TheComposer Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 A limit on the # of status's is meh, because people make a lot of good statuses. But the language needs to be more strictly watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='TheComposer' timestamp='1295814200' post='4954978'] A limit on the # of status's is meh, because people make a lot of good statuses. But the language needs to be more strictly watched. [/quote] That is one every 15 mins, but as it states another member has to report you. The chances are as long as your name isn't always on the main page then you'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ярополк Пономарёв Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Limits are not good. Links to YCM pages should be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote]I like that as a beginning, but what really needs to happen is that 1 mod and 1 mod only needs to be in charge of the status bar[/quote] I'm fairly sure as the Status Bar section isn't an "official" part of the board, but rather just a collection of information, you can't really have a moderator with any power over it. You can have a moderator, who will by default be able to issue boots to the head or whatever should it come to that, but as for 1 mod for just that section, I wouldn't count on it. I suppose it wouldn't be strange for one person, either already a mod or a member, to monitor the section. But since it changes so much from hour to hour, it might be extremely difficult to do. As for the rules: 1 and 2: Language, sexy material, is all pretty much a given but it does all ultimately need context. What sounds like an offensive joke to you might just honestly be a quote that fans of an anime or manga or movie or tv show would pick up in a heartbeat. 3: I don't think I've ever seen anyone post more then 4 statuses per hour. I have no qualms against this. 4: That's the biggest issue though. I don't know what is considered 'spam' on the status bar, and what isn't. Is "I'm borreeeddddd. =(" spam? What about "hey guys. i just started a new naruto RP site located here: google.com"? I mean, case-by-case basis and all, but we need to define what is meant by spam otherwise the reports and judgment calls you get from one mod can vary from what you get from other mods. 5: We can also take away status update permissions too... I think. (once again, never tried it.) 6: Some mods may not be on at the time, or for a long time. Your best bet would be to report them. (As in, report their profile) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Pika pretty much hit the flaws in even the best plan. Basically, it all comes down to "We need to decide what is and is not spam." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1295814625' post='4954999'] Pika pretty much hit the flaws in even the best plan. Basically, it all comes down to "We need to decide what is and is not spam." [/quote] How do you decide if something on the forum isn't spam? By the comments it receives correct? If somebody post spam in an update and there is nothing but "Why are you spamming?" or "WTH is wrong with you." type comments then it's probably nothing more than a waste of time, AKA spam. We can also take a section from THE RULES thread. [quote name='THE RULES'] ""Spam" has many definitions and comes in many forms. On YCM, it is prohibited to consistently make short posts...flood any part of the board with threads and/or replies, "stalk" another member's threads and/or replies, make threads and/or replies identical or almost identical in nature to ones that already exist, and etc. If you are unsure, feel free to PM a member of staff and ask for clarification before you make your post.[/quote] As it stated and as I stated it is the mods call. But again if it happens every now and then it shouldn't be a problem, but if there is continuing spam or various amounts of PMs/reports then action should be taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1295814495' post='4954996'] I'm fairly sure as the Status Bar section isn't an "official" part of the board, but rather just a collection of information, you can't really have a moderator with any power over it. [/quote] http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/227371-status-feeds/ (Normal Members will not be able to access this link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 "It is prohibited to consistently make short posts" All status updates SHOULD be short posts, correct? It has a smaller character limit, right? "Flood any part of the board" That's hit by the "four per hour" rule. "Stalk another member" Already against the rules. "Make threads and/or replies identical" I guess this one... might just be something. If someone posts "I'm borrreedddd =(" 96 times a day (four every hour) that might get a bit annoying, but to my knowledge no one has done so. "Feel free to PM a member of the staff" The staff mostly doesn't use the status section, so is unaware of what kind of tone is or is not acceptable on the status thing. I see a bunch of people posting "YCM is NOT Facebook" but like... weren't the statuses officially supposed to be to make it like facebook? And if it's NOT facebook, and "facebook-y" stuff should be kept off, what SHOULD be put in it? "How do you decide if something on the forum isn't spam? By the comments it receives correct?" It depends on the forum. Anime talks about Anime. TCG talks about TCG. Movies talks about Movies. Fanfiction is all fanfictions. General is whatever isn't covered. But the status bar? They cover EVERYTHING. Ultimately taking a "just do what any member tells us to do, no questions asked" stance on the subject of status bar spam could lead to trouble. It's mentioned somewhere by someone that having every mod in charge of it could lead to varied results. RaichuHuman09 thinks linking to a rickroll is stupid and deserving of a +10 and a one week suspension. LimestoneArea thinks it's hilarious and doesn't think it should be modded. ToshNicey thinks a verbal warning will suffice. So imagine all those differences between the mods, but multiplied by every single other member of the board. [quote]I'm fairly sure as the Status Bar section isn't an "official" part of the board, but rather just a collection of information, you can't really have a moderator with any power over it. [/quote] Ah, if I may correct myself. I meant as in, it's an official subsection, and you couldn't make someone a "mod of the status area", since it's all just a collection of what other people say. If the board could somehow collect everyone's avatars and display them for some reason, you couldn't have an "avatar display area" moderator. The mod would have to be one that can mod over everyone (which is already every single other mod). ... Or at least I THINK there can't be a Status Bar section mod. But I've been proven wrong before. I suppose this is worth looking back to again with JoshIcy's post, but I would not want to impose new rules on a section I know little about. I'm fine with bossing around the people on TCG, since I've been there for so long and used it since I first came to the board, and over half my posts are in that section, but I don't feel as comfortable making rules for a section I never post in or look at, which is why I personally think the best form of action for here would be to toss it the "rules creation" task to those that actually care for it and have the biggest stake in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 FTW always uses the status bar, which is why if there is a status bar mod made, I say make it FTW, he is well known and respected, and he basically rules it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='TheComposer' timestamp='1295820315' post='4955354'] FTW always uses the status bar, which is why if there is a status bar mod made, I say make it FTW, he is well known and respected, and he basically rules it already. [/quote] Generally such sections (the status feed would fall under the same place as Q&A/Suggestions) are given to preexisting moderators only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smesh Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 So, Tyrantking :/ Is Yankee supervising it or not? I heard that somewhere but I'm not sure about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Tyrantking is virtually extinct (God, what a terrible pun), and Yankee logs on much too sporadically to be considered a viable solution, given the huge turnover of the status bar. We're discussing this in the mods forum; from my perspective this doesn't warrant a new staff member appointed, and since we can't have an official "Status Bar Mod", more than likely we'll be settling for "lower tolerance, same approach", with each mod handing out warnings and "preventing status feeds" to offenders. But if you have any more suggestions, please keep posting, they're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='MarbleZone' timestamp='1295822548' post='4955507'] More than likely we'll be settling for "lower tolerance, same approach", with each mod handing out warnings and "preventing status feeds" to offenders. [/quote] I don't really have a problem with this, but I would like to know what "lower tolerance" refers to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smesh Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Really any active mod could do it. But then again there are many new members that post "dragon cards" or something pointless as a response to the "What's on your mind?" question. Do they get warned? And it shouldn't be that hard to detect the difference between spam and just a stupid status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 @Smesh: That would only warrant a verbal warning unless it's continuous imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='Smesh' timestamp='1295822961' post='4955528'] Really any active mod could do it. But then again there are many new members that post "dragon cards" or something pointless as a response to the "What's on your mind?" question. Do they get warned? And it shouldn't be that hard to detect the difference between spam and just a stupid status. [/quote] But continuing to make a stupid status should be considered spam. Just like continuing to post stupid stuff on the boards. EDIT: Them ninjas be everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I'll say this right now. While I do have aspirations for Modship, I have neither the time nor the skill as or right now necessary to be a mod. As such, like JoshIcy said, a preexisting mod would be best. Without obtaining actual Mod power from YCMaker, I would have trouble enforcing the rules there should something bad happen. The chances of YCMaker making a mod position for the Status Bar are a snowball's chance in Hell at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 In all fairness, "What's on your mind" is a pretty pointless status to begin with. But since it promotes some sort of interactivity, encouraging people to share something, I wouldn't consider it spam. Like in each of our sections, spam warnings we hand out are always largely subjective and the warned member can always (and frequently does) PM the mod for clarification. The approach doesn't [i]have [/i]to be much different in the status bar, as spam warnings always have a degree of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Here's the current layout of the rules we've been working on; they're not absolutely final, but the end result will probably be something similar: [b]1 -[/b] Each member can only post new updates [b]every 20 minutes[/b]. Any update between that period is considered spam and warned as such. [b]2 -[/b] Links to Youtube, images, news articles or anything else that may generate discussion [u]is[/u] allowed. [b]3 -[/b] Links with inappropriate content, advertising other forums/sites/online sales [u]are not[/u] allowed. [b]4 -[/b] Foul language and one-word posts are not allowed. [b]5 -[/b] Punishments increase in severity with each repeated offence, starting at 10% Warning Level and scaling up, eventually including removal of status updating privileges, post locks or bans (members will receive a PM reminding them of the results of their next offence). [b]6 -[/b] Adult content results in an extended or permanent ban, as it would if posted in the main forum. As they say, CnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 @Rule 1 - what if someone deletes their last status and makes the new one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Since it will be hard to prove that they posted another status I don't think their is much that can be done about it. Still, I don't see people do that to often for it to be a major issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 [quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1295870300' post='4957076'] @Rule 1 - what if someone deletes their last status and makes the new one? [/quote] Either we notice and warn on the spot or we don't. Obviously nothing can be done about it. That's also what reports are for, so we're counting on the community to keep their eyes open as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 So this is a task of all the mods then? The rules are not so different from the ones I thought of, so I don't have a problem with any of them. I think they should work fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1295872698' post='4957093'] So this is a task of all the mods then? [/quote] It's not possible to appoint a mod to the status bar, they'd be a section-less mod with access to the Admin CP to issue warnings but that was it. The Status Bar isn't a "moddable" part of the site (yes, I made that word up). Besides, the designated person would have to be online constantly, it wouldn't be practical, so all the staff members will have to join efforts on this one. If you have suggestions to add, correct or clarify the rules, keep 'em coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Saint Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 [quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1295870300' post='4957076'] @Rule 1 - what if someone deletes their last status and makes the new one? [/quote] When advertising my cards, I sometimes mess up. So, to fix my link, I normally delete the status and make a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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