Dark Glass Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 I just said that as the actual discussion is about Mods, i can't make an opinion yet and justify why i would be some innactive for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juuzou Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 [quote name='.31215037926' timestamp='1290482808' post='4804526'] Name- ... Ideas (Optional)- lrn2gvmt? Rename it senate, unless you plan on counting the number of posts in each section and deciding the number of representatives from there. Why do you want to join?- Need something to fill the void of boredom. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Innovation Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 [quote name='Matt Bahamut' timestamp='1290514472' post='4804928'] I have never had a problem with mods since I've been here, when I've spoken to them they've always listened (well, read) to what I had to say and gave me constructive feedback. Ok guys like Josh can be... blunt... at times, but I haven't noticed much abuse of power. I will say that I think there is a 'us and them' mentality sometimes. Anyway, about Repping. I was gonna put myself forward for Contests but Smesh has bagged that one (despite not having posted any opinion on anything in this thread) so dunno what to go for now. One more thing: Do we really need 5 reps for Anime/TV/Music/Lit/V-Games? [/quote] Yea, most mods are quite willing to listen, but some like Josh could be...tough to talk to. Smesh wouldn't be considered, since this place and YCMthropology are not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Name: TheComposer Ideas: Anything to make this site better, replace inactive mods, start new projects, etc. Why I want in: I want to actually do stuff and let my opinions be heard, and if you'll let me, I'll represent the games forum (no one else is) because I'm there over half the time >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 [quote name='Future Paradise' timestamp='1290551555' post='4805794'] I was expecting more representatives when I first opened this thing up. [/quote] There was something written, can't remember what, that kind of suggested you wanted people just to join and discuss first, then apply for repping later. Otherwise I'd have done so initially. I guess I can rep the General stuff, as I am spending more time discussing stuff in there now. [quote name='Daft Innovation' timestamp='1290581416' post='4806750'] Yea, most mods are quite willing to listen, but some like Josh could be...tough to talk to. Smesh wouldn't be considered, since this place and YCMthropology are not the same. [/quote] He's registered as the rep for contests in the opening post. I've had some very productive chats with Marble and Opal recently about renovating a Game I started as a club and helping me with that. I think the mods just get fed up of repeating themselves, I know I do when I've explained how to post cards to a dozen new members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Apocryphal Posted November 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 [b]TheComposer[/b] and [b].31215037926[/b] accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbu-of-Sand Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 More people! Anyways, how do we 'decide' on our next debate? We just throw something out and see if everyone agrees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Apocryphal Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 Pretty much. We discuss a topic and if it seems strong enough, it'll go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juuzou Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 And we debate mainly YCM topics, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Apocryphal Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 Well, just in: [center][b]Opalmoon has been sent a PM w/ the "Legendary Club Archive/Inactive Club Delete" idea.[/b][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinnamonStar Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 Hey guys! The archive is a good idea, I'm trying to do a make-over over the section but it's hard to know what people like and what not but I guess this is good. I want to do it but IDK, how high is the demand? As for the spam clubs, I've gone through the pages and deleted a bunch of clubs that were double-posts by mistake or had one post only. Also routinely deleting single posts that were spammy so you might notice your post counter going down. But I'm not sure how we can define a club to be delete-worthy/not worth the time; if they're not successful enough it's bad luck, I guess. Right now I can't think of any club on the first pages that consists of pure spamfests and I prefer deleting posts and dropping warnings rather than deleting whole clubs. [quote name='Anbu-of-Sand' timestamp='1290234223' post='4797134'] [spoiler=Point 1 - Why I Think Mods Act The Way You Do] Sorry for a sudden change in the topic, if it would be a change in the topic, but I just had a thought why I think some Mods act the way they do, with a few other statements involving mods as well. As well all know, there are those mods who either don't do anything (inactive mods), and those mods even though active, how can I say this, 'overextend' there abilities as a mod (power abusers). Now here is why I think these mods act like certain ways. [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/228490-my-2-cents-must-read/"]Here[/url] is a link that vaguely / somewhat talks about this as well. To start off, I'll talk about my point of view on why some mods don't do much work. I think it is because some of these mods do not want to take the risk of getting complaints from regular YCM Members when they would implant a change in their section somehow, whether it would be through changing the rules slightly, or other things. Which leads them just to do minor things such as locking threads with spam in it, but do nothing to help improve their section in a different way. Now for the 'power abusers', I think the only reason why they 'abuse' their powers, is that because they think they are doing what is best for their section, when sometimes, it is not. I mean, if you look at it through their point of view, when they were first given their position, you would think that they gave you that position because you knew more about that section then some other members did correct? Now overtime, this would convince you to think that you were given said position because you knew everything and what was best for the forum, which makes you ignore any suggestions from some other members a good amount of the time, making you listen to only yourself, which leads to you doing things without other members opinions, which can lead to not improving said section, but making it worse. This is because of the promotion they were given in the first place, it never seemed to occur to them that one day, a regular member would suggest something better than him / her, and if other regular members would like said suggestion better than the mod, it would make the mod angry seeing he / she thinks they know everything that is right for the section, then all of a sudden a regular member to suddenly know more. [/spoiler] [/quote] Well [i]who[/i] exactly? IDK I appreciate your criticism and it's true for most of it but it's hard to make things better if there aren't examples.=/ So who of the current team would qualify as a power abuser/letting whole forums rotate around them, not doing much, etc.? [quote name='Daft Innovation' timestamp='1290233321' post='4797101'] And too bad in the world of YCM, freedom or speech and the public's opinion do not matter. Much. [/quote] It's not that it doesn't matter, most of the mods regularly reply in Comments/Suggestions, PMs and stuff. But YCMaker/FP need a lot, [i]A LOT[/i] of time to do things. They do them well when they get off their seats but it takes so long. The problem with mods that you guys mentioned here exists everywhere, I've seen worse forums but it's true that there's a lot of biased stuff going on between mods. Especially mods that are friends with each other and don't dare to go against them, not saying any names but it happens.=/ Oh and I'd like to join.=D Name- Opalmoon Ideas- right now bringing club interviews back, including ratings that might encourage clubs to do better Why do you want to join?- because I want to hear about things soon enough =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbu-of-Sand Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 [quote name='Opalmoon' timestamp='1290648553' post='4808326'] Well [i]who[/i] exactly? IDK I appreciate your criticism and it's true for most of it but it's hard to make things better if there aren't examples.=/ So who of the current team would qualify as a power abuser/letting whole forums rotate around them, not doing much, etc.? [/quote] Well, I didn't want to say names or anything, but right now for 'Power Abusers', only one that comes to mind is JoshIcy at times, and for the mods 'not doing much' are pretty much all the inactive mods / mods who are well, a mod, but hardly do there job, such as Frunk, seeing all I see him do is advertise now and rarely post things. I mean, demoting all the inactive mods / mods who don't do there job that much while replacing them with more activate, dedicated people, YCM could be a more, well, less I guess I can say 'chaotic' place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinnamonStar Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 Ok thanks, it really makes it a lot easier when people say the names + where what happened right ahead. Some of us posted in the mod forum that the list is really crowded right now and full of people who signed off but YCMaker is sleeping. The counter-argument from one of us was that by being on the list and not doing anything, they weren't hurting anyone and it takes just 2 seconds to see which mod is online and who isn't, yadda yadda. I don't really know what to reply to that, it's annoying to see that we have a list of inactive people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smesh Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 YCMthropology is dead? Yeah. So all YCMthropology members should come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Innovation Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 [quote name='Smesh' timestamp='1290667646' post='4808855'] YCMthropology is dead? Yeah. So all YCMthropology members should come here. [/quote] ...What. Impossible, it can't be dead. And I can't detect sarcasm at this hour... [quote name='Opalmoon' timestamp='1290648553' post='4808326'] It's not that it doesn't matter, most of the mods regularly reply in Comments/Suggestions, PMs and stuff. But YCMaker/FP need a lot, [i]A LOT[/i] of time to do things. They do them well when they get off their seats but it takes so long. The problem with mods that you guys mentioned here exists everywhere, I've seen worse forums but it's true that there's a lot of biased stuff going on between mods. Especially mods that are friends with each other and don't dare to go against them, not saying any names but it happens.=/ [/quote] I cannot blame the admins, they have lives outside. But a bit of attention would indeed be extremely beneficial for the whole forum. And on the note of mod's being 'friends', this is a job. Who cares if they're friends? YCM is an advanced forum with higher levels or intelligence, let aside those bastards saying 'intelligence in this forum is SO low'. Moderators can do events, I have browsed through the news section and found some exciting events that have happened before. So...why can't they do other requests? Btw Opal, not to be an arse or anything, but the club archive was my idea. =3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smesh Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 [quote name='Daft Innovation' timestamp='1290691894' post='4809082'] ...What. Impossible, it can't be dead. And I can't detect sarcasm at this hour... [/quote] When's the last time you saw it on the front page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinnamonStar Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 [quote name='Daft Innovation' timestamp='1290691894' post='4809082'] ...What. Impossible, it can't be dead. And I can't detect sarcasm at this hour... [u] I cannot blame the admins, they have lives outside. But a bit of attention would indeed be extremely beneficial for the whole forum.[/u] And on the note of mod's being 'friends', this is a job. Who cares if they're friends? YCM is an advanced forum with higher levels or intelligence, let aside those bastards saying 'intelligence in this forum is SO low'. Moderators can do events, I have browsed through the news section and found some exciting events that have happened before. So...why can't they do other requests? Btw Opal, not to be an arse or anything, but the club archive was my idea. =3 [/quote] Thanks for stating the obvious, everyone has been saying that for months. The moderators try doing requests, at least the active ones. Last year I hosted an entire Christmas event on my own (it was an idea by the whole staff, yet maybe 2-3 people did something) and a few weeks ago I started the YCM secrets since people wanted a place to rant and spam. But weirdly enough most people are loud when it comes to complaining, but when things are actually done they don't even notice or care. Some of you do but others seem to care only about getting their name out. Way to improve a forum... So most of us actually do requests when it's possible. But yes the fact of mods being friends and not daring to go against each other, even when your friend is blatantly breaking the rules but you won't punish him because he's your mod pal IS a problem. And it clashes with the advanced forum idea and decent intelligence IMO.=/ Not that I don't care who suggests what but again, how high is the demand/how many people want it etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Apocryphal Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 [quote name='Opalmoon' timestamp='1290648553' post='4808326'] Oh and I'd like to join.=DName- OpalmoonIdeas- right now bringing club interviews back, including ratings that might encourage clubs to do betterWhy do you want to join?- because I want to hear about things soon enough =D [/quote] Accepted and welcome! [quote name='Anbu-of-Sand' timestamp='1290649020' post='4808353'] Well, I didn't want to say names or anything, but right now for 'Power Abusers', only one that comes to mind is JoshIcy at times, and for the mods 'not doing much' are pretty much all the inactive mods / mods who are well, a mod, but hardly do there job, such as Frunk, seeing all I see him do is advertise now and rarely post things. I mean, demoting all the inactive mods / mods who don't do there job that much while replacing them with more activate, dedicated people, YCM could be a more, well, less I guess I can say 'chaotic' place? [/quote] Yeah, I do see Frunk a lot of times just advertise. He hardly ever comes on YCM, he's stuck to his 37 forums. People like that need to be demoted. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a member ask JochIcy why Frunk could advertise and he couldn't, and didn't that member get yelled at by Josh? [quote name='Opalmoon' timestamp='1290650426' post='4808417'] [b]Ok thanks, it really makes it a lot easier when people say the names + where what happened right ahead[/b].Some of us posted in the mod forum that the list is really crowded right now and full of people who signed off but YCMaker is sleeping. The counter-argument from one of us was that by being on the list and not doing anything, they weren't hurting anyone and it takes just 2 seconds to see which mod is online and who isn't, yadda yadda. I don't really know what to reply to that, it's annoying to see that we have a list of inactive people. [/quote] All people do is just complain about it and don't say anything. It sometimes takes [b]months[/b] before issued are brought up. [quote name='Smesh' timestamp='1290667646' post='4808855'] YCMthropology is dead?Yeah. So all YCMthropology members should come here. [/quote] ... [quote name='Opalmoon' timestamp='1290701200' post='4809232'] Thanks for stating the obvious, everyone has been saying that for months.The moderators try doing requests, at least the active ones. Last year I hosted an entire Christmas event on my own (it was an idea by the whole staff, yet maybe 2-3 people did something) and a few weeks ago I started the YCM secrets since people wanted a place to rant and spam. But weirdly enough most people are loud when it comes to complaining, but when things are actually done they don't even notice or care. Some of you do but others seem to care only about getting their name out. Way to improve a forum...So most of us actually do requests when it's possible. But yes the fact of mods being friends and not daring to go against each other, even when your friend is blatantly breaking the rules but you won't punish him because he's your mod pal IS a problem. And it clashes with the advanced forum idea and decent intelligence IMO.=/Not that I don't care who suggests what but again, how high is the demand/how many people want it etc.? [/quote] People on here are too particular about things. If things aren't done right, they don't like it. And I also plan on adding the "Legendary Club Archive" to [b]Comments/Suggestions[/b], too, to see how many YCMembers like/dislike the idea, unless anyone objects..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinnamonStar Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 [quote name='Future Paradise' timestamp='1290710867' post='4809484'] Yeah, I do see Frunk a lot of times just advertise. He hardly ever comes on YCM, he's stuck to his 37 forums. People like that need to be demoted. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a member ask JochIcy why Frunk could advertise and he couldn't, and didn't that member get yelled at by Josh? [/quote] WHAT?! Ok if anyone could find any information about this back and who it was because this sounds like massive hell to me. [quote name='Future Paradise' timestamp='1290710867' post='4809484'] People on here are too particular about things. If things aren't done right, they don't like it. And I also plan on adding the "Legendary Club Archive" to [b]Comments/Suggestions[/b], too, to see how many YCMembers like/dislike the idea, unless anyone objects..... [/quote] Hmm you could do that but as far as I can see, the whole club agreed here, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Apocryphal Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 Right, but I'm just curious about what the most YCMembers think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Apocryphal Posted November 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juuzou Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 There are a lot of stories about Icy's bad moderating, but I've never really seen anything first-hand. In hindsight, a lot of it sounds over exaggerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Apocryphal Posted November 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 I agree. I admit- he can be a bit selfish at times, but I really haven't seen him overabuse his power. Just yell at people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 I've seen some cases up close. Also, he was demoted for a reason, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juuzou Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 [quote name='Fading Black' timestamp='1290910682' post='4814867'] I've seen some cases up close. Also, he was demoted for a reason, people. [/quote] wait, when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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