Magnet Soldier Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Too many Religions for now is one point. Giratina we could probably fit as the god of Yureism, but Master would have to decide that. It's his Religion. Psychic types have Psychic/Mystical powers that seem Legendary, AKA, Religion(Same with Yureism and Ghosts.) Dialga and Palkia I think we discussed, but I cant remember what we said, and Zekrom/Reshiram are both new, and none of us creators liked them much(As well as the fact they dont actually represent much more than Light and Dark, which is an Extremely overused topic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naimo Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Well, I actually think Reshiram's gorgeous (yeah, I fell in love with it from the first moment I saw the artwork), but as Magnet Soldier said, they're too new. If we had been making this several months after Black and White, then I would have wanted them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Zekrom/Reshiram represent Yin and Yang respectively. Kyurem (the ice/dragon one) represents the absence of Yin and Yang. So no, it's not just 'light and dark'. That's why I said there's a lot to work with there. :P Psychic powers or not, Groudon/Kyogre shaped the [i]freaking world[/i]. All Ho-Oh/Lugia did was kill some bad guys, manage the weather, and called it a day. Sure, Ho-Oh made the sun, I guess that's enough to warrant a religion on him, but not Groudon/Kyogre? That's my main problem. I can understand you guys thinking there's enough religions already but hey, the more the merrier. Adds some backstory, not so difficult to write, fun to do, and there's always the chance of someone converting to another religion/ideology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiksilver Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 [quote name='Hydra of Legend' timestamp='1300924996' post='5092496'] Give him time, he'll have a nickname for everyone there. He might have difficulty with Cage though- he can't call him [i]shades[/i], because, well, shades are awesome. Sam's probably going to end up being 'Kid' forever, I assume to his chagrin. [/quote] You assume correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 [quote name='Rarity' timestamp='1300990912' post='5093687'] Reshiram/Zekrom represent Yin and Yang respectively. [/quote] Opposite way around, actually. Yang is "Bright, Masculine Principal", or "The Sunward side of a Slope" and is represented by the color white- presumably, that would mean it corresponds to Reshiram rather than Zekrom. And yes, if you were wondering, traditional taoist philosophy did associate feminine qualities with darkness for some reason. But yeah, the Tao Dragons do have more in them for a religion than any of the others. I just assume that the Hoenn/Unova religions exist, but are just too uncommon in Kanto for any of the player characters to know much about them at this time. [i]Btw, Reshiram and Zekrom have awesome designs and you're all horrible people for not liking them.[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 [quote name='Hydra of Legend' timestamp='1301005051' post='5094260'] Opposite way around, actually. Yang is "Bright, Masculine Principal", or "The Sunward side of a Slope" and is represented by the color white- presumably, that would mean it corresponds to Reshiram rather than Zekrom. [/quote] No :P Why do you think Zekrom or 'Yin' is in Pokemon [i]White[/i]? Same reason for why Reshiram is in Pokemon Black. Their coloration throws you off is all. Yang is often associated (correct me if I'm wrong) with Fire, or being out going, generally happy or aggressive. Yin is more associated with something cold or calculating. (Reshiram is Dragon/Fire.) The legendaries were actually well though out for Black/White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 But that could go either way. Yes, fire is outgoing and generally construed as positive- however, lightning and electricity is generally seen in the same light. Though now that I think about it, storms are generally seen as an element of Yin -as clouds blot out the sun- though it I recall, lightning itself is Yang? It's difficult to tell, really, since the boundaries between Yin and Yang aren't totally defined (which is arguably the point) and like all old religions/philosophies, it contradicts itself often to make a point. But yeah, I see what you're arguing. You know, this implies one of the two is female; whichever represents Yin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 [quote name='Hydra of Legend' timestamp='1301006545' post='5094343'] But that could go either way. Yes, fire is outgoing and generally construed as positive- however, lightning and electricity is generally seen in the same light. Though now that I think about it, storms are generally seen as an element of Yin -as clouds blot out the sun- though it I recall, lightning itself is Yang? It's difficult to tell, really, since the boundaries between Yin and Yang aren't totally defined (which is arguably the point) and like all old religions/philosophies, it contradicts itself often to make a point. But yeah, I see what you're arguing. You know, this implies one of the two is female; whichever represents Yin. [/quote] Lightning is middle ground I suppose. It's a bit of Yang, yet comes from a source of Yin. But really, dark storm clouds and a mechanical looking body is more Yin than flamboyant feathers and fire. Female? Probably Zekrom. Just to throw off the fanbase. Oh and fun fact, Zekrom/Reshiram were once one being, and Kyurem was supposedly the body of said being. Hence why it represents the absence of Yin and Yang, and also why it represents ice. (Cold corpse, absence of heat, so on so forth.) So yeah, there's a lot of fun things with the Unova legendary, and it was quite well thought out compared to just Ground/Water/Sky Time/Space so on so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Red Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 We were discussing all of those but we decided not to put in those as religions atm. We have several reasons for it, all of them won't be discussed as doing so will ruin things for the future. I was considering Giratina as some high deity for Yureism but decided against it as I didn't want them to have a supreme deity. They worship all ghost pokémon and treat all ghost pokémon as equal deities. Giratina is surely worshipped, but not moreso than a Shuppet. Kyogre and Groudon have religions but they are almost completely based in Hoenn and thus we decided against putting it in. We thought we had enough religions anyways and there will be add ons to that section as the RP goes on. We simply didn't add some as we didn't want characters to be able to have those ideologies. Reshiram and Zekrom were discussed a little, but they are all too new and personally I dislike all legendaries from that generation so I didn't want to go near them, especially when I feel that I know far too little about pretty much all Unova pokémon anyways. I hope this answers your questions and concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 [quote name='Master Red' timestamp='1301046801' post='5095358'] Reshiram and Zekrom were discussed a little, but they are all too new and personally I dislike all legendaries from that generation so I didn't want to go near them, especially when I feel that I know far too little about pretty much all Unova pokémon anyways. [/quote] Personal dislike isn't a valid reason for discrimination, especially when the official canon thusfar pretty much agrees they're the most clearcut religious figures Pokemon got since Arceus. I'm not really making an issue of it since it doesn't make sense for Blaine to be anything but a Moltres-Worshiper, but ya-know, there's so much to work with when it comes to a Taoist religion. It certainly makes a lot more sense than that random psychic worship religion that was put there (Btw, was it intended as a reference to scientology? I got a little of that impresson on it). So I'd definitely leave it open as an option, even if it's just backstory flavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 @Red: Yeah, I was just wondering why the Religion section was -relatively- bare in comparison with some other major legendaries. Pokemon mythos has always been a favorite topic of mine, so I had to nitpick a bit. The main reason I mentioned Groudon fyi, was because it seemed extremely likely at one point that Cage would covert to that; And of course, just the fact that Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza are powerful enough to warrant it. EDIT: -looks at IC- Me: Oh, new post from Magnet Soldier. Maybe I'll finally get an answer to that list. -reads post- Me: Sweet, the list! -reads list- List: NO BRONZOR Me: FFFFFFFF- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 I'm surprised they're even offering Feebas- Bronzor might be a BIT much to ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Actually, Bronzor can be found in Seafoam. Which is why I was hoping for him to make an appearance. Although I could probably settle for a Shelder, or risk a Corsweet. :U It's funner not getting what you want anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Hm. Well, Blaine's going to get a Magikarp at some point, though it'll probably be from the Cinnabar Shores rather than Seafoam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 [s] Magikarp is overrated. [/s] I'm pretty sure it is not unwise to have at least one water Pokemon. What if our ship sinks! D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 It's either Gyarados or Octillery. Whatever Water-type Blaine gets (which is rather necessary, given he lives on an island) has to be able to learn at least [i]one[/i] powerful fire-type move. Actually, an Octillery would be pretty badass, now that I think about it. Only problem is the high level needed for evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Gyarados is giant chinese-esque dragon-like fish, Octillery is an octopus-like creature physically capable of providing artillery fire, not to mention being able to bash skulls. (seriously, have you seen it's movepool? holy crap.) ...However if Gyarados could fly... Speaking of which, someone care to explain to me how a Remoraid evolves into an Octillery? That's the one line I just don't get. I can understand why Gyarados is Water/Flying at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Nevermind, Remoraid evolves at 25. I thought it was 40 for some reason. Remoraid's the 'Jet' pokemon. It's name is a portmanteau of Remoria and 'Raid', implying that it's a war context- I would assume torpedo. Octillery, on the other hand, is the aqua artillery pokemon, probably comparable to a submarine. It's a stretch, but it does kinda work. Why the animals are a fish and an octapus however, I couldn't tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnet Soldier Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 At first I thought Remoraid evolved into Mantine. Y'know, because of the pic of Mantine. It wasn't until my Remoraid evolved on Crystal that I realised that, sadly, it was getting a small octopus thing instead of a giant fish thing with wings. And I've refused to catch pokémon at Seafoam, due to the fact that I have two Pokémon already. Hydra? You have two already aswell so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naimo Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 What's surprising about Feebas being offered? It's basically a sort of counterpart to Magikarp/Gyarados. And besides, Regiana's gonna be catching one herself (seeing as there are no other Pokemon on that list that would take her fancy). And as for the religion, I've decided to make a Reshiram/Zekrom. Not sure what we're going to do with Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Feebas, is a bloody rare pokemon to be frank. She would have to work immensely hard to find one. Also, Feebas is the only Pokemon with two methods of evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naimo Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 According to Bulbapedia, the likelihood of catching a Feebas is the same as the likelihood of catching a Magikarp. To be honest, can we really use the Beauty method to evolve Feebas? It seems a bit unlikely imo; I mean, how can our characters judge how high its Beauty condition is? The Prism Scale method feels far more possible to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 That brings up the question Rarity and I had been discussing. How exactly does trade based evolution work? I mean, it makes very little sense, except the item based ones, as the energy generated by the trade machine probably harmonizes with the items. But, for me, how exactly will I get my Gengar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naimo Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 That's a point that was overlooked actually, and one that we need to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnet Soldier Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 I think we should create levels they evolve at. Gengar = 45 - 50? At night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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