S333666 Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 [i][/i] In case many of you do not know, the card Solemn Wishes can be used in an ILLEGAL Combo( if this is not illegal I would be surprised.) Basically, all you do is: 1. Summon to the field a monster that can be Normal Summoned. 2. Activate Solemn Wishes. 3. Activate Monster Gate and sacrifice the monster that you summoned. 4. Activate Soul Release Immediately afterward so the monster you sacrificed is removed from play (Note: The illegal part of this combo comes from your deckbuilding. You could only have the monster used to Sacrifice for the effect of Monster Gate: AKA: that monster is the only monster in your entire deck. Since it is removed from play, by the effect of Monster Gate, you will draw your entire deck and get 500 life points for every card, allowing you to ILLEGALLY get upwards of 99999999 Life Points,( or some other stupid number). Plus Monster Gate forces you to shuffle your Graveyard back into your Deck and since you do not have another monster in your deck, Monster Gate never resolves. Cheap isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_Gate"]Monster Gate[/url] says... [i]"Tribute 1 monster on your side of the field. [size="5"][b]Pick up[/b][/size] cards from your Deck until you pick up a monster that can be Normal Summoned, and Special Summon it. Send any other cards picked up to the Graveyard."[/i] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Solemn_Wishes"]Solemn Wishes[/url] says... [i]"Increase your Life Points by 500 points each time you [size="5"][b]draw[/b][/size] a card (or cards)."[/i] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Pick_up_a_Card"]Picking up[/url] is not the same as [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Draw_a_card"]drawing[/url]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Rrey Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 No! Things don't work in that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 [quote name='S333666' timestamp='1292555525' post='4858542'] [i][/i] In case many of you do not know, the card Solemn Wishes can be used in an ILLEGAL Combo( if this is not illegal I would be surprised.) Basically, all you do is: 1. Summon to the field a monster that can be Normal Summoned. [b]Okay.[/b] 2. Activate Solemn Wishes. [b]Okay.[/b] 3. Activate Monster Gate and sacrifice the monster that you summoned. [b]O...kay.[/b] 4. Activate Soul Release Immediately afterward so the monster you sacrificed is removed from play [b]You can't. Soul Release cannot chain to Monster Gate.[/b] (Note: The illegal part of this combo comes from your deckbuilding. You could only have the monster used to Sacrifice for the effect of Monster Gate: AKA: that monster is the only monster in your entire deck. Since it is removed from play, by the effect of Monster Gate, you will draw your entire deck and get 500 life points for every card [b]No. Monster Gate isn't "drawing".[/b] , allowing you to ILLEGALLY get upwards of 99999999 Life Points,( or some other stupid number). Plus Monster Gate forces you to shuffle your Graveyard back into your Deck [b]What? Where does Monster Gate state the Graveyard goes back to the deck? If you don't have any monsters in your deck that can be Normal Summoned, you can't use Monster Gate at all. The player cannot activate optional effects that will not find a valid target. And if you could, you'd deck yourself out.[/b] and since you do not have another monster in your deck, Monster Gate never resolves. Cheap isn't it? [b]There is a difference between "never resolves" and "could not legally be activated". In a tournament, doing what you attempted to do would create an irreparable game state and you'd get a game loss, and it wouldn't give you the LP anyway.[/b] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttercup Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 2 Palorumo + Rainbow Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S333666 Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I never said it was LEGAL! Why does it always come down to tournaments with you guys anway? Oh, and someone explain to me the differance between Picking up and drawing please. I always thought it was the same thing. In which case this combo is crap. However, MYSTICAL BEAST SERKET "just cheats" I guess since it is banned which is a load of nonsense( since I have plenty of cards to shut it down), I know its changing the subject, but I really don't think it needs to be banned. Limited, but not banned. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 [quote name='S333666' timestamp='1293935935' post='4904816'] I never said it was LEGAL! Why does it always come down to tournaments with you guys anway? Oh, and someone explain to me the differance between Picking up and drawing please. I always thought it was the same thing. In which case this combo is crap. However, MYSTICAL BEAST SERKET "just cheats" I guess since it is banned which is a load of nonsense( since I have plenty of cards to shut it down), I know its changing the subject, but I really don't think it needs to be banned. Limited, but not banned. What do you guys think? [/quote] The main difference between "pick up" and "draw" is the word; you only draw when a card effect says "draw" or when you get your normal draw for the turn. Mystical Beast Serket isn't banned; the card that it requires to be on the field is banned. Cathedral of Nobles lets the user activate traps as soon as they set them, allowing for a person to run an incredibly efficient draw engine using Normal traps. This engine usually results in Exodia. Since Konami doesn't wan to ban a 5-card instant win, they instead banned Cathedral. Mythical Beast Serket has nothing to do with it. The Monster Gate combo doesn't work either. There are better, legal ways to gain infinite life as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeymadman Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Also, even if it was [i]draw[/i], Solemn wishes activates when you draw cards[b](s)[/b].Like if you activate pot of greed, you gain 500 LP, not 1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S333666 Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I really dont care that TOTK is banned. There is no way to play Serket without TOTK on the field. So it actually is banned(because lets face it, yeah you could summon it out without TOTK)but as soon as you did its effect destroys it! Now, you could always circumvent this(like every effect in the game, but lets figure out what you'd need shall we)? A. Dimensional Freakin Fissure! + Serket in the grave on the same turn, affected by the fissure + Return from the different dimension( special summoned in defense mode of course( I mean it would just be insane, to try to figure out how to do it! I'd like to duel the guy(or lady) who figures out a way to do it( and since you would murder them about it if I didn't say this) LEGALLY! Oh yeah, and for Mr. I HAVEN'T READ SERKET'S EFFECT( unless you have the older version, please tell me if ya do, I have the version that comes with Structure Deck Marik)IT"S TEMPLE OF THE KINGS!(for mine at least, so as I see it, if what your telling me about TOTK is true, then it would be banned.)You gain 500 Life Points every time you draw. So what I meant was, you had no monsters in your deck that would allow monster gate to resolve, so you would: Draw a card, it woulden't be a monster, send it to the graveyard(and you would get 500 life points BECAUSE you drew a card) you would the draw again and repeat.: But that's worng so, just explaining my logic there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 [quote name='S333666' timestamp='1293937790' post='4904894'] You gain 500 Life Points every time you draw. So what I meant was, you had no monsters in your deck that would allow monster gate to resolve, so you would: Draw a card, [/quote] You DON'T draw a card, you PICK UP a card. There is a distinction. If there is no monster in your deck, you can't activate the card and Monster Gate wouldn't resolve. The rest of your post was an incomprehensible mess, but an easy enough way to get Mystical Beast of Serket on the field would be to just use Skill Drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 If a combo is illigal don't even post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 In the TCG section, and the strategys section, its about tourneys, not friendly games you played, which you should play by tourney rules anyway Even if this DID work, you would be trapped forever, and you couldn't make another move, thus rendering the duel over, because you initiated a combo that could not be broken, you would be the loser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 [quote name='Wang Fire' timestamp='1293985184' post='4906064'] Even if this DID work, you would be trapped forever, and you couldn't make another move, thus rendering the duel over, because you initiated a combo that could not be broken, you would be the loser [/quote] If a card effect is activated that would cause an infinite loop, then you would not be able to activate it. You don't just "activate it, lolinfiniteloop, i lose." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Please note, TC - even if this combo was possible (i.e. Monster Gate allowed you to DRAW cards) you would deck out and lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Don't forget that Cathedral Of Nobles could be used with Serket to gain a free F.G.D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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