Susie Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Ugh yes both amazing bands. I'm just listening to the rain right now though. funny cause it was pouring down almost all day today for me, yeah Darkspace are really good though ive only ever listened to Darkspace III, ill probably go for the rest of their discography and ive only ever listened to Thantifaxaths self-titled EP, though i will listen to their full length next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 funny cause it was pouring down almost all day today for me, yeah Darkspace are really good though ive only ever listened to Darkspace III, ill probably go for the rest of their discography and ive only ever listened to Thantifaxaths self-titled EP, though i will listen to their full length next We're having non-stop rain for the next few days, which makes me glad I don't work on weekends. Everything Darkspace has done is awesome, but I think I and III are about equal. And if you dig the Thantifaxath EP, you'll definitely like their full-length. Listening to Cave In's Beyond Hypothermia, they and Poison the Well had quite a bit in common when they both started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 We're having non-stop rain for the next few days, which makes me glad I don't work on weekends. Everything Darkspace has done is awesome, but I think I and III are about equal. And if you dig the Thantifaxath EP, you'll definitely like their full-length. Listening to Cave In's Beyond Hypothermia, they and Poison the Well had quite a bit in common when they both started. eh i can see some similarities between Cave In and Poison the Well but id say that they both were bands of their own, though the comparison isnt too bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Cave In is definitely a bit more musically complex but the fundamentals are pretty much the same. Time for some Off Minor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Cave In is definitely a bit more musically complex but the fundamentals are pretty much the same. Time for some Off Minor! i love Off Minor though its been forever since ive listened to them, Innominate is an album that ive never heard by them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 i love Off Minor though its been forever since ive listened to them, Innominate is an album that ive never heard by them Oh man you should check that one, it's as good as anything else they've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Oh man you should check that one, it's as good as anything else they've done. ill get onto it pretty soon switched over to The Saddest Landscapehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x812AZ3U8Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Opeth plshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9smwY7jYU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted July 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Both great baaaaands. I just a Drowningman demo compilation called Learn to Let It Go, it's rad. Also Loma Prieta released two new tracks on vinyl, one of which will be on their upcoming album. http://lomablog.tumblr.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Both great baaaaands. I just a Drowningman demo compilation called Learn to Let It Go, it's rad. Also Loma Prieta released two new tracks on vinyl, one of which will be on their upcoming album. http://lomablog.tumblr.com/ i got major Opeth on my mind right now, My Arms Your Hearse was really good, really wish it didnt take so long for me to get onto it, id probably place it somewhere in my favorite Opeth releases. ive heard of Drowningman, theyre supposed to be similar in the vein of bands like Botch and Coalesce right? both those Loma Prieta tracks sound really damn good, but thats to be expected since its Loma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted July 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 i got major Opeth on my mind right now, My Arms Your Hearse was really good, really wish it didnt take so long for me to get onto it, id probably place it somewhere in my favorite Opeth releases. ive heard of Drowningman, theyre supposed to be similar in the vein of bands like Botch and Coalesce right? both those Loma Prieta tracks sound really damn good, but thats to be expected since its Loma. MAYH is one of my fave Opeth albums too, "Demon of the Fall" is one of their best tracks. And yea, that's pretty accurate about Drowningman. They're really good if you're into that stuff, but I know you like Botch a lot more than Coalesce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 MAYH is one of my fave Opeth albums too, "Demon of the Fall" is one of their best tracks. And yea, that's pretty accurate about Drowningman. They're really good if you're into that stuff, but I know you like Botch a lot more than Coalesce. i actually havent listened to Botch in a long time but yeah i do like them much more than Coalesce, still do enjoy both. Demon of the Fall is one of the tracks that i really like too, i also really like April Ethereal a lot. ill look into Drowningman next time i feel up to that sort of style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted July 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Coalesce just has done of the most mind-bending rhythms I've heard from a hardcore band and they just wrote sick good songs. Botch is pretty much on the same boat and I love them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Coalesce just has done of the most mind-bending rhythms I've heard from a hardcore band and they just wrote sick good songs. Botch is pretty much on the same boat and I love them too. ill admit that Coalesce are one of the most technical bands ive ever listened to but i much prefer Botch due to their longer structures more dynamic play and just feel more interesting in terms of song writting in general. Coalesce are still great to listen to since theyre extremely complex and they got a unique vocalist (i could point out Sean right when i heard him in that track he did with Every Time I Die) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted July 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 ill admit that Coalesce are one of the most technical bands ive ever listened to but i much prefer Botch due to their longer structures more dynamic play and just feel more interesting in terms of song writting in general. Coalesce are still great to listen to since theyre extremely complex and they got a unique vocalist (i could point out Sean right when i heard him in that track he did with Every Time I Die) I didn't know he did a track with them, that's pretty cool. I've never really been able to get into Every Time I Die though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalhead Dragon Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 i fail to see how Gojira and Meshuggah are generic, sure their techniques are overused in todays metal music but back when they were first around they were unique and definitely much more revolutionary than the bands that fail at what they try. oh well at least we both like Children of Bodom, theyre pretty good i currently own Follow the Reaper and a double disc set for Halo of Blood both are good albums. Crunkcore isnt really metal at all...i dont even know what it is or who thought it was a good idea to mix crunk with hardcoreI just think that people have outbeat Gojira and Meshuggah. Both bands are extremely boring and I never felt any value to their music. Sure they were "revolutionary" but every teacher gets outbeat by their students (I mean Steve Vai destroys Joe Satriani). Meshuggah has no idea how to take advantage of what they are good at, they got the closest with ObZen, but still it was ungodfully boring. Gojira trys to add atmosphere into their music and fails so hard, also as boring as Meshuggah, and I cannot see the hype. Bands have already djented with great variety in the music (Vildhjarta, Veil of Maya, The Contortionist) and djent bands can add ambient/electronic parts a hell of a lot better (Vildhjarta :), Mechina (new album), Skyharbor)... Also theres just way more interesting bands in general like SiKth, Periphery, Chimp Spanner, and The Helix Nebula, so thats a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I just think that people have outbeat Gojira and Meshuggah. Both bands are extremely boring and I never felt any value to their music. Sure they were "revolutionary" but every teacher gets outbeat by their students (I mean Steve Vai destroys Joe Satriani). Meshuggah has no idea how to take advantage of what they are good at, they got the closest with ObZen, but still it was ungodfully boring. Gojira trys to add atmosphere into their music and fails so hard, also as boring as Meshuggah, and I cannot see the hype. Bands have already djented with great variety in the music (Vildhjarta, Veil of Maya, The Contortionist) and djent bands can add ambient/electronic parts a hell of a lot better (Vildhjarta :), Mechina (new album), Skyharbor)... Also theres just way more interesting bands in general like SiKth, Periphery, Chimp Spanner, and The Helix Nebula, so thats a thing. if you dont think Meshuggah knows how to take advantage of their sound then you must really have a total lack of understanding over the diversity of how they utilize their sound. bands like Sikth, Periphery and The Contortionist are way too involved in glorifying one aspect of their music and throwing in some poppy melodies and lack the experimentation of a band like Meshuggah. there is a lot of value within Meshuggah not from their style but from what they could do with that style, they bended through a lot with what they were trying to create from the thrashy sound of Chaosphere, to the long intense atmosphere of Catch33 and many other things that they could do. As for Gojira theyre again much more focused on their atmosphere than their counterparts that just simplify the long dragged out sound that Gojira had aimed for, i get why youd find it boring but really if you feel theres no value to their music then youre really only looking at the surface of what they are. they went outside the box with how far they wanted to push their atmosphere where as bands that copy them pretty much just use simplified versions of what they did by using poppy melodies and obnoxiously clean production to try to obtain the lengthy atmosphere of Gojira. I can understand why youd wanna sit on the opposite spectrum but that doesnt mean that there is no value to the other side. the reason why people like me are really into Meshuggah and Gojira but hate bands like the ones you mentioned (expect for SikTh ill admit to liking what they do) is because bands like Meshuggah and Gojira went all out with what they accomplished, they didnt care about what was trendy and didnt incorporate what was over-selling at the time unlike their later counterparts who tried to become more associated with Deathcore, over-the-top poppy clean vocals and melodic guitars which for many can make a sound feel restrained and not at its fullest potential because not going to the lengths that bands who focus primarily on their experimentation would. if you dont like either bands thats fine by me but i can assure you that there is much more to both bands than you give them credit for. I didn't know he did a track with them, that's pretty cool. I've never really been able to get into Every Time I Die though. yeah the song was from their newest album and its called Pelican of the Desert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Agreed with Moog on Meshuggah and Gojira though I don't listen to Gojira much these days. Meshuggah in particular can be very difficult to digest and discerning what exactly is interesting about their music is not easy without looking a bit deeper. I definitely don't think any "djent" band has outdone Meshuggah. Gojira is more accessible but I definitely think they've got a unique vibe and are good at what they do. I wouldn't really compare the two bands because they're totally different beasts. On another note, Botch rules. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSIx6WGj-Nk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalhead Dragon Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 if you dont think Meshuggah knows how to take advantage of their sound then you must really have a total lack of understanding over the diversity of how they utilize their sound. bands like Sikth, Periphery and The Contortionist are way too involved in glorifying one aspect of their music and throwing in some poppy melodies and lack the experimentation of a band like Meshuggah. there is a lot of value within Meshuggah not from their style but from what they could do with that style, they bended through a lot with what they were trying to create from the thrashy sound of Chaosphere, to the long intense atmosphere of Catch33 and many other things that they could do. As for Gojira theyre again much more focused on their atmosphere than their counterparts that just simplify the long dragged out sound that Gojira had aimed for, i get why youd find it boring but really if you feel theres no value to their music then youre really only looking at the surface of what they are. they went outside the box with how far they wanted to push their atmosphere where as bands that copy them pretty much just use simplified versions of what they did by using poppy melodies and obnoxiously clean production to try to obtain the lengthy atmosphere of Gojira. I can understand why youd wanna sit on the opposite spectrum but that doesnt mean that there is no value to the other side. the reason why people like me are really into Meshuggah and Gojira but hate bands like the ones you mentioned (expect for SikTh ill admit to liking what they do) is because bands like Meshuggah and Gojira went all out with what they accomplished, they didnt care about what was trendy and didnt incorporate what was over-selling at the time unlike their later counterparts who tried to become more associated with Deathcore, over-the-top poppy clean vocals and melodic guitars which for many can make a sound feel restrained and not at its fullest potential because not going to the lengths that bands who focus primarily on their experimentation would. if you dont like either bands thats fine by me but i can assure you that there is much more to both bands than you give them credit for. yeah the song was from their newest album and its called Pelican of the Desert.I just dont think they have accomplished anything, all Gojira did was rip off of many other bands and try to incorporate this atmospheric style and failed miserably at it. I actually had a hard time explaining it until a guy on RYM named RNG was able to explain it. "Basically, lamb of god + environmentalism, with some quiet bits in there to be ~progressive~I don't understand the hype for this band. They're not "heavy", they're not innovative, their attempts at atmosphere fall completely flat. Why in god's name is this as well-loved as it is?" Further expanding on this, Gojira did nothing innovative copying bands like Meshuggah, Kobong, Fear Factory, Sepultura, and partially Neurosis. All of this while attempting to add some kind of atmospheric craze to it, that only makes it even more boring. Its just the most dull sounding atmosphere I have heard, keep in mind this is even worse than The Flesh Prevails, never thought I would say that. As for Meshuggah, yeah, I can credit them, but I cannot go farther to say they are one of the best bands, and they are worth all the praise they get. I dont understand why they are special. They get so boring, so easily. Especially Catch 33 where 3 songs have the exact same riff, no joke. Chaosphere had no atmosphere, which is a thing that makes Meshuggah a bit less boring, neither did Destroy Erase Improve. ObZen is their best album, nothing will beat it, and nothing can beat it. Tracks like Combustion, Bleed, Lethargica, and ObZen actually have variation and more variety to the sound, which is something I really liked about the album, but a few tracks fall a bit short in my opinion, which is why both Catch 33 and ObZen stand firm with 3.5/5 for me. As for "they worked hard" Gojira literally incorporated styles of bands before them, which makes that way far out of the list. Meshuggah I think did, they actually started the foundation for bands to grow on, and many bands went on to succeed them in their own genre. Meshuggah has so many things that are good about them, but I feel like the only reason why people like them is because its basically a mindf***. You have to listen to their albums many times to comprehend what happened, I have done it with many of their albums. especially with ObZen and Catch 33, and they still just seem to bore me even more the more times I listen to them. I feel like once you have listened to them enough, they would be a pain in the rear to come back to and try to listen to again. I guess id rather not turn this forum into a war zone so this is all I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I just dont think they have accomplished anything, all Gojira did was rip off of many other bands and try to incorporate this atmospheric style and failed miserably at it. I actually had a hard time explaining it until a guy on RYM named RNG was able to explain it. "Basically, lamb of god + environmentalism, with some quiet bits in there to be ~progressive~I don't understand the hype for this band. They're not "heavy", they're not innovative, their attempts at atmosphere fall completely flat. Why in god's name is this as well-loved as it is?" Further expanding on this, Gojira did nothing innovative copying bands like Meshuggah, Kobong, Fear Factory, Sepultura, and partially Neurosis. All of this while attempting to add some kind of atmospheric craze to it, that only makes it even more boring. Its just the most dull sounding atmosphere I have heard, keep in mind this is even worse than The Flesh Prevails, never thought I would say that. i dont get how Gojira can be compared to Meshuggah, Fear Factory, Sepultura and Neurosis none sound similar at all, first you have a Tech Metal/Djent band then you have an Industrial Thrash band, then you have a Thrash band that went into Groove Metal and finally the godfathers of Atmospheric Sludge/Post-Metal, none of the comparisons here make any sense at all (never heard of Kobong so i wont say anything on them). that dude sounds more like hes generalizing than analyzing but thats kind of to be expected from reviews off of RYM As for Meshuggah, yeah, I can credit them, but I cannot go farther to say they are one of the best bands, and they are worth all the praise they get. I dont understand why they are special. They get so boring, so easily. Especially Catch 33 where 3 songs have the exact same riff, no joke. Chaosphere had no atmosphere, which is a thing that makes Meshuggah a bit less boring, neither did Destroy Erase Improve. ObZen is their best album, nothing will beat it, and nothing can beat it. Tracks like Combustion, Bleed, Lethargica, and ObZen actually have variation and more variety to the sound, which is something I really liked about the album, but a few tracks fall a bit short in my opinion, which is why both Catch 33 and ObZen stand firm with 3.5/5 for me. As for "they worked hard" Gojira literally incorporated styles of bands before them, which makes that way far out of the list. Meshuggah I think did, they actually started the foundation for bands to grow on, and many bands went on to succeed them in their own genre. Meshuggah has so many things that are good about them, but I feel like the only reason why people like them is because its basically a mindf***. You have to listen to their albums many times to comprehend what happened, I have done it with many of their albums. especially with ObZen and Catch 33, and they still just seem to bore me even more the more times I listen to them. I feel like once you have listened to them enough, they would be a pain in the rear to come back to and try to listen to again. again the appeal of Meshuggah is that they went further with their sound than the later djent bands, if you like the later djent bands i get that since they have a more mainstream appeal, but what makes Meshuggah so special is that they didnt try to get mainstream appeal, they focused strictly on their technicality and experimentalism and were a full-on Experimental Metal band. can you say that Periphery, Veil of Maya or Born Of Osiris are Avant-Garde? no, because even if you ignore that their riffs are just Meshuggah they worship every other cliche in modern Metal, the overly flashy vocals, Deathcore breakdown chugging insanity, heavily polished guitar riffs etc. Meshuggah didnt give a single care about accessibility in their sound, they were a purely technical and purely experimental band and by throwing in all this mainstream influence it can really seem like its watering down the sound for those of us who really love the original sound. as for the lack of variation, its not easy to notice without diving deep into their music, but it is there. dont get me wrong here, im not trying to get you to put in a black cloak and assimilate you into the Cult of Meshuggah, im just trying to get you to at least see where the members of the Cult of Meshuggah are coming from. and yes as a major Meshuggah fan i can say that the reason why i come back to their stuff is because its a heavy mindfuck. tis the beauty of da 'shuggah I guess id rather not turn this forum into a war zone so this is all I say nah bae we just bein playful. least we all can love Car Bomb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxJ1LG5efug Agreed with Moog on Meshuggah and Gojira though I don't listen to Gojira much these days. Meshuggah in particular can be very difficult to digest and discerning what exactly is interesting about their music is not easy without looking a bit deeper. I definitely don't think any "djent" band has outdone Meshuggah. Gojira is more accessible but I definitely think they've got a unique vibe and are good at what they do. I wouldn't really compare the two bands because they're totally different beasts. On another note, Botch rules. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSIx6WGj-Nk yes Botch do rule, We Are the Romans and An Anthology of Dead Ends are my favorite releases of theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 This is such a cute discussion :3 I think it all just comes down to your perspective really. I'm not biased towards either band as I don't listen to either of them much anymore but I used to a lot, and I agree with Moog about the aesthetics of the bands and their separation from a lot of more mainstream bands, particularly Meshuggah. I'd write more but I'm at work right now so I'm limited! I wouldn't worry about starting a flame war though, no one here is unreasonable~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Do you like any 90s-influenced metalcore? i.e. Botch, Converge, Coalesce, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 im just jamming along to the same stuffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ZhByGj08M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted July 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 im just jamming along to the same stuffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ZhByGj08M Yeeeeeeees. Album rules. I'm jamming From Wisdom to Hate at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Yeeeeeeees. Album rules. I'm jamming From Wisdom to Hate at the moment. yeah it is a good album but i have yet to try out the other albums by Obliteration, though ive been meaning to. that is still the only Gorguts album that i have yet to listen to, ive heard that its like a continuation of what they did with Obscura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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