Fusion X. Denver Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='~Fluttershy~' timestamp='1327720925' post='5784744'] KHR does most of that, just not as well [/quote] Well, any manga can be said of that. Naruto could be said that. It's how [i]well[/i] a manga does it that brings it to that caliber. The reason Naruto isn't as great as it could be is because Kishi's been working to end it and wrap up the story. But One Piece is all about expanding on its plot and its characters along with their interactions with one another. And you can tell he has a great sense of his plot and characters. Unlike Kubo and sometimes Kishi, he [i]knows[/i] what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1327720838' post='5784741'] Yes, you're absolutely right when saying FMA is of that caliber. But so is One Piece. I sh*t you not. [/quote] I watched a good deal of OP I still think FMA is better for comedy ._. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwZ492gHByM[/media] on the other hand [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iiX3nU7PIo[/media] AND DO NOT FORGET SHOU TUCKER THAT BASTARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Actually, if me and Black-kun are right, kubo coulda known what he was doing all along :'o But yeah, can't find a manga like OP and FMA these days so easily Oh Fairy Tail has all that too, and pulls it off just as well, iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1327721153' post='5784751'] I watched a good deal of OP I still think FMA is better for comedy ._. [/quote] I suppose that's just our opinions since I thought the opposite, but both were pretty funny to me. [quote name='~Fluttershy~' timestamp='1327721217' post='5784755'] Actually, if me and Black-kun are right, kubo coulda known what he was doing all along :'o But yeah, can't find a manga like OP and FMA these days so easily Oh Fairy Tail has all that too, and pulls it off just as well, iirc [/quote] It certainly could be brilliant if you're right, but it's costing him readers. I frequent 3 forums and have 2 friends IRL who read Bleach and pretty much everyone is saying it's not as good as it used to be and oftentimes they don't even know where the f*ck it's going anymore. And everyone's hoping it'll end soon despite Kubo saying he'd do it another 10 years. Part of good writing is pulling off that epic twist while keeping your readers interested to find out where the story leads to it. If Bleach were a book, he could get away with it, but people rate manga based on weekly entertainment and it's not honing up to that department as well as other manga. And yeah, you're right about that, as far as characters go at least. I don't think it has the deepest story, which isn't a bad thing, but FT is more about being psyched about their current adventure as opposed to other manga where we're psyched about that, but especially the things to come, like in Naruto and One Piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Well I for one think the Fullbring arc was pretty epic, and interestingly creepy when Ichigo was running from the Tsukishima zombies And yeah, Fairy Tail is epic in character-wise But the plot isn't really deep Then again...it's not that deep with one piece either :T It's epic, sure, but not deep (as far as I can tell) new Fairy Tail arc is becoming epic btw Tho I just KNOW they got the point system off of Mario Kart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='~Fluttershy~' timestamp='1327722239' post='5784778'] Well I for one think the Fullbring arc was pretty epic, and interestingly creepy when Ichigo was running from the Tsukishima zombies And yeah, Fairy Tail is epic in character-wise But the plot isn't really deep Then again...it's not that deep with one piece either :T It's epic, sure, but not deep (as far as I can tell) new Fairy Tail arc is becoming epic btw Tho I just KNOW they got the point system off of Mario Kart [/quote] Fullbring Arc could have been better I thought. It's hard for me to explain, but I felt its execution overall was off. As for One Piece plot, yes and no. It's deceptively simple and there are a lot of jump-on points for readers who don't want to read all 600+ chapters. But there's lots of area with plenty of time to address. The fulfillment of all their dreams. Smoker's crew. Buggy's crew. Meeting up with Shanks. The other Yonko, especially Blackbeard's crew. There's Kidd's crew and Law's crew, and the other Supernovas. There's the other Shichibukai. Garp, Aokiji, Sengoku. Coby and Helmeppo. And all the many new enemies and different locations scattered in between. Sure, these are all characters, but characters lead to arcs and thus different parts of the plot. Nami led to Arlong Park. Crocodile led to Baroque Works and Alabasta. Merry Go led to Water 7 and CP9. Kokoro (or whoever the mermaid lady from Water 7 is) led to the Mermaid Island arc that just finished, as well as Thriller Bark. Thriller Bark led to Gecko Moria and Kuma. Kuma led to the god-damn timeskip and the realization they needed to get stronger. Ace led to Impel Down and the Summit War. See? It's deceivingly simple, but so damn deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Characters are deep And characters lead to stuff But the story isn't too deep, and by deep I mean complicated-type of deep :'o And I liked it Tho it was short Especially because it helps with the Aizen-is-good-and-Soul-Society-is-bad theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='~Fluttershy~' timestamp='1327725304' post='5784850'] Especially because it helps with the Aizen-is-good-and-Soul-Society-is-bad theory [/quote] AKA Best twist ever =o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='~Fluttershy~' timestamp='1327725304' post='5784850'] Characters are deep And characters lead to stuff But the story isn't too deep, and by deep I mean complicated-type of deep :'o And I liked it Tho it was short Especially because it helps with the Aizen-is-good-and-Soul-Society-is-bad theory [/quote] Here's what I mean. [img]http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/3563/fa03eb9286cf7289714d40f.jpg[/img] I'll like it more if it leads to plot points other than Ichigo getting his powers back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 That chart makes One Piece look like an over done cluttered piece of crap ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1327725835' post='5784866'] That chart makes One Piece look like an over done cluttered piece of crap ._. [/quote] [s]You're an over done clu-[/s] Black, Harry Potter would have the exact same chart and everyone says its universe is deep, compelling and overall, [i]magical[/i]. Just like One Piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1327725993' post='5784874'] [s]You're an over done clu-[/s] Black, Harry Potter would have the exact same chart and everyone says its universe is deep, compelling and overall, [i]magical[/i]. Just like One Piece. [/quote] ... Oh come on, you KNOW Harry Potter is s*** ._. Seriously, the only reason it's "deep" or "magical" is because /children/ read it and got hooked. Its characters make Tenten laugh in pride, whether under develouped or crappily done. Its plot makes the Arrancar arc look like the golden fleece. It is frick on a stick with a brick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1327726127' post='5784879'] ... Oh come on, you KNOW Harry Potter is s*** ._.[/quote] [IMG]http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm71/tunaman3000/ObamaHellNo.jpg[/IMG] This is not going to end well and neither of us will change our minds, let's drop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1327725993' post='5784874'] [s]You're an over done clu-[/s] [/quote] I haven't laughed that hard at a post in a while *likes* f*ck know what? Im gonna like any post I see by you that I can today for that XDDD [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1327726127' post='5784879'] ... Oh come on, you KNOW Harry Potter is s*** ._. Seriously, the only reason it's "deep" or "magical" is because /children/ read it and got hooked. Its characters make Tenten laugh in pride, whether under develouped or crappily done. Its plot makes the Arrancar arc look like the golden fleece. It is frick on a stick with a brick [/quote] I like Harry Potter tho not like a raving fan But it's good stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I like deep universes. It's what made Durarara, Bebop, and One Piece appeal to me. If you think about it, popular franchises like Star Wars and Harry Potter and Star Trek all have their unique universes; I believe that's key into making a franchise so memorable and easy to access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 you know what else has it's own universe? ...yeah idk, can't think of anything off the top of my head :T But I agree, those are kewl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Well, everything has its own universe, it's how DEEP it is that makes them so interesting. The key is believing that even without the main story, the universe would still go on with just as many interesting stories and memories to impart. And that there can be so many different and interesting lives in those universes and seeing them interact with each other. I can't really express it well since what I just said can probably be applied to any universe, but the best I can say is those with the greatest depth are those that meet the most success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Which is why gag manga don't get very far IN CONTRAST DBZ may not have had a deep plot or deep characters, aside from some But boy was that universe immense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='Sploosh' timestamp='1327727087' post='5784916'] you know what else has it's own universe? ...yeah idk, can't think of anything off the top of my head :T But I agree, those are kewl [/quote] [img]http://images.wikia.com/fma/images/d/d6/Reverse.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.anime-contemplation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/OP1-Tenshi-Piano-Wings.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='Sploosh' timestamp='1327727369' post='5784927'] Which is why gag manga don't get very far IN CONTRAST DBZ may not have had a deep plot or deep characters, aside from some But boy was that universe immense [/quote] Ehhhh it definitely has a unique flavor, but I wouldn't call it that deep. Its universe and all its interesting events really had to do with the Z Warriors. ...OH Here's what I tried to say earlier. If you have a universe that can still seem appealing and interesting and deep despite the main cast not being there, then it's one of the better universes out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1327727490' post='5784930'] [img]http://images.wikia.com/fma/images/d/d6/Reverse.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.anime-contemplation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/OP1-Tenshi-Piano-Wings.png[/img] [/quote] don't know the first one Second...yeah, you're right [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1327727816' post='5784951'] Ehhhh it definitely has a unique flavor, but I wouldn't call it that deep. Its universe and all its interesting events really had to do with the Z Warriors. ...OH Here's what I tried to say earlier. If you have a universe that can still seem appealing and interesting and deep despite the main cast not being there, then it's one of the better universes out there. [/quote] True dat And I don't mean the universe is deep But like....it's the DBZverse, it's really unique THERE ARE LIKE FOX PEOPLE AS POLICEMEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='Sploosh' timestamp='1327727934' post='5784954'] don't know the first one Second...yeah, you're right True dat And I don't mean the universe is deep But like....it's the DBZverse, it's really unique THERE ARE LIKE FOX PEOPLE AS POLICEMEN [/quote] Eh, that's a good point. You don't see anthropomorphic animals and humans interacting that much. ...aside from Sonic. Not to mention the technology. Androids Hoi-poi capsules Floating palaces Flying planet-destroyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Exactly it's an amazingly unique world, that actually makes us believe it's NORMAL It's like Harry Potter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 And that's what makes for a good story. Its universe. DL, we've been post-whoring in all our clubs this week...you and I have been in the top 2 posters most of the time .-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 [quote name='Sploosh' timestamp='1327727934' post='5784954'] don't know the first one Second...yeah, you're right [/quote] FMA. It's like an alternate universe earth where everythign happend differently. And FMA's plot started in the 1400s, whereas the story started, like, 1910, or so O_O And hell yeah I am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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