One on Ones are frustrating due to this. Help me fix it.

[Mehmani]

I suggest that you must post at least one full sentence detailing why you would vote for the card of your choice, listing valid points as you do so. You must also be at least a Three Star (Advanced) Member to post in the first place.

Why? Because I find a massive bunch of noobs block-voting for cards with terrible OCG and no uses whatsoever, and it frustrates me. I imagine it frustrates many other card-makers too, who go to One-on-Ones for an accurate assessment of how good they are to lose 5-0 to a total noob. In a recent One-on-One that I was in, I scraped a 5-4 win from 4-1 down against a card that had terrible OCG, a pic with no background and a ridiculous effect. I only managed to win because said thread received an influx of members (all of whom used correct grammar and detailed valid reasons for voting in my favour) who voted for me. And let's make it clear - I'm a pretty good card-maker, I have full command of English Grammar and OCG, and I chose a picture by this site's best and most prolific custom image maker.

All I am suggesting is that only Three Star members and above should be able to vote and that they should list [u]several [i]valid[/i][/u] reasons why. It's a simple thing that could make a big difference - One-on-Ones would be fairer and more attractive to people who want to try doing one.

[spoiler=Supporters]
Alfred[/spoiler]

[Icy]

[spoiler='Me Complaining']How many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many times must I say it? PM me any complaint/rule things etc. Contact me personally. These threads are useless, if the moderator says no that's that. And I'd rather not make public discussion of an [u][b]OPINION[/b][/u] >_> Unless the situation requires it/it lacks meaning. Damn, how hard is it to PM me exactly?[/spoiler]

Also, if that is a requirement. Then there IS a standard for card creation, there IS a standard for what goes on in a card, thereby eliminating the need to post cards at all; which is far from the case. Since all you have to do is meet up to B-Y requirements and it's fine right? Let them go. You can ask for a detailed reply as to why they prefer X card over Y card, but in the end it's up to them to give an opinion on what they LIKE.

You'd standardize "preference"?

[Catterjune]

Lol, opinions.

I always thought there were scores of problems with 1-on-1 cards. The biggest one would be that the idiots in charge of each contest reveal who did what card. If, say, JoshIcy was beloved by everyone and everyone despised good old PikaPerson01, and we hypothetically did a 1-on-1, regardless of content the huddled masses would have a natural disposition towards voting for JoshIcy, even if his was atrocious and mine was excellent. (Not that this should reflect our actual card making skills. It's just an example, and I haven't made cards in forever so like... yeah.)

But that's neither here nor there. For the current "problem" of people disagreeing with you... tough luck? The people who voted for Newfie's also had plenty of reason for doing so. (Yours wasn't "toon-ey enough". Your wasn't original enough, just a mimicking of every other Toon-version of a card and not contributing anything to the archetype.)

... Not to mention [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwpo3VBtf_w#t=16m30s]Ancient Gear Golem already has a toon version of itself in the anime[/url].

(The above link has spoilers for a GX episode BTW so like... yeah.)

[Mehmani]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1289925385' post='4789128']
Lol, opinions.

I always thought there were scores of problems with 1-on-1 cards. The biggest one would be that the idiots in charge of each contest reveal who did what card. If, say, JoshIcy was beloved by everyone and everyone despised good old PikaPerson01, and we hypothetically did a 1-on-1, regardless of content the huddled masses would have a natural disposition towards voting for JoshIcy.

But that's neither here nor there. For the current "problem" of people disagreeing with you... tough luck? The people who voted for Newfie's also had plenty of reason for doing so. (Yours wasn't "toon-ey enough". Your wasn't original enough, just a mimicking of every other Toon-version of a card and not contributing anything to the archetype.)

... Not to mention [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwpo3VBtf_w#t=16m30s"]Ancient Gear Golem already has a toon version of itself in the anime[/url].

(The above link has spoilers for a GX episode BTW so like... yeah.)
[/quote]

I did add an original effect, actually. And although the picture can mean something when rating a card, OCG, fitting the requirements and more importantly, playability mean even more. His card was extremely situational, didn't fit the requirements for a Ritual or a Toon Monster and had terrible OCG. My card had perfect OCG, fitted both the requirements (although I did bend the rules with Rituals a bit to increase it's playability) and was playable.

And anyway, when the requirements are "Toon", shouldn't an unoriginal card that fits the Toon template be voted over a card that does not fit over the Toon template at all?

[Catterjune]

[quote name='Älfred-Kün' timestamp='1289926235' post='4789140']
And although the picture can mean something when rating a card, OCG, fitting the requirements and more importantly, playability mean even more.[/quote]
Says who? If someone adds more weight to other factors, then they're perfectly entitled to feel that way.

[quote name='Älfred-Kün' timestamp='1289926235' post='4789140']
And anyway, when the requirements are "Toon", shouldn't an unoriginal card that fits the Toon template be voted over a card that does not fit over the Toon template at all?[/quote]
Once again, lol opinions.

[Mehmani]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1289926575' post='4789145']
Says who? If someone adds more weight to other factors, then they're perfectly entitled to feel that way.
[/quote]

Then Written Cards is a bad place?

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

I have to agree that it is getting tough to do 1v1's lately. I had to quit one that I was winning because members were voting for my card not because it was better but because they hated my opponent, and even after calling it off they continued to beg me to start it again. I agree that there should be an updated rule about what a good vote should require. I would suggest at least one long, valid sentence at least explaining why you voted the way you did, or if you had trouble deciding between two cards a thorough explanation as to why. It isn't that tough to do.

[Catterjune]

[quote name='Älfred-Kün' timestamp='1289927366' post='4789164']
Then Written Cards is a bad place?
[/quote]

Then Showcase, Tutorials, and Shops is a bad place?


When he awoke, Alfred listened and located the source of the dripping — it was coming from behind the shower curtain. He pulled back the curtain, and there was the dog hanging upside down with its neck cut, and written upon the mirror in blood was,

"MODS CAN STRAWMAN TOO!"

[Icy]

Please give me a valid reason to instate such a rule without touching a Social Issue.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1289936253' post='4789355']
Please give me a valid reason to instate such a rule without touching a Social Issue.
[/quote]

Anyone can vote but they must give a vote with proper explanation and of decent length.

This is just a start, add to it as you feel appropriate.

[Icy]

[quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1289936639' post='4789365']
Anyone can vote but they must give a vote with proper explanation and of decent length.

This is just a start, add to it as you feel appropriate.
[/quote]

So it's not voting then, it's basically not even a contest. It's a thread where people write which card they prefer and why. Just like a traditional CC thread. So much for having 1 on 1 then yea?

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

I suppose you are right...hmm...give me a bit, I'll think up something.

[Catterjune]

[quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1289936639' post='4789365']
Anyone can vote but they must give a vote with proper explanation and of decent length.
[/quote]
"Proper" and "decent" are rather arbitrary definitions, but my section is known for modding people for being stupid, so glass houses and etc etc. Okay, we'll go with this 'rule'.

Why is preferring a card with good art and average effect as opposed to average art and average effect considered an improper explanation?

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1289939470' post='4789462']
"Proper" and "decent" are rather arbitrary definitions, but my section is known for modding people for being stupid, so glass houses and etc etc. Okay, we'll go with this 'rule'.

Why is preferring a card with good art and average effect as opposed to average art and average effect considered an improper explanation?
[/quote]

Well, I think that's more a preference. I don't mind being judged on pictures, but if that's the deciding factor I would like an explanation as to why.

Edit: Also, "proper" and "decent" are arbitrary terms, but I couldn't think of anything better. I'm still thinking about a more cohesive yet just as open rule.

[Icy]

[quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1289939635' post='4789470']
Well, I think that's more a preference.
[/quote]

Stop right there. That's what this request is about. PREFERENCE ISSUES ON SOMETHING THAT RUNS ON PREFERENCE!

Anyone else find that a little lol?

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1289940764' post='4789556']
Stop right there. That's what this request is about. PREFERENCE ISSUES ON SOMETHING THAT RUNS ON PREFERENCE!

Anyone else find that a little lol?
[/quote]

True, but it's what they're preferring that has me here. *points to first post here*

[Mehmani]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1289935178' post='4789327']
Then Showcase, Tutorials, and Shops is a bad place?


When he awoke, Alfred listened and located the source of the dripping — it was coming from behind the shower curtain. He pulled back the curtain, and there was the dog hanging upside down with its neck cut, and written upon the mirror in blood was,

"MODS CAN STRAWMAN TOO!"
[/quote]

I own a cat, not a dog. Too high maintenance.


If you have ever looked at One-on-One contests, you may notice that some people tend to provide a short review of both cards, explaining exactly why they have voted for one over the other. This is the right way to do things. Does someone saying "i choose JoshFirey's card over RaichuWoman's card" provide any information about why they have chosen the former over the latter? Or is it fine to do things without explaining why (unless the explanation is obvious, like warning someone of a large, heavy object about to fall on them from above)? I look forward to a typically abrasive response.

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1289937810' post='4789399']
So it's not voting then, it's basically not even a contest. It's a thread where people write which card they prefer and why. Just like a traditional CC thread. So much for having 1 on 1 then yea?
[/quote]

When someone votes in an election, they often tend to decide in their head before voting what party they are voting for and why. This is merely asking people to make these decisions public. It's a voting system without confusion as to why they voted for something in the first place.

[~Jay~]

I agree with Alf, I haven't ever done a one on one before, but I've seen this happen a couple of times here and there. I'm gonna support Alf on this one.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='Älfred-Kün' timestamp='1289922187' post='4789038']
In a recent One-on-One that I was in, I scraped a 5-4 win from 4-1 down against a card that had terrible OCG, a pic with no background and a ridiculous effect. I only managed to win because said thread received an influx of members (all of whom used correct grammar and detailed valid reasons for voting in my favour) who voted for me.
[/quote]

Where the hell did you get nine voters from?

Few enough people vote on 1on1's as it is, let's not limit the pool even more please. We need to encourage more to vote regularly.

We all have different opinions on why we like a card better, deal with it. Ok some people have no idea what is a good card and what's a bad card, but it happens.

You who runs the contest are entitled to put 'must give explaination for voting' as a rule anyway.

[Anti-Apocryphal]

No support.

1) [b]Some new members actually know what they're talking about and post why [i]in detail[/i].[/b] They explain everything from Deck supports to uses on the field. Some even give the OCG correction along with it. I've been in 1 v. 1's with that.

2) Like Matt Bahamut said, you can put "must have a valid reason" in the 1st post. I do this, along with:
[quote]
"...must give a valid reason. If the voter fails to comply, I will reject their vote. Both I and {insert opponent here} have the authority to do so...."[/quote]
I [b]have[/b] rejected votes like this, and others can do the same.