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[Blackstone Dresden]

Oh #11. Instead of having Gatomon lose her tail ring, have her get Devolved into Salamon and be stuck that way since her being both a Rookie and a Champion at the same time is a major continuity f*ck up.

 

[spoiler=Re: Roxas]

1. Not really, Patamon's a badass.

2. Plus the Destiny Egg was totally wasted in whatever dubious form of canon it exists in.

3. Pucchiemon looks kinda cute, but also really lame. Maybe make Chameleonmon his Armor form instead

4. Obviously the Egg of Darkness wouldn't make Wormmon Pucchiemon. Duskmon, however, is a possibility.

5. Wormmon's canon line is Wormmon -> Stingmon -> JewelBeemon -> GranKuwagamon.

6. Yeah don't have the epilogue in there at all.

7. No qualms, sure as Hell would have made Silphymon make more sense.

8. Not really, you could have the first chapter involve Daemon popping up, having the 01 team go in and fight him, and get their asses handed to them, causing their Digivices to be destroyed. That way it sets the scene for the whole season long question of "What the Hell was that robed Digimon?"

9. Well, since Daemon was sent to the Dark Ocean in canon, I figured they would either team up (Revealing Dragomon to be able to Warp Digivolve to Mega at will) or Daemon would just kill the SOB and merge with him

10. Here's what the final battle SHOULD have been: Mummymon -> Pharaohmon vs. Veemon and Wormmon's Megas, Arukenimon -> BigAssSpidermon vs. Armadillomon and Hawkmon's Megas, MaloMyotismon vs. Seraphimon and Ophanimon. That way he STILL gets his ass handed to him by the power of Hope and Light, but it's a lot more LITERAL with his death coming via Seraphimon lopping his head off with Excalibur.

 

 

[spoiler=Re: Hydra]

1- People probably thought we wouldn't take Patamon seriously as the lead mon.

2- Patamon -> Rhinomon. For Salamon (See my point 11), how about have Gold Rapidmon?

3- Obviously he'd keep the DE of Darkness but wouldn't use it until the plot demands Duskmon again because he thinks Darkness = evilness. Similar to Koichi in Frontier's reluctance to use Loewemon.

4- He could just realize that making his partner not suck would be a whole lot easier than CREATING A FREAKING NEW ONE. Hell, maybe he could kidnap Gennai at the beginning of what would have been the Kimeramon arc and torture him into revealing the location of the DigiEgg of Darkness (Which he heard Gennai exposit about before making his strike)

5. How about they can reach Champion normally, 1 Egg at Champion makes them Perfects, and 2 Eggs/the other Egg at Perfect makes them Mega Levels?

6- America = Savers, Europe = Frontier, Australia = Tamers? And then have Mexico be that girl with the Gotsumon and her team.

8- Having the old group in just makes things kinda pointless, "We COULD have MetalGarurumon and WarGreymon sneeze and kill these people, OR we could have these guys that can't reach Perfect do it.... Newbies, have fun!"

9- I like that idea

10- Or by decapitation.

 

 

[spoiler=Re: Hydra's list]

1. The intro arc should involve simple episodic plots, but this should involve freaking CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT instead of "Let's do this, go home, and not learn about each other at all." Maybe even lock the new team in the Digital World?

2. I really don't like the World Tour arc doing anything but showcasing foreign teams. Arukenimon should have more plans than "Turn Spires into mons. Kill people." Maybe have her try and absorb the Destiny Stones so she could cleanse herself and Mummymon of their human side.

3. Arukenimon and Mummymon should be a balance of comedy and ass kicking

4. I kinda like the idea of 2 eggs per person because those are the only 2 eggs that will react to said person (You wouldn't see any of the 01 group swapping Crests, would you?)

5. Or just don't use the stupid ones.

6. See my above idea of having him get rid of the old group

7. How about have BWGreymon act as a reluctant Dragon too Arukenimon and Mummymon since they all want to get rid of the Destiny Stones, but those two actually know where they are/because he physically can't attack them since they made him

8. Agreed

9. Agreed again

10. See point 1.

 

[Hydra of Ages]

Umm, Blazing, you are aware that every partner Digimon from 02 already has an armour evolution for every Digi-egg besides Darkness right? Also, Destiny and Miracles result in the same end, so they're interchangeable.

 

http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Digi-Egg_Digivolution_Chart

 

1. Make the plots of individual episodes more complex than 'Blow up control spires, go home'. Have actual victories against the Emperor that don't involve just blowing up a large number of spires.

2. Same goes for the Arukenimon and World Tour arcs.

3. In fact, cut out Arukenimon and Mummymon entirely, or at least make them serious villains.

4. Allow the chosen to trade their Digimentals temporarily, such as in that one Radio Drama.

5. While we're at it, make some of the Armor Evolutions less stupid. Case in point- Manbomon.

6. Make foreshadowing actually exist. Hint at Daemon's existence long before he appears, have the Dark Ocean appear periodically to Takeru and Kari instead of just that one time, have Cody mention Owikawa before his arc- details like that really help our suspension of disbelief.

7. Have Blackwargreymon be a bit less angsty. And have his sacrifice be less pointless.

8. Have humanity actually remember digimon exist since the last season. Hell, the Japanese Army could even be shown making a secret weapon to use if a VenomMyotismon situation arose again.

9. Make the Digivices less like swiss army knives and stop having them solve literally every problem.

10. Giving ALL of the characters a bit more personality would be appreciated.

 

Yes, I'm aware. What made you think I wasn't?

 

Also, Miracles and Destiny being the same is just stupid. The crest engravings are different, so why should they turn out the same?

 

[spoiler= Blackstone's comments on my comments on Blackstone's list]

1- Which honestly might be a valid criticism; the guy DOES resemble a plush toy. That said, it's still no excuse.

2- Rhinomon seems fine. Gold Rapidmon... No, far too shoehorned. Go with Maildramon.

3- Sounds reasonable. I'd complain using Duskmon is lazy, but honestly he DOES kinda look like a dark armor of Wormmon.

4- His partner is literally a worm and obviously disapproves of what he does. I think it's reasonable a megalomaniac would expect to have a partner as awesome as he is. Plus, Genai seems like the type to escape notice if he doesn't want to be noticed- being captured would be a little odd.

It might be interesting if the Digimental of Darkness is in the Dark Ocean, and Dagomon's trying to get him to open a channel between it and the digital world using the Digimental of Destiny.

5- Sounds reasonable.

6- Tamers as Europe and Frontier as Australia makes a bit more sense in my opinion, but good otherwise.

8- Which is why their crests become the Digimentals. No crests, no MetalGarurumon/WarGreymon.

9- Possibly, instead of Daemon destroying the old digivices, he steals them for study / his personal use. Combining their power with some other MacGuffin is what allows him to achieve SuperMega towards the end of the season.

 

 

 

[spoiler= Blackstone's comments on my list]

1- I'd prefer it if instead of having the ridiculous-simple single episodes, they were divided up into two/three episode long miniarcs, giving them more time for interesting crap instead of 'enter, BOOM, leave'. Locking them in the digital world every now and then seems like a plus- maybe make it so they can only leave at certain locations, and sometimes these locations become unavailable due to plot crap (taken over by enemy forces, etc?).

I also thing it would be better for the plot if Control Spires were rarer, but harder to take down. Instead of there being five billion of the things in which multiple are destroyed per episode, have there be like, ten max that it takes a miniarc each to break.

2- Yeah, that'd be fine, though there has to be a point to the showcasing. Maybe each foreign team, while doing their little plot thing, also uncovers a bit of what the true plot actually is? (involving the Dark Spores / Malomyotismon... the entire plot would need a makeover obviously, but you know).

3- That combination almost never works unless they're somehow Crazy Awesome. As it was, they were basically Rita and Zed, except with an even worse track record of success.

4- Meh. Feels kinda a waste to have all the armors possible, but only use certain ones.

7- Never use the phrase "Reluctant Dragon" in a serious context again. In any case, we could do that- or we could have him be an ally of Daemon before Daemon actually appears in full, giving the audience the idea there's more than two factions at play here.

8- Hell, Owikawa could be a part of that project. Perhaps the Government built the Control Spires in the real world as a type of safety net against Digimon Invasion, though Owikawa obviously betrays them.

10- I think working them as mini-arcs could give more opportunity for development than single episodes in most cases.

 

 

[Blackstone Dresden]

Hydra, yes, Gennai is the type to escape when he wants to. But what if he knew that Ken was supposed to inherit the Egg of Darkness but since Ken's crazy by this point (Dark Spore stuff replacing Devimon, maybe?) he can't just outright say "The Darkness Egg is in the Dark Ocean. Enjoy." Because Ken would be too paranoid to believe he would tell him without torture, so he's taking one for the team (Or maybe he can't feel pain since he's both human and Digimon?)

 

Also, if we're going to rewrite 02 (I'll help) then we NEED to explain Gennai.

[Hydra of Ages]

I also advise just calling them Digimentals rather than Eggs. Just to avoid confusion with the other kind of Digi-Eggs (I always did wonder why they decided to call them that in the dub).

 

In any case, about Gennai. According to Digimon Wiki and what I remember of 02, he was part of the ancient order that created the Crest Tags and chose the digimon of the first team. Coming up with a good explanation for this, however, is going to be... difficult, however.

 

[spoiler= My explanation]

How about this: during the birth-ages of the digital world, he and several other people were draw into the Digital World. Since the digital world was still incredibly malleable and formed from human information, he and the other humans got together and basically built the digital world up into its current state- possibly using a program called Yggdrasil (but we won't get into that)- by creating the four Sovereigns, who each proceeded to craft a fourth of the world into a sustainable ecosystem based on latent data in the area- data which apparently comes from dreams as much as it does the internet, explaining most of the digital world's fantastic elements.

 

Anyway, this is where it gets foggy. These creators identify the presence of Crests- massive sinks of certain types of emotional energy digimon are particularly responsive to- and create Tags that can absorb the sinks for research purposes.

 

Meanwhile, an alternate dimension that manifests near the Digital World called the Dark Ocean begins to seep in, creating a section called the Dark Zone. An Angemon corrupted by this zone becomes Daemon, who then corrupts and empowers four other digimon; the Dark Masters. The Dark Masters destroy the headquarters of the first humans and kill off most of them- the very last one, Gennai, manages to survive by merging his soul with his Digimon Partner, Wisemon, and make off with the eggs of the Chosen Digimon (Digi Eggs modified subtly to react better to the Crest's energy) and the crests, accidentally dropping Gatomon's egg in the ruins (which are later inhabited by Myotismon).

 

The Dark Masters proceed to seal away the four Sovereigns using Daemon's power, which cuts off Gennai's powers as well (since the First Humans used theirs to empower the Sovereigns in the first place). Being part Wisemon, he can still manipulate dimensions to a certain degree, which explains why he can be unseen when he wants to and seemingly has precognition. During 02, he became younger because his powers returned when the Sacred Stones were destroyed- the Sacred Stones being creations that the First Humans also made took power from them to exist.

 

 

 

...Whew.

[Blackstone Dresden]

Well they're not really elemental per se.

 

Probably the fact that they're not all elemental. Courage, Friendship, Sincerity, Love, Knowledge, Reliability, and Light can MOSTLY be described as fire, lightning, nature, wind, earth, water, and light, respectively, but Hope, Kindness, Miracles, and Destiny aren't elemental at all (Hope and Kindness being another light and nature, respectively, but Miracles and Destiny are both metal if anything).

 

Also, Darkness is obviously dark, but it, Desire, Tenacity, and Boastfulness haven't been given any evolutions at all. Or even images. Or symbols.

[Hydra of Ages]

Well they're not really elemental per se.

 

Probably the fact that they're not all elemental. Courage, Friendship, Sincerity, Love, Knowledge, Reliability, and Light can MOSTLY be described as fire, lightning, nature, wind, earth, water, and light, respectively, but Hope, Kindness, Miracles, and Destiny aren't elemental at all (Hope and Kindness being another light and nature, respectively, but Miracles and Destiny are both metal if anything).

 

Also, Darkness is obviously dark, but it, Desire, Tenacity, and Boastfulness haven't been given any evolutions at all. Or even images. Or symbols.

 

An 'element' is defined as a building block of the universe.

 

The digital world is made up of digitized concepts and emotions rather than matter.

 

Simple enough, I think. Obviously other emotions would also be Digimentals, but they're just not notable enough to be given a physical-manifestation symbol-type thing that they use to Armor Digivolve.

 

As for the ones that existed in the games but not in the Anime, eh, they're out there somewhere. They were just never found.

[Blackstone Dresden]

Elemental is defined in fiction as something of or related too one of the classical elements, or one of the extended classical elements like metal, lightning, and nature itself.

[The Warden]

He said emotional Dresden, not elemental.

[Blackstone Dresden]

An 'element' is defined as a building block of the universe.

 

^ Talking about that line actually and the difference between the implications of the words element and elemental in fiction.

[Phantom Roxas]

I'll read the posts later, but since I really didn't a definitive answer, there is nothing that should make me make the main Digimon a lizard and/or at least give Patamon one lizard form? I mean, Stegomon works fine in my opinion, but why is that every season so far seems like it just has to give the hero a lizard for some reason?

 

You do have excellent ideas. Mind if I use compile them for usage in my rewrite?

[Blackstone Dresden]

Well what ideas of mine are you planning on using? (Not meaning to sound egotistical, but I can't really OK Hydra's ideas and some of our ideas kinda contradict each other)

[Phantom Roxas]

In the case of plots that could contradict Hydra's suggestion, then I'll go with yours. I intend to keep Mummymon and Arukenimon, but I'm actually rather unsure of how Oikawa should play into it. I may have to watch the subs of Adventure for help. I think that Daemon and Dagomon should be introduced gradually over time, though Daemon will probably end up being the final villain, because otherwise I would have to give Dagomon a Mega form.

 

1. Agreed. For Veemon, I'll probably give him the Veedramon line.

2. Yes, it was. That's why it should be recurring.

3+4. I'll make up a Darkness Armor form for Wormmon.

5. I'm not particularly fond of making Wormmon's Mega a brand of Kuwagamon, though JewelBeemon is fine.

6. I might have an epilogue, but it won't be twenty years into the future where I just randomly have the characters married with kids you unoriginally look just like them and have the same Digimon somehow, and they completely ignore their established career paths and go from guitarist to first man on Mars. I'll leave it more open-ended.

7. Plus it would just be plain awkward to have a male Valkyrimon.

8. I do like the idea of having the Crests of the Digidestined actually becoming the Digi-Eggs, though introducing Daemon early like that does present the conflict early.

9. It would definitely give a V-Tamer vibe if I did the latter, but I'll decide on what would happen as I go along.

10. That would have been amazing a lot more worthwhile than the horrible finale we got.

11. Having Salamon works fine with me.

 

Considering how my Hopeless Paradise series, which I really need to learn that I should plan things out more with before I actually revamp, focuses on the oh-so original conflict of battling the Seven Demon Lords, Daemon would be a primary villain, so I don't want to be repetitive.

[Blackstone Dresden]

1. Giving him the Veedramon line kinda takes out the only good thing that Veemon had, which was ExVeemon. So maybe do a bit of a mythology gag and have Magnamon and Imperialdramon FM as his Perfect/Mega?

2. But what would Salamon evolve to? One of her Miracles evos, or a Fakemon?

3+4. Come on, Duskmon! He even looks a bit like a black Stingmon.

5. Maybe Tactimon then?

6. Yeah, maybe just a three-ish year epilogue showing the first group sans Takari graduating high school?

7. Valkyrimon IS male.

8. Well, you could have the Digimentals be the power source of the Control Spires, making that arc at MOST just an introductory "Get your powers" arc.

9. Good plan

10. Only downside is 3 2-on-1 battles, so we'd have to really bolster Arukenimon and Mummymon's badass qualities.

11. Glad I thought of it.

 

Also, when are we gonna do the Dragomon arc? I kinda think it's best done early on since Dragomon's just a Champion, or else Digivolve him to Perfect, which would involve either making him MarineDevimon or making a new Digimon for him to evolve into.

[Hydra of Ages]

Elemental is defined in fiction as something of or related too one of the classical elements, or one of the extended classical elements like metal, lightning, and nature itself.

 

No it isn't. The Classical Elements are named as such because that's what we believed the world was made up of, centuries ago. A lot of things like to use that set because they're a lot simpler than the ACTUAL elementals reality is made up of (IE, Hydrogen, Helium, Lithium, Beryllium, etc...).

 

In this case, it wouldn't make sense, because we aren't talking about the human world. The digimon world is specifically mentioned to be made up of human emotion. Digimental is a perfectly logical name.

 

Also, when are we gonna do the Dragomon arc? I kinda think it's best done early on since Dragomon's just a Champion, or else Digivolve him to Perfect, which would involve either making him MarineDevimon or making a new Digimon for him to evolve into.

 

Please call him Dagomon, it's a pet peeve of mine to add the 'R' in there. He was named Dragomon because the translator knew that you don't pronounce Rs in Japan and didn't catch the Lovecraft reference, so he assumed incorrectly it was some sort of dragon.

 

In any case, the guy is literally Cthulhu, lives in a parallel dimension, and is responsible for most of the plot (via corrupting Ken). He's also one of the few legitimately frightening enemies in the show. Cut the guy some slack and at lease make him a Mega-equivalent Perfect level, perhaps giving him a stronger form if he actually does manage to absorb the powers of Light- (Cthulmon?).

 

Also, you're allowed to use my ideas as long as we're also allowed to use ours for whatever purpose we want.

[Merci]

These ideas you people have been handing around are great!

 

. . . .

 

Yeah, I don't have anything.

[Phantom Roxas]

1. Veemon -> ExVeemon -> Magnamon -> Imperialdramon FM?

2. Most likely Maildramon.

3+4. It just seems weird to make one of the Ancient Spirits into an Armor Digimon.

5. As much as I like Tactimon, he doesn't really have any resemblance to the Wormmon line.

6. Sounds reasonable enough.

7. Oh, right. It still makes no bloody sense.

8. That could work, but I could still work in the "Crests become Digimentals". Serving as the power source for the control spires will cause them to change form.

10. That is why we give them Mega forms.

[Blackstone Dresden]

1. Magnamon's been Champion in 02 and Mega as a Royal Knight, I see no reason why he can't be a Perfect somewhere along the line

2. Yeah that could work

3+4. I see your point but I still say he'd work.

5. Yeah, but he's a bipedal vaguely insectoid Digimon.

6. It'd be a decent enough conclusion on its own, and maybe we could even have Cody there as the head of the third generation, setting up another sequel

7. No it doesn't, but what about Hawkmon does?

8. Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry, I wrote that at 2:30 AM

10. It's still 3 1 Mega vs. 2 Megas fights though

[Phantom Roxas]

1. I think Armor is a level unto itself, and that is why he was allowed into the Royal Knights.

3+4. Well, if it's a Digi-Egg of Darkness meant to serve as a replacement for Kimeramon, I guess it could.

5. I'm very certain he's meant to be a reference to Kamen Rider.

6. Why Cody? Because he's the shortest of the group just like T.K. and Kari were?

7. The Armor Evolutions, but that's it.

10. My name for the Super Ultimate level is Supreme, and that could be thrown into the mix, and there could be variety in the fights.

[Blackstone Dresden]

1. Armor's only Armor in 02. Elsewhere, it's Champion/Perfect (Like Savers had Digmon as a Perfect) except Magnamon's been Mega too

3+4. And again, he looks passably similar to an evil Stingmon

5. So are Stingmon and Justimon

6. That and because he's the youngest.

7. Japanese Halsemon is female, Japanese Shurimon is male. There's no sense to be had there.

10. I thought Super Ultimate got inconsistently dubbed as Ultra?

[Arekku_Koro]

If I was redoing 02 I'd just remove Jogress altogether, replace those episodes with Dark Ocean or Demon Corps stuff.

[Blackstone Dresden]

Way to jump it at the very last minute and ignore the entire conversation.

[Nexev]

So we are doing what we would do if we did a certain series?

 

Like nexdits?

 

 

Ummm if I was doing 02 I would provide more story on the existence of digieggs and they will go beyond mcguffins into objects of genuinely terrifying power.

 

Infinite potential power more ancient then what you will ever dream, you can barely touch it. Barely tap into it's magic, and it knows this. And you know it knows this. Even thought they can't talk, you can feel their power, power they don't belive you deserve. You think you can just find an egg and boom! It's all yours? You have to prove yourself.

 

PROVE IT'S YOUR DESTINY.

 

As such there is no digiegg of destiny or MiRaClEs or anything of the like. There is only digieggs actually taking you seriously, which is such a surge of power it actually SCARES people. It also causes problems as the very nature of the egg can overpower the wielder and eliminate the persons mind by accident. So the group is forced to not do so except in EXTREMLY DIRE scenarios.

 

DNA digivolution exists still however, it is useful in making it safer to tap into more of the eggs powers.

 

Ken couldn't use his eggs power because it didn't like him at first and nearly killed him last time he tried. He attempt to use Kimeramon (we need him for milleniumon who I recall as part of Ken's backstory) to corrupt the egg of kindness making it a Dark Egg, which is more of a HARBINGER OF CRUELETY (definitly a name to run away from really fast), for as Kimeramon's exist mocks the laws of the digital world, so can it mock reality. Distorting it into a grim evil facade, like a super dark ring. And then super courage guy fights the Courage guy and Wormon is like f*** this b****, and tries to fight Kimeramon himself. Ken tries to save wormon and this reawakens the egg of kidness, and it is very pissed off at it being usen as the HARBINGER OF CRUELETY and annihilates Kimeramon from EXISTENCE, there is not a single digit of code remaining.

 

Ken then manages to ally with the others.

 

 

Or something like that for the first arc.

 

I want the eggs to be complete mofos because that would be awesome.

[Phantom Roxas]

1. I'll need to look at how Dawn and Dusk did it, but it makes sense.

3-5. I suppose Duskmon and Tactimon could work then.

6. I'm more concerned with rewriting 02, so having a lead-in for an Adventure 03 isn't what I was planning for.

7. Really? Are you sure it's not just the seiyu's fault and an incorrect sub? Either way, I still think the whole Hawkmon line should have been female.

10. I may have heard of that, but Supreme sounds way better.

 

Nexev, considering how Ken was only in 02 and thus Millenniummon was first shown to most Westerners through that, I could easily just not include him and change Ken's backstory.

 

Perhaps we just make this some kind of competition for the club? Everyone takes a shot at redoing 02.

[Blackstone Dresden]

1. Dawn and Dusk had Flamedramon, Magnamon, Prairiemon, Kongoumon, Seahomon, Shurimon, Kenkimon, Ponchomon, Tylomon, Pipismon, Toucanmon, Aurumon, Shadramon, Kabukimon, Allomon, and Lynxmon as Perfects and that's it. It didn't have any Champion Armors at all.

6. Well, Cody's team could just act as a way of saying that the Digital World will never TRULY be safe, but that's why they'll keep fighting. It would also explain why the first five seasons always have at least one DigiDestined/Tamer that's noticeably younger than the rest.

7. I dunno, Hydra told me that Halsemon was addressed and spoke with female pronouns and Shurimon used male pronouns.

10. I dunno, Ultra just sounds more intimidating. Supreme sounds like a pizza.

 

I was actually thinking this could be a club project where we go through as a group and rewrite it. Kinda like what Team Four Star does with DBZ Abridged.

[Phantom Roxas]

1. If those were all Perfects, then Magnamon fits perfectly.

6. I suppose that would work, but then I'd rather just focus on rewriting 02. If we did end up making a 03, I'd probably wouldn't have as much involvement as an 02 rewrite. Not to mention that we don't have as much of a base to go off on as opposed to "Fix everything the 02 did wrong."

7. Consistency? What's that?

[spoiler=10.]

 

 

Doing it as a joint project amongst the club might be chaotic, and I'm certain that it works very differently than how Team Four Star does DBZ Abridged. We could probably do a roleplay, but that would still be chaotic.