contact, and so Kaito bonded with Haruto and no one else. However, I note he briefly seemed distressed about Droite, but then dismissed it coldly. His shell seems to be a way to keep in control, especially in the middle of a significant Duel. Last time he showed intense emotion, III and IV nearly slaughtered him in the Duel.

Interestingly, did anyone notice V only had 4000 LP? He was last seen with 4600 and considering his reaction to losing even 400 LP, I wonder why he got reduced.

I also noticed both unsubbed and subbed that Yuma only mentioned Tron as III and V's father. Evidently, IV doesn't exist in Yuma's mind anymore. And yes, Yuma has to know that IV's related to III.
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I guess that's one way to explain it. *grumbles about how Kaito better start caring once V is dealt with*

Where is Droite now is what I want to know? Surely Yuma didn't just leave her like that in the jungle?

Oh wait, this is Yuma.

Yes, did notice that about IV. Yep, Yuma's still an idiot.

[evilfusion]

The more I consider it, the more I'm sure there has to be WAY more to the Tron family conflict with Dr. Faker. Mostly from dialogue with III and IV.

- IV got super snappy when III wondered if showing Kaito Haruto's pain was too much, IV justifying it by saying something about that they've suffered a great deal.
- III is greatly upset about his family memories, particularly the happy life they used to have.
- In his Duel with Yuma, before his transformation, III sorrowfully made remarks about how lonely and sad he felt when he didnt have others to make him feel better (or something like that), and then something about how he finally got his family back, but it was completely ruined. What I wonder is, what the hell happened to his family, ASIDE from the Tron situation? That may be a big deal, but the family has clearly suffered more than that. Something that would upset III enough to do things against his kinder personality in pursuit of his family's well-being, and made IV a complete psychopath.

[~British Soul~]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1337185139' post='5940521']
Interestingly, did anyone notice V only had 4000 LP? He was last seen with 4600 and considering his reaction to losing even 400 LP, I wonder why he got reduced.
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That is a good question, i thought players would start with the Life Points they had after the Duel Coaster like Droite who had 9000 LP before her duel with Tron. I don't understand why V would start with less LP than what he finished, i don't understand why they did that

heck i would call the same BS if Yuma started with more than 2200 LP for his duel against Gauche

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Trudat, Tron's probably from the Balian World.

Well, of course one thing Faker did to Tron, or at least one thing the Tron Family believes did to themselves, is nearly killing their beloved father.

Also, my theory still doesn't solve out the codename problem. One possibility is that these codenames have something to do with Tron's ability to steal minds. Also, Tron could be just mind-controlling them in a way that seems subconscious to the "sons".

[evilfusion]

Although Shark knows IV as "IV", and that was prior to him getting the crest (the brief flashback in episode 26 shows IV with a normal D-Gazer. He has no qualms about using the tattoo gazer otherwise). Then again, Gauche also used a regular D-Gazer prior to the Duel with Yuma.

[Bringerofcake]

[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1337205242' post='5940712']
Trudat, Tron's probably from the Balian World.

Well, of course one thing Faker did to Tron, or at least one thing the Tron Family believes did to themselves, is nearly killing their beloved father.

Also, my theory still doesn't solve out the codename problem. One possibility is that these codenames have something to do with Tron's ability to steal minds. Also, Tron could be just mind-controlling them in a way that seems subconscious to the "sons".
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gogo conjecture

I'm going to guess that the crests have something to do with the mind-control. The family's number names could be symbolic of when they were taken (i.e. III was crest'd before IV, and so on)
But then, who were I and II?

[Jord200]

[quote name='Bringerofcake' timestamp='1337208928' post='5940759']
gogo conjecture

I'm going to guess that the crests have something to do with the mind-control. The family's number names could be symbolic of when they were taken (i.e. III was crest'd before IV, and so on)
But then, who were I and II?
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Its a long shot, but Yuma's parents. They were brainwashed by Tron and will duel Yuma. As for Yuma's Numbers, I predict Yuma will use Revise against Shark. As a result of Yuma vs Chaos Number 32, Revise will FINALLY get a Chaos form. When Yuma and Kaito duel for the final time, they will probably spam Numbers left and right.