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[Mugendramon]

That would break 02's idea that if you don't have goggles then you can't do anything, also when I said ultimate I was talking about the level after champion I don't know if you got that Mugen because you mentioned them when i didn't. Also with how small the digivice and crests were in 01 why didn't the people that made them have them be 1 device, I know I won't get an answer just throwing it out there.

 

Side not I have no clue if my computer will keep working so can everyone please pray to whatever deity you believe in and if i stop posting it is because of tech problems.

 

I got what you meant.

 

I was just using Megas in comparison.

 

Point being, the was no real way for them to do all of that Roxas pointed out just now, because they needed all their Crests/Azulongmon's Digicores to do all of said sh*t, and giving away two of those was already enough throw the Digital World off balance.

 

Power creep hadn't installed yet, and the only way for them to achieve Ultimate/Perfect Level was through Jogress/DNA Digivolution.

[❤ Lovely Warrior ❤]

The episode is up and subbed. Dat fight scene. <3

 

Apparently, Marcus could have ended 02 all by himself. :D

 

Does that also mean Yoshino and Thomas could have done the same to? They are both more powerfull than the 02 kids. Not to mention Yoshino is the first girl to stay on par with her entire team digivolution wise.

[Phantom Roxas]

Rika came very close considering Sakuyamon, but because of Rosemon Burst Mode, yes, Yoshino counts. Keep in mind that the power scale keeps declining in each season, and apparently all the VenomMyotismons were all significantly weaker than the original one who knew.

 

Trimage, I know I've said this before, but I'll say it again for Lovely's sake: The logic "But if 02 did this any different, it would break the establish rule" is stupid. I believe the rules of "goggle-wearing protagonist with dragon partner" were only established in three things before 02 aired: C'mon Digimon, V-Tamer, and Adventure, and the original V-Pet just happened to have the Agumon in the first one. Because one was a one-shot and another was a manga that outlasted Adventure, which itself was only the first season of the anime, they could have screwed their so-called "rule" and make T.K. the main character with Patamon as his partner. And no, I don't think that just because Stegomon is an option, Patamon must have had a dragon or dinosaur form to justify his position has main character.

 

Furthermore, "if you have goggles, you can't do anything" is just forgetting that Gabumon could reach Mega as well, and to this day, only Frontier and Xros Wars have had the sense to remember that. Even if your point was that Silphymon and Shakkoumon had to be what they were for the stupidest justification, it shouldn't have even been a rule in the first place. This is why Time Hunters fails as badly as 02, and that's that the blonde little brother from the previous season loses the right to be the main character to some obnoxious brat who's only likable because of his partner and the only unique thing about him is that he idolizes the main character from the previous season. As Arekku_Koro said, Hideaki is Daisuke done right. Yes, a side character is a better example of a past lead.

 

Here's my theory on how enemies in Xros Wars are decided: The writers reach into a hat filled with random Digimon from previous seasons, pick a name, and go from there. I've always thought that Xros Wars has failed to stand as its own entity, and the crossover is just desperate enough to prove that.

[The Warden]

Well, to be fair Hunters isn't precisely XW, as it is it's own subsidary. XW could stand on it's own, but, maybe Hunters needed a little bit more thinking time.

 

Malo doesn't become Venom, though, it seems by this canon power goes: Myotismon

 

Venom is ungodly powerful but also ungodly stupid, he act spurely by instincts. That's why Malo is the perfect middle ground, powerful and smart.

[Nexev]

T.K. didnt get the lead role because T.K. got his time in the limelight with Devimon and Piedmon. He was a veteran and the group simply choose to let the focus be on the new people since they are the ones who needed the character development.

 

If everything revolved around T.K. it would have been adventure all over again.

 

No it didnt have to be Davis who was the focus of the story but it shouldn't be a old character or the new ones look 2d given the lack of story to flesh them out.

 

You might as well have just kept all the old tamers from Adventure plus maybe Ryu.

[Phantom Roxas]

But T.K. and Kari were the youngest, so it would have been a better execution of passing the teacher if they were officially the leaders. The new kids from 02 could still be a part of the team, but change Davis' role. Make us want to see him as the lead rather than force him on us.

[Barian Warlord]

The way I see it I don't get why Davis was on the team besides him being hard headed which really isn't a good reason, did he even bring anything to the team? At least in Tamers their goggle head brought the team together and in frontier he lead them which didn't always work out so well. With Davis it was more like hey lets pick someone who's only trait is stalking the girl he likes and making him the main character, I mean he grows up to run a noodle card in the future what did Tai do oh ya UN and digimon and his second in command Matt do made it onto Mars so really Davis doesn't redeem himself at all, then Marcus they leader who was my least favorite, he fights digimon and knows his way around fights working his way up to leader instead of a light shining down and saying you useless boy must now lead these far more competent people into battle. Wait how did we got on Davis bashing um...well anyway Tagiru is just Davis again which doesn't make sense cuz Davis sucked and I thought the people who wrote digimon knew that so what are they doing? Wait I got it they made Tagiru suck so the next goggle head would look even better by comparison it is the only explanation and it also explains why they are fighting new digimon so hard, I mean seriously they don't need brand new digimon just ones that hadn't been in the show before which I'm pretty sure is a lot. And to end my ramble when their in trouble why don't they try bringing X4 or up out again I can't imagine it nor being practical oh we get 1 super digimon in exchange for 4 silly ones.

 

Like I said before I think they are being lazy this season so they can focus on stuff for next.

[Hydra of Ages]

If everything revolved around T.K. it would have been adventure all over again.

 

No it didnt have to be Davis who was the focus of the story but it shouldn't be a old character or the new ones look 2d given the lack of story to flesh them out.

 

This is basically entirely incorrect.

 

TK was a kid, and as a kid, was basically The Load through all of Adventure. Sure, he got his moments -mostly against Piedmon- but it was mostly limited to Angemon saving his ass. Very little was ever accomplished because of something TK personally set out to do, and he never had to change himself along the way. He had a character arc, as did everyone else, but it wasn't particularly in depth aside from learning to be more mature and try to become more self-active (his interactions with Kari in the Machinedramon arc are a good place to look for evidence of that).

 

02, however, gave him basically the best character arc. In Adventure, he learned to become responsible for himself and his own actions- in 02, he learned to become a leader. No really, watch the episodes again and you'll see a clear theme- Takeru continually struggles with not only taking responsibility for himself, but for the entire team, along with Kari. The two basically become the support pillars of the group until Ken joins, and Takeru has a huge amount of development as he starts to lose his childhood innocence in favor of a more developed sense of justice- and even vengeance.

 

The fact they didn't do anything similar with Kari is a bit of a failing in my eyes, though. Unlike Takeru, she stays totally faithful to her childhood ideals, even when they're tested to the maximum (Dark Ocean), and is kind of a flat character because of it. Yeah, I know that's kind of the point (the Digidestined of Light, after all), but that's not an excuse for poor writing.

[Thundervlux]

Xros Wars is awesome, in my opinion. But we all have different ones, which is why we argue on the internet.

[Barian Warlord]

Vlux what was the point of your post, all you said is you like Xross Wars and we have the right to argue so here we go I'm arguing at your statement, Xross Wars was good I liked the characters but a lot of the time events around them went flat which is sad like with DarknessBagramon which had DarkKnightmon finally beat his brother only to lose because Bagramon is just that powerful and and can only be beaten in one of the lamest fight sequences ever. Then it goes on to hunters where against all reason the put the least interesting character in the lead and not only recycled not only digimon but characters, I mean any of main/semi-main cast of that show would have been a better pick.

[❤ Lovely Warrior ❤]

They should have just kept the same characters and given the two in the first season who didn't have Digimon and maybe a new character a Digimon that haven't been seen in the show so they wouldn't have to recycle old Digimon and characters.

[The Warden]

Lovely, Akari and Zenjiro WERE given XL in Hunters, sure, in the second last ep, but it counts.

 

Granted, the creators now owe it to us to have them Cho Shinka Dorulumon and Ballistamon into JagerDorulumon and AtlurBallistamon.

[Legend Zero]

What is sad is that all they really need is Imperialdramon Paladin Mode. Which can be achieved if you substitute the "Cell Phone power" with the other digivices (I'm sure it would be enough power/energy). Why need Hunters in the first place? That movie is cannon as far as I know.

 

Also, there should be a movie in which the Hunters meet the manga heroes. XD

[❤ Lovely Warrior ❤]

Lovely, Akari and Zenjiro WERE given XL in Hunters, sure, in the second last ep, but it counts.

 

Granted, the creators now owe it to us to have them Cho Shinka Dorulumon and Ballistamon into JagerDorulumon and AtlurBallistamon.

 

Do they ever use their Digimon for anything useful or do they just have them to have them? Like the creators only gave it to them to shut fans up for them not having any.

[The Warden]

Oh, they helped fight off a hoard of Myotismon as a part of the Xros Heart United Army. Akari Xrossed Dorulumon with PawnChessmon whilst Zenji xrossed Ballistamon with Deputymon.

[Phantom Roxas]

Vlux what was the point of your post, all you said is you like Xross Wars and we have the right to argue so here we go I'm arguing at your statement, Xross Wars was good I liked the characters but a lot of the time events around them went flat which is sad like with DarknessBagramon which had DarkKnightmon finally beat his brother only to lose because Bagramon is just that powerful and and can only be beaten in one of the lamest fight sequences ever. Then it goes on to hunters where against all reason the put the least interesting character in the lead and not only recycled not only digimon but characters, I mean any of main/semi-main cast of that show would have been a better pick.

 

Bagramon's rant to DarkKnightmon on why the latter is inferior is the height of hypocrisy. "Ideals and conviction"? Bagramon had done nothing but sit around for most of the season, and DarkKnightmon actually worked towards his goal. There's also no explanation for why Bagramon is so powerful (I disregard official biographies unless they're integrated into the story's canon), and the final battle is stupid because the transformation sequence is longer than the actual fight. Tagiru is awful enough to make me want to compile a list of the worst main character's I've seen.

 

They should have just kept the same characters and given the two in the first season who didn't have Digimon and maybe a new character a Digimon that haven't been seen in the show so they wouldn't have to recycle old Digimon and characters.

 

That's actually a very good idea... which is why the writers wouldn't do that.

[The Warden]

Bagramon was strong because of his right arm, which was some ancient powerful tree or magical power and stuff.

 

I do kind of wish Akari and Zenjiro had greater uses, but, then, they didn't really want to be there int he first place until they finally realized what they'd lost after Omnimon told them only Taiki could go back.

[Hydra of Ages]

Bagramon was strong because of his right arm, which was some ancient powerful tree or magical power and stuff.

 

Was Bagramon powerful because of his arm or is the arm powerful because it was part of Bagramon? Chicken or Egg scenario. Its also possible the arm became so powerful because it was severed by literally God- or the closest substitute Digimon will ever get.

 

Honestly, my only problem with Hunters is that there's been so much damned filler. I can live with Tagiru (who's actually maturing quite a bit- just look how he takes his losses now), but the dawdling about doing basically nothing in enough episodes for me to watch the entire series of Gurren Lagann again is ridiculous.

 

Oh oh, can I try to fix the both Hunters and Xros Wars at the same time?

• Gumdramon is SkullKnightmon's reincarnation. The reason SkullKnightmon is so short is because he's a tiny dragon wearing armour. Shoutmon's aware of this, and it's why he took Gumdramon as his apprentice and got so worried when he ran away. Gumdramon is only subconsciously aware; he's been trying so hard to get more powerful because he still thinks he needs to surpass his brother. Shoutmon's standing in as a kind of surrogate because he can't actually remember his brother.
  
• In the past, the Digital World was actually run by Yggdrasil. When Yggdrasil had determined the digital world was getting too large and might start crossing over into the Human World, he began a worldwide genocide using his Royal Knights- those who weren't killed were enslaved in order to help the war effort, at least until Yggdrasil could get around to reformatting everything.
  
• Bagramon's village was destroyed and his brother was taken into slavery. In response, he started the Bagra Army as a resistance force. Along the way, he discovered the power of Xros, which would allow members of his army to power up without needing to Evolve (which was powered by Yggdrasil). Omnimon eventually defects from the Royal Knights to the Bagra Army.
  
• In the final confrontation, Bagramon uses his power to separate Yggdrasil from the core systems of the digital world using DigiXros- he merged Yggdrasil's mind into his own, and turned the core systems into the Code Crown.
  
• Examon shatters the Code Crown into pieces, simultaneously splitting the digital world and ending the final battle between Yggdrasil's forces and the Bagra Army. Those who lost their lives in the blast became the DigiMemories, including Omnimon. Examon himself was split in two; Brakedramon and Slayerdramon. At some point, Slayerdramon is destroyed and reincarnated.
  
• Bagramon retreats into the higher planes of the digital world in order to mentally combat Yggdrasil, taking years to do so. He slowly goes insane, which his brother notices and tries to get stronger (so that he can defeat and possibly help his brother). Bagramon starts an attempt to get the Code Crowns again to reshape the digital world- when there's some resistance to that idea, he assembles a military force again to take them.
  
• Bagramon's mind eventually wins against Yggdrasil, giving him full control of his body and allowing him to return to govern his armies personally. Of course, he's been driven entirely deranged by this point, and is convinced the only thing to do is annihilate all existence and remake it again in order to totally excise Yggdrasil's taint. SkullKnightmon has been driven to similar extents, both by his hunger for power and closely allying himself with DeadlyAxemon, a nearly insapient creature that desires nothing but death and destruction.
  
• His armies attack a small village very similar to his own original one...
  
• Bagramon is killed in the Human World and falls to the bottom of the ocean, where the essence of Yggdrasil slowly spreads into the human world. Feeding off of their power, it slowly constucts a false-digital world that is, at the same time, part of it. Because it is Yggdrasil. It calls this form Quartzmon. However, it is still rooted to Bagramon's physical form, as it doesn't have any other link to the real digital world- the piece of Bagramon's body that it possesses is an arm, which is of course a great weapon against it specifically for that reason.
  
• Yggdrasil defends itself by cloaking the root of its system. Only those with access granted by Yggdrasil can find it, and of course nobody has access granted by Yggdrasil... in this dimension. The Clockmaker uses his power to gather those who have gotten Yggdrasil's blessing from across other dimensions, and creates an object to synthesize their wavelengths together in order to jimmy-lock this seal. He needs a specific representative from this dimension to grant the forced Yggdrasil permissions, of course. The Code Crown carries enough of Yggdrasil's signature in order for it to be used as part of the synchronization, but not enough for it to actually work alone.
  

[The Warden]

Except that it was SkullKnightmon who discovered the Xros System first, and was the developer of the first Xros Loader, which is now Nene's.

[Hydra of Ages]

XrosLoader.

 

Remember that 'Absorb Subordinates to Gain Power' thing that most of the early Bagra Army enemies pulled?

 

Yeah.

 

SkullKnightmon simply improved on his brother's techniques.

[Mugendramon]

XrosLoader.

 

Remember that 'Absorb Subordinates to Gain Power' thing that most of the early Bagra Army enemies pulled?

 

Yeah.

 

SkullKnightmon simply improved on his brother's techniques.

 

Well, that happened AFTER a Loader was given to Kiriha.

 

That absorbing trick came from Xros, but it was SAID by SkullKnightmon that he was the one who developed it.

[Phantom Roxas]

Bagramon was strong because of his right arm, which was some ancient powerful tree or magical power and stuff.

 

Hydra pointed out whether or not that is how Bagramon is so powerful, and I'm aware that the arm is used as a weapon against Quartzmon, but is there a reason beyond "Bagramon had it, so it must be powerful"? Ordinarily, I don't think an explanation is needed for why villains are as powerful as they are unless we have details given already, but with Bagramon, it really annoys me that he actually has very little character to him. In terms of villains, he's actually closer to Apocalymon and the D-Reaper while DarkKnightmon approaches the likes of Myotismon, Lucemon, and Kurata.

 

Bagramon is best described as an antagonist, serving as nothing more than an obstacle for a character to fight, while DarkKnightmon is an outright villain for actively terrorizes the heroes. What's sad is that I feel that Apocalymon had more development than Bagramon did in just Adventure alone.

 

Well, that happened AFTER a Loader was given to Kiriha.

 

That absorbing trick came from Xros, but it was SAID by SkullKnightmon that he was the one who developed it.

 

Are you implying Bagramon had single original idea at all? Best joke I've heard all day.

 

DarkKnightmon developed the Xros Loader, and Bagramon liked the idea enough to give Kiriha one. Then Omnimon was able to make one with no explanation. This also begs the question of how MadLeomon was surprised to see the power of DigiXros if Bagramon had access to the technology.

[Hydra of Ages]

Well, that happened AFTER a Loader was given to Kiriha.

 

That absorbing trick came from Xros, but it was SAID by SkullKnightmon that he was the one who developed it.

 

XrosLoaders give a cleaner, more two-sided and less permanent fusion; it's better in every conceivable way. It's Xros fusion. I wasn't being discriminatory with my words earlier, but absorbing quite obviously isn't Xros. SkullKnightmon developed Xros fusion in its modern form, but it's simply a perfected form of what Bagramon started.

 

Or that's how I would write it anyway. Keep in mind this is just how I would write the story as, not what I actually believe will happen. So can anyone actually explain to me why SkullKnightmon is apparently great with technology and capable of making revolutionary artifacts?

 

Are you implying Bagramon had single original idea at all? Best joke I've heard all day.

 

I'm fairly certain Bagramon didn't steal the idea of channelling Suffering into the core of the digital world until it turned inside out, then ripping all of reality to shreds with it, from anyone. I think you're confusing 'capable of having original ideas' with 'being an original idea'.

[Thundervlux]

Vlux what was the point of your post, all you said is you like Xros Wars and we have the right to argue so here we go I'm arguing

 

Well, my single comment did start an argument/debate/conversation, didn't it? Besides, it's not like I could say anything as half-decent as any of the rest of you guys. Well, except you Tri, as you're comments are often unreadable because of the lack of full stops, capital letters and the rest of those grammatical conviences we have and USE. Not having a go at you BTW.

[The Warden]

Just a side thing, both Hydra and Mugen have been promoted to Senior Hunters.