Madsen Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 [b]- No generated items. This includes Member Cards, Banners, etc, and extends to items made with MSE.[/b] This I fully support. [b]- No inverts. (this is a 5 second job, and is pointless)[/b] Very rarely there are people without any kind of image editing software, but there are. So, instead of this forbidding inverts, I would just make them fully free. And since I am at 5 sec jobs, aren't things like filters from gimp the same? Whatever, I am suggesting that inverts are just free. [b]- No Picture finding shops, people can find their own pictures.[/b] This I fully support. [b]- From 14/4/09 OCG fixes cannot be offered in shops, this only applies to shops posted after this date.[/b] Well this is kind of unfair to be honest. Why let older shops do them but not never ones? Heck at the theme of OCG fixing, why was it ever even used in shops?! There is a custom card section for advice and fixes, and isn't it kind of cheating to get a fix before a contest? [b]- All items must be graphics based. This means no 'zoos' or other related items from 13/10/2009, all shops posted with this after this date will be locked on sight.[/b] Zoo's? And also again, why can't never shops do this when older ones can? [b]- No trading cards will be allowed in shops after 9/8/2010.[/b] What about Pokemon cards? YCM once had a period where everybody wanted custom made cards which were offered in many shops after a tut by JG I think. [b]- PSDs, Templates cannot be sold in shops and must be in Tutorials. [/b] Must be sold in Tutorials or what? When people buy a tag in a shop they get full rights for it. So those are my points. Object if you will, but just throwing this around for some mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 - Point taken on Inverts. - Only one shop currently offers OCG fixes and that's all. And that shop has been around ages. - On Zoos, there are no zoos currently in any shops, so point taken. - I get the point on Pokemon Cards, but they can be made with generators too. I should say 'collectable' cards cannot be allowed. - Very valid point, but very few shops offer rites for Tags, I can allow if a tag was sold alongside the PSD, but if its PSD only keep that to tutorials/resources. Templates I'll let stay in tutorials/resources. We can use this topic to discuss amendments to the rules if people want to, if gives me a guide on what the people feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 This may sound a bit harsh/unfair, but I think there should be a certain amount of times one can bump a shop without orders until it closes. Hiring of workers should be done via PM to keep shops looking clean and professional. ^Just my opinions after scanning through the section^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsen Posted January 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Professional? LZ, are you hearing yourself? Also, I have sometime seen customers attacking workers and rushing them. That should be forbidden, because if they are in such a rush they should go find another shop. Also, other shop owners attacking other shop owners in the shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Both very valid points. @ LZ - That is a very good point members need to realize when a shop is dead. Suggestion of times? Makes sense I suppose, for the 2nd suggestion. I'm trying to remember if there is a 2nd graphics mod now.... @ Blesh Will add both of them, when I get around to making new rules. I have my notepad next to me =D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 I couldn't think of another way to put it. DX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Aw bless. Here is what I have so far. (I might move some around in order) - No generated items, e.g items made with mybannermaker, YCMaker and MSE. - Inverts must be free. Alongside very simple filter, recolour and sticker additions. - No OCG fixes. - All items must be graphical. - Trading cards for collectable purposes cannot be sold. - Cards made with templates where the template has been made on YCM must have permission from the template creator to sell, and permission to sell for points. - PSDs/XCFs can only be sold in shops alongside the items they were made for. PSDs/XCFs sold seperately must be sold in tutorials/resources. - Templates cannot be sold in shops and must be sold in tutorials/resources. - Shops can only bump X times this is to prevent shops constantly being revived by the shop owner, even though there is no interest from members. - Hiring must be done via PM however an advertisement for workers/skills required can be posted in the shop title or shop topic. - Customers must not rush workers, any member seeming to 'harass' workers will receive a 20% warning. And the shop owner has a right to ban you from the shop. - Shop owners MUST not put down another members shop or tell members to go their shop instead. A 20% warning will be given. - Members must not place orders when shop owners have said no more orders, a shop owner has a right to report the member. A 20% warning will be given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 How about x=7? Seems like a fair number of times one can bump. This doesn't have to be a rule, but maybe a note. "Shop workers are encouraged to save psds/xcfs of their work in the event of a ripping debate." This doesn't really happen on YCM but I have seen it happen elsewhere. I've also seen ripping of sigs and such made on YCM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I can make that a rule in showcase instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Ok. I think that's about all I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsen Posted January 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 [quote name='Yin' timestamp='1296385993' post='4973580'] I can make that a rule in showcase instead. [/quote] That should be an all Graphic Design section rule, to be honest. And holy I love how my home section has such wonderful mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Very valid point, and annoyingly I left my notepad upstairs... Do I take that as a compliment? Sometimes its hard to understand online stuff (maybe its just me). I try to make things as good as possible for the members posting in my section and I'm always willing to listen to what members have to say regarding rules. After all they're the people who really use it, I just glimpse in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsen Posted January 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 [quote name='Yin' timestamp='1296418667' post='4974570'] Very valid point, and annoyingly I left my notepad upstairs... Do I take that as a compliment? Sometimes its hard to understand online stuff (maybe its just me). I try to make things as good as possible for the members posting in my section and I'm always willing to listen to what members have to say regarding rules. After all they're the people who really use it, I just glimpse in. [/quote] Yes. Yes you do. Because you are the only active Graphic Design mod. And are awesome. But back to topic, I don't think that keeping the topic clean should be a rule, LZ. Let the owner do what they want with the looks of the shop. Also something happening very often lately: misleading titles. Advertising a quality you cannot supply should not be allowed. Some people are in such denial that they are bad at something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I have cracked down on that a few times, I should add that as a rule, that if I find your title to be misleading I WILL change it. So cracking down on use of words similar to Cheap, and HQ, when they're obviously not. I moaned at a member because his title said he has lots of items, I nagged him, but he still has very few, but it was better than 3 items. Yea, if they don't keep it clean and then don't get customers it's their own fault. Aw thank you, I try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 However, when a shop is cluttered the workers are more likely to miss/skip and order...it's more of a preventative thing tbh. Also I used clean in regards to workers asking to join in the thread, because 2-3 pages of deciding if somebody is going to work is annoying in many aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I have something to add. Customers should only order an item, if said item is going to be used. I have seen numerous times items being ordered for the sake of being ordered. Non-gfx orientated customers do not realize how much effort we workers put into each item. i do not know how this issue can be resolved at this moment. But, i do not think this should go by unnoticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [s]Are you talking about me? I'm currently waiting for YCMembers brawl to end before I overhaul my sig. =[[/s] Not really a way to enforce it.....It'd probably just end up being a shop by shop decision. I use to run a shop and hated it, too. I even confronted a member once, he linked me to another forum he was using them on. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1296438826' post='4975434'] Are you talking about me? I'm currently waiting for YCMembers brawl to end before I overhaul my sig. =[ [/quote] As i said before, it was not directed toward you. It is just, the past few days i've seen this happen alot. Workers do not have the time to fulfill EVERY order, so why should one member get 3 orders, and not use them. When another member may get nothing at all, with intentions of using the item. Idk about you guys, but it makes no sense to me. And something should be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azphreal Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='Yin' timestamp='1296324737' post='4971532'] - Inverts must be free. [b]Alongside very simple filter, recolour and sticker additions.[/b][/quote] When will this be implemented? And will it apply to all shops or just new ones? [quote name='Yin' timestamp='1296324737' post='4971532'] - Customers must not rush workers, any member seeming to 'harass' workers will receive a 20% warning. And the shop owner has a right to ban you from the shop. - Shop owners MUST not put down another members shop or tell members to go their shop instead. A 20% warning will be given. - Members must not place orders when shop owners have said no more orders, a shop owner has a right to report the member. A 20% warning will be given. [/quote] This I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='Phoenix19' timestamp='1296444811' post='4975710'] will it apply to all shops or just new ones? [/quote] All of course. It would not make any sense to apply it only to new shops. It would only cause unnecessary confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azphreal Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='NightWalker' timestamp='1296451187' post='4975976'] It would not make any sense to apply it only to new shops. [/quote] I was just thinking along the lines of the old OCG/invert rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 It'll apply to all shops. I'll apply them when I felt we (you guys and me) have ironed out all issues with the proposed rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='NightWalker' timestamp='1296441285' post='4975539'] As i said before, it was not directed toward you. It is just, the past few days i've seen this happen alot. Workers do not have the time to fulfill EVERY order, so why should one member get 3 orders, and not use them. When another member may get nothing at all, with intentions of using the item. Idk about you guys, but it makes no sense to me. And something should be done. [/quote] I believe it would be up to the shop owner. If a member (who has done it) orders, the workers just refuse. Although wasting a GFXers time is a good point, some shop workers are just glad they get to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsen Posted January 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='NightWalker' timestamp='1296441285' post='4975539'] As i said before, it was not directed toward you. It is just, the past few days i've seen this happen alot. Workers do not have the time to fulfill EVERY order, so why should one member get 3 orders, and not use them. When another member may get nothing at all, with intentions of using the item. Idk about you guys, but it makes no sense to me. And something should be done. [/quote] I used to have many shops just to practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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