Hydra of Ages Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 I'm not sure if I've said this year yet, but if I haven't, then I'm surprised that I'm only saying it now. My "theory" is that the writers have a hat that they use to pick out a random Digimon, and then just write the episode from there. But this is an apt description of literally every episode of every season of digimon ever. First episode of Adventure? VS Kuwagamon!Fourth episode of Tamers? VS Gorillamon!Fortieth episode of Frontier? VS Saggitarimon! Basing an entire episode around a digimon essentially picked from a hat at random is nothing new to the series. Hell, that's basically all Adventure was- a series of vaguely connected fights against a random assortment of digimon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYoshi Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Bit of a late reply, but yes, Codey did send me here. Call me Jonno. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 You did forget the eps that DID have the villains in them, like the fight against the D-Reaper. But, yes, basically every non-story eps are 'chose a random Digimon' and have the Protags fight it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 So, after an entire day of recoloring a Taomon, I finally got my Doumon a sprite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexev Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 IDK Broken, I bet the villians were pulled out of a hat in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 IDK Broken, I bet the villians were pulled out of a hat in the first place. Well, the D-Reaper was designed with a specific purpose, and that was that it shouldn't be a human OR a Digimon. Oh wait, you mean in Adventure. ...Yeah, hat it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Well, the D-Reaper was designed with a specific purpose, and that was that it shouldn't be a human OR a Digimon. Yggdrasil was the same way, but yeah, I think my point still stands. Even the main villains in Adventure were an essentially random assortment; Devimon is evil because, uh, I guess he is. As was Myotismon. And Piedmon. Apocalymon was evil specifically because everyone else was. They got a bit better later in the series with it, introducing actual motivations and the like, but yeah. I hardly think Xros Wars is any worse than the rest in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Alright, let me be more specific: Xros Wars randomly uses Digimon that were used to better effect in past seasons. That's why there were multiple Etemon, DarkKnightmon was able to one-shot multiple MegaKabuterimon, Young Hunters featured several instances of Myotismon and his evolutions that were nothing more than fodder, and the worst offenders are that Lucemon, Machinedramon, and Arkadimon all served under Lilithmon. Yggdrasil and the D-Reaper, given their unique natures, are excluded from this. What was even Bagramon's motivation? And don't say "He was a Super Demon Lord that rebelled against Yggdrasil." If something like that isn't explicitly stated for a Digimon at some point in the story, it doesn't count. For example, Lucemon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexev Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 What was MYOTISMON's motivation either? Or DAEMON in 02. Bagramon obviouslly wanted to be god. It's pretty easy to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Myotismon wanted to rule both worlds from the very start, that was always clear. In Adventure he had pretty much control over all of the Digital World, so he went for the Human one. In 02 he wanted to go back to the Digital World to take control of both at once. Daemon was not explained because they axed the entire thing, hence my post on the potential 02 had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 From what I recall, Bagramon's general point was that god was unjust, so he would fight against god with his new sense of justice. I can base the fact that Bagramon's living hell was probably his idea of escaping god's justice; because a living hell, in his eyes, would probably be a lot better than living under an unjust god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 and the worst offenders are that Lucemon, Machinedramon, and Arkadimon all served under Lilithmon... I knew the first two, but not Arkadimon, and Arkadimon "serving under" anyone short of the big bad himself or someone it's leechign off of is just plain bull. I mean,it's supposed to be strong enough to obliterate Mega levels as a fresh or in-training, so... I just am at a loss of words for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Are we all forgetting this?http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Fanglongmon The only digimon that is classified on par with Yggdrasil was reduced to Xros food?http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/God"Although there are many God Man, God Beast, Evil God, and Demon God-type Digimon, only Yggdrasill and Fanglongmon share the title of "god of the Digital World" with God." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 ... I knew the first two, but not Arkadimon, and Arkadimon "serving under" anyone short of the big bad himself or someone it's leechign off of is just plain bull. I mean,it's supposed to be strong enough to obliterate Mega levels as a fresh or in-training, so... I just am at a loss of words for this. See: Everyone's opinion on that matter before this post. What sadden me the most about Machinedramon being a servant isn't the fact that he is, it's more the fact that he's no more than a dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Alright, let me be more specific: Xros Wars randomly uses Digimon that were used to better effect in past seasons. That's why there were multiple Etemon, DarkKnightmon was able to one-shot multiple MegaKabuterimon, Young Hunters featured several instances of Myotismon and his evolutions that were nothing more than fodder, and the worst offenders are that Lucemon, Machinedramon, and Arkadimon all served under Lilithmon. Yggdrasil and the D-Reaper, given their unique natures, are excluded from this. ...and? So they reused designs, big whup, who cares? I fail to see how this damages the narrative in any way. Digimon differ in power level across continuities. In the comics, Arkadimon is a main villain; in this one, he is not, so he is not depicted as powerful as he would be in the other one. It's rather straightforward. As for Bagramon's motivations- Dunno, he never really explained them to us. The way he operated gave the impression he had something bigger in the works, and he was doing this for a reason, but it seems he never considered it important to fill Xros Heart in on exactly what it was. Weird that they never expanded on it, but I've survived with villains with worse motivations. See: Anybody from Adventure. Most from 02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Are we all forgetting this?http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Fanglongmon The only digimon that is classified on par with Yggdrasil was reduced to Xros food?http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/God"Although there are many God Man, God Beast, Evil God, and Demon God-type Digimon, only Yggdrasill and Fanglongmon share the title of "god of the Digital World" with God." I'm mostly upset because I think the Golden Dragon should be one of the strongest characters in general, assuming that it's based around the Four Symbols that the Sovereigns are based on. ...and?So they reused designs, big whup, who cares? I fail to see how this damages the narrative in any way. Digimon differ in power level across continuities. In the comics, Arkadimon is a main villain; in this one, he is not, so he is not depicted as powerful as he would be in the other one. It's rather straightforward. As for Bagramon's motivations- Dunno, he never really explained them to us. The way he operated gave the impression he had something bigger in the works, and he was doing this for a reason, but it seems he never considered it important to fill Xros Heart in on exactly what it was. Weird that they never expanded on it, but I've survived with villains with worse motivations. See: Anybody from Adventure. Most from 02. The recycled designs just show a lack of effort. I can accept Arkadimon's use only because he hadn't appeared in an anime, so if they wanted to use Digimon that have only appeared in manga, that's fine. Like I said, it's just hard for me to see Xros Wars as it's own thing, so the recycled Digimon make sense in-universe. However, have any of the past seasons reused past Digimon as poorly as Xros Wars did? Sometimes a villain can be worse precisely because of their motivations. Devimon and Myotismon are just generic evil monsters, so we accept that. Stepping outside Digimon, Nanamine from Bakuman is one of the worst villains I've seen in recent history, and his motivations stem from stupidly believing that his life can reflect a manga he read, and his goals are just repetitive, and his smug attitude is unbearable. Also, Z-one. He's not as bad a villain, but the twist surrounding him just tosses past foreshadowing away, and I was actually trying to understand his motivations, but since it had been a while since I watched 5D's, I kept asking myself, "Why does this guy find it necessary to be evil?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Also, Z-one. He's not as bad a villain, but the twist surrounding him just tosses past foreshadowing away, and I was actually trying to understand his motivations, but since it had been a while since I watched 5D's, I kept asking myself, "Why does this guy find it necessary to be evil?"Because he's just a rehash of the Anti-Spiral tuned to Yugioh and a happy ending for even the villains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 The recycled designs just show a lack of effort. I can accept Arkadimon's use only because he hadn't appeared in an anime, so if they wanted to use Digimon that have only appeared in manga, that's fine. Like I said, it's just hard for me to see Xros Wars as it's own thing, so the recycled Digimon make sense in-universe. However, have any of the past seasons reused past Digimon as poorly as Xros Wars did? As hard as it might be for me to accept it, Machinedramon probably has a removable intellect drive somewhere. And Lucemon didn't have the Data of the whole Digital World in Xros Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 The recycled designs just show a lack of effort. I can accept Arkadimon's use only because he hadn't appeared in an anime, so if they wanted to use Digimon that have only appeared in manga, that's fine. Like I said, it's just hard for me to see Xros Wars as it's own thing, so the recycled Digimon make sense in-universe. However, have any of the past seasons reused past Digimon as poorly as Xros Wars did? ...Not really? I mean, sure, they brought out a few villains that have been used before, but by and by large most of the villainous characters had never been shown in animation before; ergo, using them is no less lazy than just making up one on the spot. The ones they did reuse were obvious nods to fans rather than production shortcuts. The attitude of disparaging the season for rearranging digimon power levels seems odd to me, especially since they previously established most of the sorting algorithm canon was being thrown out for the time being. Sorry, it's just that this complaint just sounds like a massive nitpick to me- even worse, it's a nitpick that doesn't actually affect the show at all unless you're coming into it as a veteran anyway. And I'm sure 02 would have used old digimon far worse than Xros Wars did if it had actually had any old digimon to use. Of course villains can become worse because of their motivations, if their motivations are written poorly. Baguramon never actually gave us his motivation, though the guy seems to have at least some sort of sense of altruism considering the events of Hunters. Devimon and Myotismon are 'generic evil monsters', and that works for Devimon... but Myotismon was far too important a villain for me not to get to get annoyed at him being as two-dimensional as a sheet of paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexev Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Personally Bagramon struck me as more intimadating then Myotismon. They both seemed generic LOLEVIL but Bagramon always seemed less like a over the top overlord, more like a legitamate dictator. And Arakidmon's appearance as a servant made perfect sense, everyone is just distorting it with a field of whiny jabroniyness. Arak was always a really dangerous villian, he was basically a eldritch abomination that lived between the realms of the universe. He was legitimately dangerous but not a supergod created by Daemon because (suprise suprise) that didnt HAPPEN here. Similar to Lucemon, the demon lord concept is tossed in Xroswars do to the fundamentally different nature of the universe, instead Lucemon was usen cause he has a good and a evil form so he could be used as a traitor. Hell if you look at it, Lucemon's story is pretty similar to the Fronteir origin since they both draw parrells from the original Lucifer. But irregardless Arak was a dangerous, nigh untameable, eldritch being. Yet he was tamed, this isn't because Arakidmon is so uncool because the Xros team just wants to RUIN THE FEELINGS OF EVERYONE CAUSE THEY ARE SO EVIL, it's because Lilithmon is actually incredibly powerful. Darknightmon weaves an elaborate web involving a ancient superevil ball of darkness in order to create an object that can forcibly xros people. However, that trait is something that was already displayed. By Lilithmon. In terms of function, Lilithmon was a walking Darkness loader, so it's hardly a shock that her power, atleast power over people, was enough to cow something that was even a mindless monster that lives between dimensions. Most of the villians in Xros have always struck me as far more interesting and threatening then those that are displayed in earlier series. Their are some exceptions, I already stated I enjoyed the constant singing assholeness of Etemon, and I also thought the internal conflict between the Digimon Emporer prior to his Heel Face Turn to be interesting. Buuut they were exceptional villians. Beings such as Devimon didn't even manage to be that memorable to me, I am even racking my brain right now for anything about Devimon that wasn't him getting punched by Ange. I also thought Malomyotismon's reapperance in 02 to be kinda lame, in all honesty I thought AncientVolcamon was a more interesting villian then the big bad of 02, and HE was the Villian of the Week. Maybe the quality took a big leap at hunter, but I am perfectly willing to believe that this was because all the old fans got in such a hissy fit over changes that the writing was pressured to make everything like the old series. Same generic villian a week, same dorky hero type, hell we even have the SAME HEROES. Buuuut I haven't watched Hunter, and I am not talking about Hunter, this is about War. Your move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Buuut they were exceptional villians. Beings such as Devimon didn't even manage to be that memorable to me, I am even racking my brain right now for anything about Devimon that wasn't him getting punched by Ange. He also attacked the kids when they were naked. Can't forget that. (Okay they were in underwear, this was primetime, that's the closest to naked that we're getting.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYoshi Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 So I get some sort of riddle for my digimon?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 So I get some sort of riddle for my digimon?... To even be given the CHANCE to get a Digimon, you have to actively post here for a week or so. Alas, you've posted like three times. Keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 In terms of function, Lilithmon was a walking Darkness loader, so it's hardly a shock that her power, atleast power over people, was enough to cow something that was even a mindless monster that lives between dimensions. MadLeomon and AncientVolcamon displayed similar powers before Lilithmon did. To maintain my mancrush belief that DarkKnightmon is the best Digimon villain, it's possible that they all learned the ability from Bagramon, who in turn was inspired by DarkKnightmon. The Darkness Loader likely had the additional advantage of creating more powerful Xrosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexev Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Then I cite the fact that Lilithmon always demonstrated a tendency to be able to control ancient extremly powerful monsters, such as the old popsicle guy. I also think Darknightmon got his loader in order to try to match Bagramon's abilities which he didn't naturally have. It explains why he needed a tamer and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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