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[The Warden]

I dunno if they can use Choronomon, he is a purely VG Digimon so there might be some red tape between the producers and the game owners.

[Hydra of Ages]

I liked season 4 the biggest weakness i saw in it was after fusion evolution everyone else became pretty much useless, and in contrast I couldn't really find anything good or original in 5 so I could never get into it so i don't know what it was like after the first few episodes.

 

I'll rattle off a few original things that 5 did in just the first few episodes, not even counting the awesome crap that went down when the show really started going.

 

1) The Tamers are all late-teenagers this time around, and we see at least one adult with a digimon partner.

2) Masaru (I'm using the original japanese terms for everything because I didn't bother watching the dub) is the first proactive human if you discount season 4; rather than sit back and watch his partner do the work, he got into the fray and started scrapping against enemies far stronger than him, distracting them even during the times he didn't manage to do significant damage. It's notable that in the first five minutes we see him, he fights blow for blow with his partner, a digimon. After kicking the crap out of an entire school.

3) Digimon in this universe are regulated, and not in the sort of half-assed, vaguely futile way they were in 3 either. Here there's an actual division of the government assigned to controlling the violent enemies that materialize in their world every now and then, and they take their job; the heroes are actual government agents, rather than just vigilantes.

4) The first arc takes place in the human world. 3 did it first, but it's still different than the rest of the shows.

5) The main team is just three people, making it more concise and allowing more focus on them. Once again, 3 did this first (and 6 did it again), but it's still different from the rest of the series. Come and think of it, 5 took a lot of cues from 3, which I think is a good thing at least.

6) THE MAIN CHARACTER DOES NOT HIDE HIS DIGIMON FROM HIS FAMILY. This is a big one, since they lampshade it quite a bit at the beginning- they do the logical thing and fill in the people relevant to the situation on the need-to-know information. Notably, this is the only time in ANY of the series where this is done right from the get go.

7) The Digivice, rather than being mystical plot devices that make things happen when other things happen, are clearly defined tools that rely entirely on the human for their power source.

8) Masaru, despite being the most hotblooded protagonist the series has ever had, is not particularly book smart. He's also not an idiot, especially when compared to the likes of Davis; when he throws himself just into battle, it's because he's almost entirely reliant on improvising and isn't great at making plans before hand; it's easy to see that his tactics aren't really that bad a good amount of the time, which is the reason Touma starts respecting him.

9) We get an actual explanation for why nobody notices Digimon destroying crap everywhere. Memory erasure.

10) Masaru tried to take on an oil tanker. Yes, the ship. I'll leave you with that.

 

Aside from that, there are a few awesome things from later in the series that you likely missed. Without spoiling much...

 

1) KURATA. Easily the most monstrous villain in the entire series, and the only time a human enemy didin't get redeemed. The guy basically combines all the worst aspects of the Nazis together being a slimy bureaucrat and a hint of those guys from Lovecraft Novels who summon Horrors to our world just because- not to mention he singlehandedly subverted the part of Digimon that made all the previous villains a little impotent, [spoiler= Spoiler] the fact that Digimon always get reborn whenever they die. He develops a way to PERMANENTLY KILL OFF Digimon, and actually USES it- genociding an entire CAPITAL CITY at its peak. Permanently. The narrative doesn't cop out and bring them back, they're actually dead. Including one of the character's adoptive mother AND adoptive father (seperately).

 

 

2) The Data Hybrids, all of which were ridiculously apt foils for the heroes and interesting characters in their own right, even if they didn't appear for very long.

 

3) The Royal Knights actually make an appropriate appearance, in their actual function as guardians of Yggdrasil. Likewise, a Demon Lord also appears, in his actual funciton as a Demon Lord.

 

4) Not only do the team reach a standard level above Mega, but EVERYONE reaches it; unlike previous ones where only the leader gets the coolest toys, the entire team gets to share this one.

 

5) Masaru punches GOD and GOD breaks. Did I not mention this before?

 

 

 

....So, ahem, enough fanboying over Savers.

[The Warden]

The PawnChessmon never got to KingChessmon and QueenChessmon respectively. As well as no JumboGamemon.

[Hydra of Ages]

They also weren't present for more than two fights. I don't think they exactly count.

[Phantom Roxas]

I dunno if they can use Choronomon, he is a purely VG Digimon so there might be some red tape between the producers and the game owners.

 

In that case, then there's also a problem with using Grimmon.

[Hydra of Ages]

I have two words for you that prove there's no issue in using video game characters in the anime.

 

Ryo Akiyama.

[The Warden]

Ryo was there by popular demand, not to mention he was seen in a flashback in 02.

[//Zeromaru//]

And as a cameo in Our War Game.

[The Warden]

Yolei too had a cameo in Our War Game. As did TK and Kari.

[Hydra of Ages]

I don't care. He's still a primarily video game character who, by all logic, would be owned by the video game property if their franchise contract actually worked like that. It doesn't, so he didn't.

 

If that still isn't good enough, the existence of Monodramon, Millenniummon and ESPECIALLY Cyberdramon (who's appeared in Xros Wars too) more or less proves that a character appearing in a video game first doesn't necessarily mean they can't put them in the Anime.

[Phantom Roxas]

I can definitely see them going with Chronomon.

 

Quoting myself for emphasis.

[Blackstone Dresden]

Meh it's more fun to have them male a new mon for the main antagonist

 

That being said I would be insanely happy if either all the Demon Lords were acting as a Big Bad Septumvirate (or Octumvirate if Ogudomon is involved) and/or if we had GranDracmon

[Barian Warlord]

 

5) Masaru punches GOD and GOD breaks. Did I not mention this before?

 

 

Actually that was enough to tell me that it is was bad, the idea is cool but having someone punch god and win and be as active as you said against monsters made out of data is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, its like if in DBZ if instead of Trunks killing Freeza they had Krilin or Earth Bacteria do it. Underdogs can only go so far.

[Hydra of Ages]

Quoting myself for emphasis.

 

I know, just making my point.

 

Meh it's more fun to have them male a new mon for the main antagonist

 

That being said I would be insanely happy if either all the Demon Lords were acting as a Big Bad Septumvirate (or Octumvirate if Ogudomon is involved) and/or if we had GranDracmon

 

Agreed.

 

Mind you, seeing as we have Dracomon, chances are we'll see GranDracomon somewhere and in some capacity.

 

Actually that was enough to tell me that it is was bad, the idea is cool but having someone punch god and win and be as active as you said against monsters made out of data is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, its like if in DBZ if instead of Trunks killing Freeza they had Krilin or Earth Bacteria do it. Underdogs can only go so far.

 

Dragonball Z would have been unarguably better if that happened. Aside from having rather horrible writing in general, Dragonball Z suffered from having the 'underdogs', as you put it, quickly become totally irrelevant to the plot since they never did anything of importance. Having one of them kill Frieza would have been a cool way of showing how strong they've gotten since we've last seen them. Having Trunks do it was a bad way of attempting to impress the audience with a new character; it's just plain lazy writing.

 

Also, since when has the protagonist ever been an underdog? That's the climax of the last episode of the show, and it fits thematically with everything that's happened thus far. Keep in mind the entire point of digimon is that emotion showhow transfers to power, and Masaru's determination is so ridiculous it essentially turns the Digisoul into Spiral Energy.

 

EDIT: As a disclaimer and to make sure nobody misunderstands me, I love DBZ. It's just really flawed, which anyone can admit.

[Blackstone Dresden]

Changing topic here: Beelzemon's death was a Hell of a lot better done than Deckerdramon's death, mainly since Beelzemon died killing both Lilithmon and Blastmon, killing the former of which was basically his entire reason for living, and because he went down fighting. Deckerdramon went down because Kiriha was having daddy issues and murdered him.

 

I'm REALLY wishing that they just ditched Kiriha and made Deckerdramon a part of Xros Heart and X6, but I'll settle for them not killing off any more characters...

 

Dammit Damemon's dead.

 

OK then, bringing back this list

 

Yuu is Ken with a living sister instead of a dead brother:

Smart as Hell: check

Thinks the Digital World is a game: check

Has a Digimon whose first form is useless but turns badass soon after: Check

Corrupted by an evil Digimon and used for his own schemes: check and done much better

Has a black Digivice that was taken by his older sibling against his will: check

 

All he's missing is a dead partner and there's no guarantee that Damemon won't die in the finale and be reborn soon after

Dead partner: Check

[Barian Warlord]

Can you PM me the site you saw the episode on the ones I use skipped it and I just have the next one untranslated.

Never mind foun it Raw and now want to cry.

(For me cuz I don't have a place to put it and I want to remember this name, Razielmon)

Notes:

-Group of humans come to the digital world and instead of getting a partner digimon they become digimon, and because they were all 13ish they are rookie digimon

-They can can make an army of digimon and they are stored in the digivice

-They can digivolve and digicross, they can use different paths for there digimon if they meet the conditions for it, this will normally come in the later levels like:

Going from greymon to metalgreymon normally but if he digivolves in rage then he becomes skullgreymon

If they normally use 1 mega but that digimon has a stronger mega they can later become that

Or dracomon going blue or green and the levels higher

-The digivice can also load weapons, armor, and abilities for digimon which must be found similar to digimemories but each one can load into a digivice once though you can have more then 1 of each item loaded and equip or unequip them to your digimon

 

[spoiler=digidestined]

Leader: Taiki Type, strategist/thinker who keeps the group together

Gabagumon---FlareGreymon/BlizzardGarurumon---BlazeGreymon/FreezingGarurumon---IgnisGreymon/GlaciusGarurumon---???Omnimon

Rebel: Matt/Kiriha Type, in conflict with leader but has many of the same traits

DORUmon---Dorugamon/DexDorugamon---DoruGreymon/DexDoruGreymon---Dorugoramon/DexDorugoramon---Alphamon

Muscle: Davis Type, an idiot who only knows how to power through but is good natures

Coronamon---Firamon---Flaremon---Apollomon

Wild Card: Yuu Type, never know what he will do, but in his eyes is doing whats right

Impmon--???---Baalmon---Beelzemon---Razielmon

Girl: Nene Type, sneaky and good at taking care of others

Bioymon---Siremon---DivaSiremon---???

Brain: Izzy Type, has knowledge and can figure things out for the group but not necessarily wise

Hagurumon---Guardromon---Andromon---HiAndromon

Child: Tomy Type, happy type who lifts up the group

FanBeemon---Waspmon---CannonBeemon---TigerVespamon

Tom-Boy: Rika Type, always trying to prove herself even though she doesn't have to, is very skilled at combat

Lunamon---Lekismon---Crescemon---Dianamon

Evil Human: Ken Type, knows what there is doing is bad but still does it

BlackGatomon/Lilithmon

 

Villains

-GranDracmon

-Apocalymon

-Darkknightmon

-Gravimon

-Slayerdramon

-Aegisdramon(virus)

-Zanbamon

-Diaboramon

-Dorbickmon

-TyrantKabuterimon

-Arkadimon (Mega)

-Daemon (Super Ultimate)

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Comment please

[The Warden]

Let's see:

 

Weaponry mods check

Dark Digivolution check

Multiple Lines check

Large group and an army later check

Humans-to-Digimon check

Useful Digivice check

 

All those above I've already done, if the change over from the old-old forum didn't erase the first post I would recommend my old fic.

[Phantom Roxas]

Meh it's more fun to have them male a new mon for the main antagonist

 

That being said I would be insanely happy if either all the Demon Lords were acting as a Big Bad Septumvirate (or Octumvirate if Ogudomon is involved) and/or if we had GranDracmon

 

Hopeless Paradise is supposed to feature all seven Demon Lords as the Big Bad Ensemble. I just need to figure out how it will work.

 

 

Changing topic here: Beelzemon's death was a Hell of a lot better done than Deckerdramon's death, mainly since Beelzemon died killing both Lilithmon and Blastmon, killing the former of which was basically his entire reason for living, and because he went down fighting. Deckerdramon went down because Kiriha was having daddy issues and murdered him.

 

I'm REALLY wishing that they just ditched Kiriha and made Deckerdramon a part of Xros Heart and X6, but I'll settle for them not killing off any more characters...

 

Dammit Damemon's dead.

 

OK then, bringing back this list

 

 

Dead partner: Check

 

Beelzemon should have been used for X8, but I'll admit his death was much better than Deckerdramon's, mostly because Beelzemon actually had a personality whenever he would show up.

 

When Damemon died, it was definitely sad, but the impact it had was ruined because I already knew that he'd be revived. Seriously, the announcement was poorly timed if they planned to make Damemon's death more tragic.

 

And of course, it's DarkKnightmon's fault, and apparently Bagramon revived DeadlyAxemon. I'm glad that DarkKnightmon finally backstabbed Yuu, since it's pretty obvious that he knew of Yuu and Damemon's friendship, and allowed Damemon to die so that Yuu's ZETSUBOUS despair would produce even more negative energy.

 

The Bright Land arc is officially my favorite arc in Xros Wars.

 

GrandGeneramon looks ridiculous, and I don't understand why Dorbickmon has to be the head. I would have preferred an entirely new head being created for the Xros.

[Barian Warlord]

They couldn't use Beelzemon for X8 because he adds B to the end of the cross and that type of digimon doesn't add a number with the exception of the Starmon and picmon but they are just weird to begin with, what I think would be good is if JetMervamon digivolves along with a revived Tuwarmon in order to Make Shoutmon X10 or Shoutmon XX, wait for that they'd need 1 more digimon so maybe instead of Tuwarmon they have darkknightmon turn good somehow and have him xross in.

 

The info I put there wasn't originally for a fan fic but I might make 1 with it, another thing I want a comment for is should the humans turned digimon start out in a group or should they be scattered...

[Blackstone Dresden]

MetalGreymon added a GM to Shoutmon X3, he's still part of X7. Your argument is invalid.

 

Also, according to the toys, MusoKnightmon's head is actually Tyutyumon. Anyone that that that's going to be significant at some point? Like maybe the annoying smug rat was actually the brains behind the operation and that both Bagramon and DarkKnightmon were his puppets?

[Barian Warlord]

Only in the game it has not been done in the anime plus it wasn't Shoutmon X3GM so my argument is still valid.

[//Zeromaru//]

Let me introduce you to Shoutmon X3GM.

 

Do your research if you're going to go up against Dresden. It's smart if you don't want to get shouted at.

[Blackstone Dresden]

X3GM's lack of anime appearances notwithstanding, every component of X7 has still combined with (Omega)Shoutmon or one of his Xrosses without actually increasing it by a number, Ballistamon obviously being the exception because he's part of X2: Dorulumon for the Dorulu Cannon, the Starmons for Star Sword/Wheel/Axe, Sparrowmon for the Jet Sparrow, and ZeekGreymon for DX.

[Barian Warlord]

My bad looks like I was wrong, but still I feel like Beelzemon wouldn't be a part of one of another digimons line in such a manner, though I do want to see his darkness mode, he is a demon lord after all.

 

Also any ideas what digimon the characters that I put up before should be, either rogue or wild card would be Impmon but I'm still thinking about the others.

[Blackstone Dresden]

Trimage, you're a moron. None of the Demon Lords have Darkness Modes, the Death Generals have them. Lilithmon's other Modes are Fused Lilithmon and whatever the Hell that other one is from the last episode.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure that "Darkness Mode" is just the default name for a DigiXros with the Darkness Loader, which explains why Dorbickmon and NeoVamdemon had 3 of them.