Lonk Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 It really is just a huge debate that will just lead to the creation of unneeded factions bent on proving their point. Now, these discussions are fine. Just do not take it too seriously please. Now for my Final Boss Music of the day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh5q1msCWYo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice. Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 You JUST got into Mega Man 9? You're pretty late. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 [quote name='Wind Sorcerer Vaati' timestamp='1297287788' post='4999860'] You JUST got into Mega Man 9? You're pretty late. xD [/quote] I've been into Mega Man 9 the entire time. I just got the game on Wii 2 days ago which is why I am showing Mega Man 9 music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I got into Mega Man music pretty late. Here's another debate to throw at you. Should any video game music, even stuff from the 80s, be considered "classical"? And by classical I obviously mean classical video game music. I'd say yes, because classical doesn't refer to overall time, just a span of time that video games existed. Back in the day, actual music progressed extremely slowly, which is why we call "old" music classical, even if it somewhat recent in the span of all music. Even mid 20th-century movies are called classical, and that wasn't too long ago. Because video game music is progressing so quickly (from 8-bit to Gusty Garden), anything that is not contemporary should be called classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I agree with that statement Dark. I used to think that 5th gen consoles were cutting edge and were NOT classic. But as time passed, they eventually became classic. Gamecube is on the road to becoming a classic system as well. As such, their music becomes classic. Gusty Garden Galaxy is already amazing. When the 9th gen systems come, it will technically be considered a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 It depends on the definition you use for the term "classic". "Classic", in my opinion, also means memorable, means [i]good[/i] VGM. You can't just go and call any bleep-bloop from the 80s or 90s "classic", just because it's old. You sometimes hear the word "Instant Classic", when a game (or in this case: a tune) instantly makes an impact in it's genre, so when using the term "classic", you can also refer to a game that was released yesterday, if it's already [i]that[/i] memorable. Admittedly, it's hard to imagine that with VGM, because it usually isn't that noticable, but it is possible. An example would be (again) "Still Alive" from Portal. The song is probably even more famous than the game, and it didn't take ages to make a classic out of it. Anyway, you also can't call any good VGM "classic". It needs to stand out, tunes that [i]create[/i] memories rather than just following them. Also, classic can be a term that everybody has to determine for themselves. I may think of Final Fantasy IX's "You're Not Alone" as an absolute classic, because I share memories with it, others may not even have heard about the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Pretty much. Classics are anything that have a huge impact in the world and will remain for generations to come. Look at how the basic over world theme from Super Mario Bros turned out. That simple melody is considered one of the greatest classics in VGM history (Presumably because it helped open the game that saved the U.S from the Video Game Crash of 1983). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Classic doesn't refer to JUST old or JUST good, it refers to both, in my opinion. Something that is old and good, like SMW's Overworld Theme. But that isn't what the debate is about. The debate is about if video games are old enough to have anything be considered classic. Movies are over sixty years old, so really old movies that were good are considered classics. Video games are maybe 25 years old ('85ish), so could you call music from 1985 [i]classic[/i]? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1297635883' post='5007360'] Classic doesn't refer to JUST old or JUST good, it refers to both, in my opinion. Something that is old and good, like SMW's Overworld Theme.[/quote] Debatable, but I think the "old" isn't really necessary, as stated above. [quote]But that isn't what the debate is about. The debate is about if video games are old enough to have anything be considered classic. Movies are over sixty years old, so really old movies that were good are considered classics. Video games are maybe 25 years old ('85ish), so could you call music from 1985 [i]classic[/i]?[/quote] Well, I guess you have to see it in relation the speed of development and their total life span. Anything that has to do with computers has developed rapidly in the last 25 years. The span of a generation is extremely short and will eventually become even shorter. A fast living medium like the video games evolves faster, thus can earlier be declared classic, if you ask me. If you compare a 1985 movie with a 2010 movie, and then compare a 1985 game and a 2010 game... I think you get the idea. The difference between those movies is barely noticable (aside from some better CG effects and maybe some 3D), while the difference between those 2 video games... [spoiler=1985][img]http://www.telegamez.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Pong.png[/img] (I know that Pong is older, but you get the idea)[/spoiler] [spoiler=2010][img]http://wisegamers.ch/images/346/alan_wake_pic.jpg[/img][/spoiler] My opinion is of course my opinion and is not necessarily yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Inception is not a classic movie, and no one will ever call it that- now, at least. Inception is a good movie, and sixty years from now, it'll be a classic movie. Yes, classic does imply that something is old, and being old is a requirement to being classic. Nothing new is classic because the definition of classic implies that it has been around for some time. I had the same argument, that since video games have been around for a lot less, older video games should become classic quicker. However, someone came up with the perfect counterargument. Let's say the first movie was released in 1920. In 1955, that movie wasn't considered classic. It was just an old movie, and not many movies came out between those two dates. But in 1980, that is when we first started calling that movie "classic". So even if video games haven't been around for that long, can we still call 'em classic? Also, is classic dependant on age in terms of the lifespan of videogames, or age in terms of progression? We all know that Tetris is "classic" music, in our eyes. But are we basing that off of the fact that Tetris is old or that Tetris music is bleeps and bloops while Gusty Garden is orchestrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headmaster Monokuma Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 In regards to the "lyrics in VGM" topic, I feel that if a song had lyrics, that doesn't automatically make it not video game music. "Still Alive" is a prime example, but I find that [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y35Q7xXmTUQ][i]The Virgin Child Makes Her Wish...[/i][/url] is the same in that right. Honestly, lyrics can do a lot for VGM. stfu I'm not too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I don't think Still Alive is video game music though, so you've done nothing to advance the topic. and yes you are too late :[b][/b]D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headmaster Monokuma Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 It's music. It originated from a video game. It's considered video game music to me. If someone like Beiber or what's-her-name-screw-up-the-national-anthem made a song for a video game, and it first appeared in that video game, it would be considered video game music to me. No need for a long argument honestly. I'm not in the mood, just wished to say that. No you, I'm not. The topic was still at the top of the page when I posted that. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 That's fine, but I believe there is a fine line between real music and video game music, the main distinction being that the former has lyrics and the latter does not. If someone is singing, even if the music originated in a video game, I classify it as real-life music. Also, this thread doesn't get many posts, so saying something was at the top of the page doesn't justify you continuing this argument. :[b][/b]D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1297644860' post='5007615'] Inception is not a classic movie, and no one will ever call it that- now, at least. Inception is a good movie, and sixty years from now, it'll be a classic movie. Yes, classic does imply that something is old, and being old is a requirement to being classic. Nothing new is classic because the definition of classic implies that it has been around for some time. I had the same argument, that since video games have been around for a lot less, older video games should become classic quicker. However, someone came up with the perfect counterargument. Let's say the first movie was released in 1920. In 1955, that movie wasn't considered classic. It was just an old movie, and not many movies came out between those two dates. But in 1980, that is when we first started calling that movie "classic". So even if video games haven't been around for that long, can we still call 'em classic? Also, is classic dependant on age in terms of the lifespan of videogames, or age in terms of progression? [b]We all know that Tetris is "classic" music, in our eyes. But are we basing that off of the fact that Tetris is old or that Tetris music is bleeps and bloops while Gusty Garden is orchestrated?[/b] [/quote] Just for kicks, do you actually know how old the most recognizable Tetris theme is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Define video game music. For me, it's "music in a video game." Rhythm based games don't count though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Personally, I consider video game music to be any kind of music that goes through a VGM synthesizer or created on a synthesizer to make it appropriate for video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Nonlyrical music in a video game. I've always been taught that the line between video game music and real-life music is lyrics. If I was singing Still Alive in a hallway, everyone's first reaction would be that this was some random-ass song I found on YouTube from the 1980s, not that it came from a video game's credits sequence. I'm not saying that popular opinion is right, but society holds it that lyrical music is not denoted as video game music, and that is the logic I will follow. Also, check my signature. The last theme was all I could find that was somewhat love-related... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0efd4pi4-M This could have been a better choice because the area is a place where couples get married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 [quote name='ChilledFlames' timestamp='1297729531' post='5009320'] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0efd4pi4-M This could have been a better choice because the area is a place where couples get married. [/quote] Marrymore never even crossed my mind. I only fully beat SMRPG once, and I beat Paper Mario thrice, so I thought of Paper Mario tracks way before SMRPG tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 @Dark - FALLIN' LOVE <3 YUS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrEqbQ4jFzA&playnext=1&list=PL8358F25788E4123C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Marrymore doesn't cross many players' minds. Most tracks in the game live in the shadow of Beware the Forest Mushrooms. But I still do like your line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 My queue list is almost set for Spring Break. If there are any more games one wants to add, just tell me. OKAY, SO GOING INTO MY IPOD IN ABOUT ONE MONTH IS... Tales of Symphonia Kirby 64 Pokemon Black/White Okami (I have to re-re-review the OST) Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective Okamiden Sonic Colors Epic Mickey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headmaster Monokuma Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1297819878' post='5011423'] My queue list is almost set for Spring Break. If there are any more games one wants to add, just tell me. OKAY, SO GOING INTO MY IPOD IN ABOUT ONE MONTH IS... Tales of Symphonia Kirby 64 Pokemon Black/White Okami (I have to re-re-review the OST) Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective Okamiden Sonic Colors Epic Mickey [/quote] Professor Layton. Any of them work, but each game has its own gem. Start with Diabolical Box if you're interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 nah imma leave that for latter If I am doing a franchise, I am doing it all at one time, which is why I have put Mario Party, Touhou, and Professor Layton off for so long... [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbr-_DlwIZY]Okami? 8-bit!? I jizzed...[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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