Suggestion: COPPA.

[Draco Straybyrn]

Well, seeing as how this is required in the United States, I thought it might be a way to prevent spam accounts, (have less need to) enforce rules, and just plain require members to either prove their age through behavior or parental consent.

 

http://coppa.org/

 

Kabang.

 

Also, I would say we fall under the category of personal info and all that. So we should have this enforced. A simple way to do it would be to limit posting to the intro forum until validation by S-Mod or Admin (By posting an image/scan of the signed form) if you're not 13. Anyone above wouldn't have to worry about it, and we could catch anyone lying easily, as it's not hard to find the mature vs. immature.

Edits / Explanations~

 

Q: But how does this effect people Outside the United States? Please Explain.

 

A: I'm not sure, but I do believe it applies to the rest of the world too. Even still, having it on YCM would be a good idea.

 

Q: Does YCMaker Live in the U.S If not then he can't really apply to this can he? Seeing as it's a law in the U.S

 

A: It applies to American members, and would be safer for the site. (Spam bots)

 

It would also prevent the recent influx of noobs, and double accounting.

 

Q: But that would mean I would probably not be allowed as I am 10 and so will a lot of good members and kizzi is 11 are you just doing this cause nukyasu is 10 ?

 

A: And every member already registered would be "grandfathered in", you wouldn't have to worry about it. Essentially, I'm just trying to limit the number of spammy users who end up getting banned anyway.

 

Q: listen listen listen pals and friends this would be a bad idea because forum activity would decrease because people would take more time to verify every single time people would eventually get frustrated and stop coming to the site all together.

 

A: Not a question, but whatever.

 

Says the brand new member. Everyone registered is grandfathered in, they don't have to worry about it. No ex post facto.

 

And 8 registrations new intros a day? I myself would do it.

 

Q: Wait, what if people haven't got scanners or cameras?

 

A: Then, they have a parent validate via email, perhaps. I can set up a YCM email validation thing to be used as last resort.

 

Q: wait so ur saying people only have to verify once and there good?

 

A: Yes, FF, that's exactly it. Simple, fast, easy

 

Kaze's Opinion!

 

[spoiler=Kaze Convo]

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

KAze

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

What do you think about COPPA?

God Kaze says:

COPPA??? 0.o

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

-_-;;;;;

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

READ SUGGESTIONS

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

o.O

God Kaze says:

too much work for nothing

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Psh.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Like 50% of new users are spam and annoying, yeah?

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

No more.

God Kaze says:

If you say so, but I'm not going to be the one monatering all these applications

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Hire a damn Local mod for Intros

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

-_-

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

I'd do it, but no one would want me as a mod.

God Kaze says:

well we can't "hire" someone, doubt YCMaker will pay someone for the job. I doubt anyone reliable enough for the responsibiliy would take it because they're smart enough not to get themselves into such a mess

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

-_-

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

*cough*

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Not hire in that sens.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

*sense.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Like, upgrade someone to a local mod for that forum.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Such as GBT is GD.

God Kaze says:

GBT would be someone to take the job, but then see how much work it is, keep putting it off, staying off the forum every few days, until ultimately either confessing he doesn't want to do it, or "leave" the forum, just to return a week later, hopng everyone has forgotten his duties

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

It IS possible

God Kaze says:

There's a difference between a mod and and an overworked mod. Frunk left the site at one point because there was too much work for just him to handle alone. Anyone who would want the job are the people who jump at the idea of being a "mod" and not realizing what they're getting themselves into

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Eh.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Get 2.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

I'm sure JK might want to do it with me

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

And it's only maybe 8 members a day

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Not that bad.

God Kaze says:

I just checked the Admin CP, we have 289 New Users today

God Kaze says:

still think its a small job?

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

But how many post intros?

God Kaze says:

hmm, doesn't say. I don't plan each one though

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Lol

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Check the intro forum

God Kaze says:

So yout plan is to just check those that post in the intro section? When you're trying to stop newbs who never use the right section? 0.o

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Lol Kaze

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

When users register, they have to validate.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Validation can be set to admin control

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

And I'm going to guess S-mods can validate.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

USer groups

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Can be restricted to start/reply/view/upload in each individual forum

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

So just make it so validating can only post in intro.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

If they spam, we ban.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

I had this system on my site.

God Kaze says:

To be honest, I hate this idea. If mods are set up to ban members in the intro section, it'd be rare for a member to get through and spam the forum, which means to banning ppl for me With the fun of authority gone, what's left is only responsibility

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Lol no listen

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

You don't get it

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Members only post in intro until approved.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Like, literally.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

They can't anywhere else

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

We get 2-3 local mods to mod it

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

And ta-da.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

You can mod everywhere still.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Nothing changes for you.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Just less work.

God Kaze says:

wow, that sucks. You shackle them and stand there with the key, watching them. If I joined a site like that, I wouldn't bother sticking around. Sounds like it'll just deteriate potential members

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

LOL

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

It generates parental approval.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Think of it.

God Kaze says:

When I join a forum, I want to be able to move about freely and see what it's about.

God Kaze says:

Sorry, I am against this whole idea

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

If we got seen by a parental website, then we get publicity with parents.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Wouldn't you want that?

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

It's not like there's anything bad about it.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

you post an intro, you get approved, you post other places.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Less spam to clean up.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Fewer Double Accounts

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Easier IP bans of Double Accounts

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

You're thinking about it the wrong way =p

God Kaze says:

wow, you're just trying to create a dictatorship. What next, monitering everyone's pm's?

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Lol, no.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

I'm not.

God Kaze says:

It's just a Yugioh site, no need to make it a prison

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

It's not a prison

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

-_-

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

What makes you think it's bad?

God Kaze says:

It restricts freedom. I join a site and have to sit around the introduction thread just for other members to judge me. If I am a spammer, I just have to put on an innocent face. If I'm not, Imight just take off because this site is "boring". The end result, everyone using the card maker but not the forum

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Anyone who wants to join the forum will do it.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Else, it prevents spam.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Think of it.

God Kaze says:

I did think, I don't like it

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

No one who would have any problems after joining

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Wait

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

hold on

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

>_>

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Only the people who are spammers/etc. will whine.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

So it's fine

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

We just ge tthme when they spam

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

=p

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

And it allows new members to meet people, ask questions, and make friends befor ebeing exposed to the whole site.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Teaches them how to post, and all that grand stuff.

God Kaze says:

they don't want that! most people who join the site are impatient children. They want to show off their Naruto Cards they made!

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Lol

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

'zactly

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

So let them post ~2 cards in an intro.

God Kaze says:

then they're posting in the wrong section, and will continue to do so after they are "approved".

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

No.

God Kaze says:

This whole thing is ridiculous, I like power, but this is simply controlling

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

RULES.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Wow.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

It's a simple system.

God Kaze says:

it's a crap system

God Kaze says:

It may work in your little site, but YCM is currently 43,000 members. It can't be put realistically on a large scale like that and benefit the site

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Lol

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

It encourages activity

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

And my site wasn't at all little.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

~300 members, 20 who posted intros a day.

God Kaze says:

300 you're site only contained the Spartans, YCM holds the whole freakin' persian army!

God Kaze says:

43,000 > 300 T_T

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Lol

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

But they dont' all post

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Most just register to save

God Kaze says:

with a system like that, that number will just increase

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

?

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Eh.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Less spam.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

It's not all about numbers, KAze

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Think safety, protection, wuality.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Would you rather have 10000000 pieces of crap or 100 rare gems?

God Kaze says:

To be frank, the crap. I'd rather have millions of members having fun then the same 100 members barely keeping the site alive

God Kaze says:

keep your precious gems

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Uhm?

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

LEt me redefine that

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

As per day, and the millions are all spammers.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

-_-

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

And then imagine 100 of God GAK / Yankeefan / Me / Azuh / DJ/ Zags / Kiga per day.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

It encourages quality.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

And discourages spam.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

And is simplistic.

God Kaze says:

I stand by my choice. A million pieces of crap over your 100 perfect gems.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Eh. If you want YCM to be crap, then that's your call.

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

But then it dies and more members like myself and Bhim leave

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

=p

God Kaze says:

No, crap can produce Carbon Dioxide, which can be used as fuel to keep flames burning. It's the perfect metaphor, it is these members that will keep the site alive

God Kaze says:

and I wouldn't mind if you left at all

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

-_-

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Would you mind if GAK, Yankee, Bhim, Instinct, Clown, and Dj all left?

God Kaze says:

no, I wouldn't

God Kaze says:

it's their choice

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

But then where would the site be?

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

I'm trying to make a point.

God Kaze says:

So am I. The site would be exactly where it should be. Yugioh is meant for people to have fun. In a site where mature people like ourselves reside in it and seek to control it, we are the ones that should be shackled

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

*sigh*

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

COPPA == Safety, Parental Approval, Less Spam, Higher Quality.

God Kaze says:

wow, OMG! I see it now! You didn't put it that way! ZOMG! Sign me up! T_T

God Kaze says:

XD

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Lol

Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) says:

Wow.

God Kaze says:

That's all you've been saying, and I don't really care for any of it

 

 

 

Wow! Kaze doesn't want Safety, Parental Approval, Less Spam, or Higher Quality. Hm.

[+Jono]

But how does this effect people Outside the United States? Please Explain.

[Draco Straybyrn]

I'm not sure, but I do believe it applies to the rest of the world too. Even still, having it on YCM would be a good idea.

[+Jono]

Does YCMaker Live in the U.S If not then he can't really apply to this can he? Seeing as it's a law in the U.S

[Draco Straybyrn]

It applies to American members, and would be safer for the site. (Spam bots)

 

It would also prevent the recent influx of noobs, and double accounting.

[Luna Diviner]

But that would mean I would probably not be allowed as I am 10 and so will a lot of good members and kizzi is 11 are you just doing this cause nukyasu is 10 ?

[Kizzi]

But that would mean I would probably not be allowed as I am 10 and so will a lot of good members and kizzi is 11 are you just doing this cause nukyasu is 10 ?

Thanks for the mention! :D

And just because I'm young doesn't mean I'm immature, and the same goes for many other members (although not all of them).

And limit posting in the Intro Forum? I'm pretty sure you mean the entire forum.

Besides, there are about 100 new members per day, and 9% post. That's 9 members who HAVE to be checked. And the Mods/S-Mods/YCMaker will have to check EVERY member, as they have no more than a 1% chance of knowing who will post.

~Kizzi

[Draco Straybyrn]

Limit TO the intro forum.

 

And every member already registered would be "grandfathered in", you wouldn't have to worry about it.

 

And Kizzi also brings up another point: We have but 3 active S-Mods. Perhaps an intro forum mod? Just things to think about.

 

Essentially, I'm just trying to limit the number of spammy users who end up getting banned anyway.

[Apocalypse Now]

listen listen listen pals and friends this would be a bad idea because forum activity would decrease because people would take more time to verify every single time people would eventually get frustrated and stop coming to the site all together.

[Draco Straybyrn]

Wow, no.

 

Says the brand new member. Everyone registerred is grandfathered in, they don't have to worry about it. No ex post facto.

 

And 8 registrations new intros a day? I myself would do it.

[Kizzi]

Wow' date=' no.

 

Says the brand new member. Everyone registerred is grandfathered in, they don't have to worry about it. No ex post facto.

 

And 8 [s']registrations[/s] new intros a day? I myself would do it.

Aha, now I understand. So I support!

EDIT: Wait, what if people haven't got scanners or cameras?

[Final Fantasy Revolution]

wait so ur saying people only have to verify once and there good?

[Slash]

I think it's a good idea, I support it :)

[Draco Straybyrn]

Then, they have a parent validate via email, perhaps. I can set up a YCM email validation thing to be used as last resort.

 

Yes, FF, that's exactly it. Simple, fast, easy.

[Cyber Altair]

nope, we would really discourage younger members but i dont care since i'm 14 years old.

[Draco Straybyrn]

So you're saying you don't think new members are smart enough to ask for their parents to sign something? I would think the parents would approve any site that requires them to sign something to prove its safety.

[Cyber Altair]

but some parents may act like @$$es and refuse for some unjust reason or might just be to busy or you know some problem or the other, you need to make a sure that a law made should be just to all not just for your hatred to nukyasa and forget him he is over, banned.

[Draco Straybyrn]

Dude, it ain't about that. I'm just slightly tired of having people spam up the forums, and this is a good thing to have. It's also kinda the law for any site with American members.

 

And that means the parent is being protective of their kid. If the parent doesn't want a kid on a site where they give out personal info and chat with people they don't know, that's their decision.

 

I didn't make the law. Parents did, and congress passed it.

[Final Fantasy Revolution]

an age identifier would be good but parent permission would decrease are members cause most kids under 13 proly wont ask they'll jsut forget about it

[Draco Straybyrn]

"Mom, I want to join this site. Would you look at this and sign it so I can? Thanks!"

 

-_-

 

Not hard.

[Cyber Altair]

some parents aren't free like others to check sites and make sure if they are good or not.

[Tkill93]

I'm with Kaze on this. It would just bring on more work, and cause people to lie about their age. Also, we dont have any spambots on the site.

[Luna Diviner]

I still dont like the idea of me having to verify my age or whatever.

Just leave the nukyasu thing behind and no offence but if you were mod of the intros you wouldnt do a lot other then say say hi to 100 and ban 2.

[Draco Straybyrn]

Eh. Note the "Add 2-3 Local Mods to Intros" part.

 

Cyber, they just have to sign the sheet. -_- And it's not like you'd be affected by this.

 

And age lying? How...? Pictures speak truth... and if they do lie it's easier to spot a lying little kid than it is to spot a hick at a Nascar race. =p

 

Rahim, you wouldn't have to. You're already registered. This is about NEW MEMBERS. ONES WHO HAVE NOT REGISTERED YET.

 

It's not about Nukyasu, peeps. It's about ALL of the new users who can't spell, put things in the right sections, etc. Too many of them, and too much for me to handle. Mare already quit, and I'm on the brink of it with my site opening soon.

 

"no offence but if you were mod of the intros you wouldnt do a lot other then say say hi to 100 and ban 2."

 

... And? Age checks are age checks, and as a site we should follow COPPA safety procedures.

[Luna Diviner]

Cant we just pwn n00bs without doing an age check.

Like goggler is seamingly 17 or something and he wants people to like him.

[Pathetic]

Oh if It dont affect me I am alright with it.

If it did I know my parents email addres and password.