Tentacruel Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Halubaris Maphotika' timestamp='1296073183' post='4962867'] Its amazing how christians could easily prove the existance of god but choose to not use a certain argument... [/quote] And that would be.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 truthfully all they have to say is "God Made It" to almost every argument and they cant be proven wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Halubaris Maphotika' timestamp='1296083386' post='4963396'] truthfully all they have to say is "God Made It" to almost every argument and they cant be proven wrong. [/quote] *Headdesk* They do. Or *we* do, if you prefer. You really think any atheist would agree to that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 obviously not but its truw they would have no way to argue against it its the "Exodia" of religious arguments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Halubaris Maphotika' timestamp='1296083791' post='4963417'] obviously not but its truw they would have no way to argue against it its the "Exodia" of religious arguments... [/quote] Sure they do, they just say, "No, god didn't because god does not exist. Science proves you wrong, so stop making a fool of yourself and leave society alone." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raine Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I have to state that I am Deist so I believe that God governs the world through Natural Laws, which is to say that I believe the world has been created though the Big Bang and the following phases of constriction that lead to star formation and onwards, Thus I believe everything can explained by science but it has been initiated by God. I find it a very balanced view that allows me my faith and my beliefs at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Grand★Raine' timestamp='1296009606' post='4961256'] Your logic would be irrefutable, if it were supported by more than an angst and a single POV. You are a not a moron just a person who views something and it is for that same reason your argument is flawed. A God existing as an idea or as a deity, is EXACTLY the same thing, or at least in the context of this god. Why are you atheist? If not, what are you? Why do you think that others are wrong? Why are those who see the Bible as true of less-than-average-intelligence? You are so narrow minded in your argument to not challenge your own standing and assaulting another's claim that until you evalutate and compare on a level beyond yourself, I have neither the time nor the inclination to even bother in challenging such an inadequate post . [/quote] There are a few things wrong with your post, as well. Instead of confronting my post and providing a reasonable answer, you decide to call me narrow-minded and inadequate. Hypocrite much? Maybe you should try responding to my post (or learn what sarcasm is, since there was a ton concentrated in the first paragraph) so we can keep a discussion going, instead of giving a vague post that contributes next to nothing. Second, you are trying to draw conclusions from insufficient evidence. "Why are those who see the Bible as true of less-than-average intelligence?" Okay, first of all, I must dissect that. I never said, nor implied (but you might have incorrectly inferred, but that is YOUR problem) that people who see the Bible as true are stupid BECAUSE they see the Bible as true. A lot of things in the Bible are possibly true, and I believe a few historical pieces in it. I would, however, say that it is quite likely that those who see the Bible as true may be of lower intelligence, and those of lower intelligence are possibly more likely to see the Bible as true. God existing as an idea or an entity is not the same thing. Anything can exist as an idea. Not everything can exist as a tangible entity. There is a line between them. I can think of any irrational, retarded object my brain can conjure up, and all must agree it exists as an idea. None would agree it exists as an object. When one is talking about a god, it is assumed that this god is presumed to be an entity. God DOES exist as an idea, that is irrefutable. We are discussing whether god exists as an ENTITY or not. Get that through your skull. [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1296070421' post='4962682'] Damn, forgot to inb4Dark. [/quote] inb4's have gotten quite cliche in the recent past. I, instead, suggest you refer to be in your post before I enter the thread, as opposed to using an old internet fad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFauKorean Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 i created such a flame war we're moving onto noahs ark btw so lets not get to crazy im expecting this to be more subtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Noah was pretty badass. Is that frivolous enough for you? [u]^___^[/u] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raine Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1296093959' post='4964110'] There are a few things wrong with your post, as well. Instead of confronting my post and providing a reasonable answer, you decide to call me narrow-minded and inadequate. Hypocrite much? Maybe you should try responding to my post (or learn what sarcasm is, since there was a ton concentrated in the first paragraph) so we can keep a discussion going, instead of giving a vague post that contributes next to nothing. Second, you are trying to draw conclusions from insufficient evidence. "Why are those who see the Bible as true of less-than-average intelligence?" Okay, first of all, I must dissect that. I never said, nor implied (but you might have incorrectly inferred, but that is YOUR problem) that people who see the Bible as true are stupid BECAUSE they see the Bible as true. A lot of things in the Bible are possibly true, and I believe a few historical pieces in it. I would, however, say that it is quite likely that those who see the Bible as true may be of lower intelligence, and those of lower intelligence are possibly more likely to see the Bible as true. God existing as an idea or an entity is not the same thing. Anything can exist as an idea. Not everything can exist as a tangible entity. There is a line between them. I can think of any irrational, retarded object my brain can conjure up, and all must agree it exists as an idea. None would agree it exists as an object. When one is talking about a god, it is assumed that this god is presumed to be an entity. God DOES exist as an idea, that is irrefutable. We are discussing whether god exists as an ENTITY or not. Get that through your skull. inb4's have gotten quite cliche in the recent past. I, instead, suggest you refer to be in your post before I enter the thread, as opposed to using an old internet fad. [/quote] *reads* *sigh* Neither the time... nor the inclination. Are you capable of advanced thought or does your mind read like a textbook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFauKorean Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1296096139' post='4964210'] Noah was pretty badass. Is that frivolous enough for you? [u]^___^[/u] [/quote] thank you for a short subtle post altough insight is very welcome i appreciate you knowing when its not worth it to keep trollin id hug you but your not here so ill give you a rep instead *btw dont be afraid to insight just dont argue with someone when they critisize you* i usually just ignore those things =D[quote name='Grand★Raine' timestamp='1296100013' post='4964391'] *reads* *sigh* Neither the time... nor the inclination. Are you capable of advanced thought or does your mind read like a textbook? [/quote] thank you for giving up i know you're very strong to your ideals but lets move on shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I guess it's time I put my opinion on here. I'm not going to sit here and say that what I say is right, but I have one arguement that stands above all others I beleive. The bible is only treated as a holy book because it says it's the holy book. JM-1 God-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFauKorean Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Justice Master' timestamp='1296103677' post='4964577'] I guess it's time I put my opinion on here. I'm not going to sit here and say that what I say is right, but I have one arguement that stands above all others I beleive. The bible is only treated as a holy book because it says it's the holy book. JM-1 God-0 [/quote] short sweet zen love the opinion but i still urge you to never be afraid to piss off someone else by going againts their opinions we just have to conrtol ourselves thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I was trying to prove that I don't have to disprove everything I can by going into a long paragraph. All I have to do is use the book they praise as proof. It defeats itself in the end, and if I wanted to really annoy people I could list off ten things that disprove the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFauKorean Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Justice Master' timestamp='1296104567' post='4964615'] I was trying to prove that I don't have to disprove everything I can by going into a long paragraph. All I have to do is use the book they praise as proof. It defeats itself in the end, and if I wanted to really annoy people I could list off ten things that disprove the bible. [/quote] XD best person to post on this so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raine Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 The story of Noah is a representation to the wrath of god, a noticeable theme of this story is that God acts in a surprisingly human manner. He is furious at humanity, he regrets the destruction of humanity, then he seals himself with a promise. These emotions and actions taken by God are a sign of his imperfection, this is one of the most flawed in proving the existence of a God because he acts as though he has emotions and takes irrational decisions which would have been defendable only the fact that he regretted the decision is what made God VERY human in appearance. Its this relation to Humanity and God that I find most distressing in the story of Noah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFauKorean Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Grand★Raine' timestamp='1296105383' post='4964643'] The story of Noah is a representation to the wrath of god, a noticeable theme of this story is that God acts in a surprisingly human manner. He is furious at humanity, he regrets the destruction of humanity, then he seals himself with a promise. These emotions and actions taken by God are a sign of his imperfection, this is one of the most flawed in proving the existence of a God because he acts as though he has emotions and takes irrational decisions which would have been defendable only the fact that he regretted the decision is what made God VERY human in appearance. Its this relation to Humanity and God that I find most distressing in the story of Noah. [/quote] you opinion were used in my thesis a while back yes i beleive this to be true man created... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Grand★Raine' timestamp='1296105383' post='4964643'] The story of Noah is a representation to the wrath of god, a noticeable theme of this story is that God acts in a surprisingly human manner. He is furious at humanity, he regrets the destruction of humanity, then he seals himself with a promise. These emotions and actions taken by God are a sign of his imperfection, this is one of the most flawed in proving the existence of a God because he acts as though he has emotions and takes irrational decisions which would have been defendable only the fact that he regretted the decision is what made God VERY human in appearance. Its this relation to Humanity and God that I find most distressing in the story of Noah. [/quote] Did it ever occur to you maybe god acts very human-like because he was created by humans. I mean if I was deity and gave a message to some guys to write down all this crap in a 1000+ page book, wouldn't I want to seem all knowing and powerful, you know, [i]godly[/i]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFauKorean Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Justice Master' timestamp='1296105811' post='4964658'] Did it ever occur to you maybe god acts very human-like because he was created by humans. I mean if I was deity and gave a message to some guys to write down all this crap in a 1000+ page book, wouldn't I want to seem all knowing and powerful, you know, [i]godly[/i]. [/quote] XD you just reworded me i think thats what he was trying to prove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 And you'd think that if God really was all-powerful he'd write some fireworks in the sky telling me that I'm going to hell. D': [quote name='Grand★Raine' timestamp='1296100013' post='4964391'] *reads* *sigh* Neither the time... nor the inclination. Are you capable of advanced thought or does your mind read like a textbook? [/quote] So you are really just avoiding a conversation because you cannot think of a legitimate response to my post. I truly understand, do not fret about it. So thus we will drop the conversation altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Apocryphal Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Grand★Raine' timestamp='1296105383' post='4964643'] The story of Noah is a representation to the wrath of god, a noticeable theme of this story is that God acts in a surprisingly human manner. He is furious at humanity, he regrets the destruction of humanity, then he seals himself with a promise...[/quote] God sent the flood to rid the world of sin. He promised to never flood the world again. That's why you see a rainbow- the representation of that promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raine Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Future Paradise' timestamp='1296163210' post='4965804'] God sent the flood to rid the world of sin. He promised to never flood the world again. That's why you see a rainbow- the representation of that promise. [/quote] So. I'm not discussing his actions its the manner and reasoning of his actions that are flawed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 *Time for me to ake a fool out of myself* My theory: Noah was born from his mother who was a virgin this makes it that it was a "virgin birth", The bible claims that noah was chosen because he was "Righteous in his generation". Why would the bible say that. Evidence suggests that thousands of years ago are skeletal system was much different and very primitive if I must say. Stories claim that the mother of Noah found herself pregnent when she was still a virgin, this raises many questions to me *Was this a case of Artificial Insimination* by the AA's were they displeased with the figure of the current human race and wanted to change it? Did they create a different form of DNA and inject it into the mother while she was sleeping? Did they start a flood to quote "Start all over"? When the bible says noah was "Righteous in his generation" did it mean that Noah was the future of the human race? And just to say I feel that collecting two of every animal is a very tedious job... What if the Ark ws actually a DNA bank stored with the DNA of two of every animal.... that is my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Halubaris Maphotika' timestamp='1296166560' post='4966027'] *Time for me to ake a fool out of myself* My theory: Noah was born from his mother who was a virgin this makes it that it was a "virgin birth", The bible claims that noah was chosen because he was "Righteous in his generation". Why would the bible say that. Evidence suggests that thousands of years ago are skeletal system was much different and very primitive if I must say. Stories claim that the mother of Noah found herself pregnent when she was still a virgin, this raises many questions to me *Was this a case of Artificial Insimination* by the AA's were they displeased with the figure of the current human race and wanted to change it? Did they create a different form of DNA and inject it into the mother while she was sleeping? Did they start a flood to quote "Start all over"? When the bible says noah was "Righteous in his generation" did it mean that Noah was the future of the human race? And just to say I feel that collecting two of every animal is a very tedious job... What if the Ark ws actually a DNA bank stored with the DNA of two of every animal.... that is my interpretation. [/quote] So god gave Noah technology to store DNA. I can't point out what's right with that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Im sorry the belief your reading doesnt even involve a "god" per say its an Ancient Aliens interpretation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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