Arctic_Circle34 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Okay, I want to know something. What is the difference between summoning Nomi monsters from your Deck and summoning Nomi monsters from your Graveyard. For example, Level Up! can let you Special Summon a Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8 ignoring his summoning conditions and it works. But when a card like Level Modulation (And eventually Dark Flat Top) is activated and you target a Horus LV8 in the Graveyard, it has to have been summoned properly. Quite frankly, the only difference from summoning from the Graveyard and Deck is that the monster is targeted, but in a way, that shouldn't make things any different. Whether a monster is Special Summoned from the Graveyard or Deck, if it's Summoning Condition is ignored, it's ignored. But people still say that monster has to be summoned properly to summon it. What part of the term "Ignoring it's Summoning Condition" do they not understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 because Level Up says it special summons from your hand or deck, and that is the only thing it specifies. It doesn't say anywhere that you can SS it from teh Graveyard. I'm sure with Dark Flattop you won't need to "special summon it properly". So you can, just you won't be able to with Monster Reborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 In order to Special Summon a Nomi (or Semi-Nomi) from your Graveyard or RFG zone, it needs to have been properly Summoned first by the method on the card. The difference between a Nomi (like Horus and a Semi-Nomi (like Dark Necrofear) is the wording. A Nomi wil usually say: "This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card [b]cannot[/b] be Special Summoned except by...". A Semi-Nomi will say "This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card [b]can only[/b] be Special Summoned by..." A Semi-Nomi can be Special Summoned from the Graveyard or RFG zone by any means, so long as it was properly Summoned first. A Nomi cannot be Special Summoned, [u]period[/u], unless it was properly Summoned [b]AND[/b] you ignore the Summoning Conditions. Level Up! However, states you can Special Summon from the hand or deck and Ignore the Summoning Conditions. While in the hand or deck, it is impossible for a Nomi or Semi-Nomi to be treated as properly Special Summoned, because the "memory" of being properly Summoned is "reset" when it returns to the hand or deck. Therefore, it is valid to "Ignore the Summoning Conditions" when Summoning from the hand or deck. There are very few cards that exist that ignore Summoning Conditions AND Special Summon from the hand or deck. It should be noted that, unless specifically stated, Fusions and Synchros may be Special Summoned from the Extra Deck by alternate means, but they follow the Nomi/Semi-Nomi rule in regards to Summoning from Graveyard or RFG zone. Level Modulation lets you Ignore Summoning Conditions, but unless the monster was properly Summoned, you can't Special Summon Horus LV 8, because Horus 8 is a Nomi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrathos Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 There isn't an explanation other than that's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 [quote name='Arctic_Circle34' timestamp='1296794087' post='4986279'] What part of the term "Ignoring it's Summoning Condition" do they not understand? [/quote] What part of the term "Ignoring its Summoning Conditions" do you understand? >_> Summon Conditions are written on the cards themselves. Only those can be ignored when "Ignoring The Summoning Conditions". A Nomi/Semi-Nomi Monster cannot be Special Summoned by from the Graveyard/Remove From Game unless it was Special Summoned properly first is a GAME MECHANIC and part if Yugioh itself. It is not a Summon Condition at all and it can't just be "ignored". Cards in the Hand or Deck do not follow that Game Mechanic because cards in the Hand or Deck cannot be considered to have been Special Summoned properly. They can't have been considered Summoned at all if they're in the Hand or Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arctic_Circle34 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 [quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1296811876' post='4986588'] What part of the term "Ignoring its Summoning Conditions" do you understand? >_> Summon Conditions are written on the cards themselves. Only those can be ignored when "Ignoring The Summoning Conditions". A Nomi/Semi-Nomi Monster cannot be Special Summoned by from the Graveyard/Remove From Game unless it was Special Summoned properly first is a GAME MECHANIC and part if Yugioh itself. It is not a Summon Condition at all and it can't just be "ignored". Cards in the Hand or Deck do not follow that Game Mechanic because cards in the Hand or Deck cannot be considered to have been Special Summoned properly. They can't have been considered Summoned at all if they're in the Hand or Deck. [/quote] We're just gonna go say it's a BKSS ruling I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 [quote name='Arctic_Circle34' timestamp='1296970238' post='4991944'] We're just gonna go say it's a BKSS ruling I guess. [/quote] Well, you're gonna say that, and I will say you're wrong To me, BKSS is basically an exception of a rule out of all understood rulings. Cards who's rulings do not make sense considering other cards whose effects that work the same but are ruled differently, or cards who's rulings conflict with other rulings. This isn't one of them. Cards like "Null and Void" and "Warrior of Atlantis" are some examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 It's not a BKSS. It's an actual mechanic, and I thought I summed it up pretty nicely. To Special Summon a Nomi from the RFG Zone or the Graveyard, it has to have 1) Been Special Summoned properly. 2) The card Summoning it must "Ignore the Summoning Conditions". If both are not fulfilled, it's not legal. The only way it's a BKSS is if they actually said Dark Flat can SS a SKYFIRE without Summoning it properly first, because it contradicts all the other Nomi/Semi-Nomi rulings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiithepeople Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1296971861' post='4992016'] The only way it's a BKSS is if they actually said Dark Flat can SS a SKYFIRE without Summoning it properly first, because it contradicts all the other Nomi/Semi-Nomi rulings. [/quote] They could always word it as "ignoring all Summoning conditions", though I doubt that would change anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 [quote name='wiithepeople' timestamp='1296982672' post='4992367'] They could always word it as "ignoring all Summoning conditions", though I doubt that would change anything [/quote] It's still not a Summoning Condition =/ You cannot use "Summoning Condition" to include "summoning a nomi/semi-nomi from the Graveyard/RFG that hasn't been properly summoned". Changing "Any" to "All" wouldn't change that. Its not impossible to do, but I doubt they'll do something like that >< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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