Pokemon History is Contradicting

[Grunt Issun]

The Early games, as well as the early Anime, says that Mew is the ancestor of all pokemon, and created all pokemon. However, in the later of both, Arceus is stated to be the god of pokemon, who created all life using the plates.

Discuss contradictions in games... also I once saw a picture of the pokemon bible, can anyone link me to it?

[Dark]

Where did it [i]explicitly[/i] state that Mew 'created' all Pokemon? I know that Mew had some big role in the origin of Pokemon, but I'm fairly sure the thought that Arceus created Mew still holds true. Is it a dex entry, or in the anime (which always is different from what the game says), or in the manga, et cetera?

[Kuri]

How to clone Pokemon [i]Without Wi-Fi[/i]

Place 1 Arceus or Mew in a Daycare plus the Pokemon you wish to clone.

Simple as that. Right?

[Grunt Issun]

Well thats what I remember, heres all the evedince I can give

D/P/Pl dex entry: Because it can use all kinds of moves, many scientists believe Mew to be the ancestor of Pokémon.
This is just trivia on bulbapedia so its not very reliable, but: Mew's species name, "New Species", is rather ironic, as it is in fact one of the first ever Pokémon to have existed.
It can use all most moves, and has the genetics of all 649 pokemon, so, doesnt that mean somthing, I mean if it has the genetics of arceus, doesnt that mean theres a big hole in the pokemon history/religion?
And if memory serves me, its species name USED to be the ancestor pokemon.

But thats all I can show

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1289096672' post='4767393']
Where did it [i]explicitly[/i] state that Mew 'created' all Pokemon? I know that Mew had some big role in the origin of Pokemon, but I'm fairly sure the thought that Arceus created Mew still holds true. Is it a dex entry, or in the anime (which always is different from what the game says), or in the manga, et cetera?
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it says mew has the DNA of EVERY pokemon so it is contradictory just like Pikachu taking down Blaine's rhydon, Brock's onix, and a team aqua member's golem in the first movie

[Kuri]

[quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1289097493' post='4767457']
it says mew has the DNA of EVERY pokemon so it is contradictory just like Pikachu taking down Blaine's rhydon, [b]Brock's onix[/b], and a team aqua member's golem in the first movie
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Pikachu was on cracks

[Dark]

So, Arceus created the universe, and by extension, Mew.

He created Mew to hold the genetic key to every single Pokemon, including Arceus itself.

While Arceus is the first Pokemon to exist, and created everything, Mew [i]contains [/i]everything inside of him/her, which is why he/she is known as the ancestor Pokemon.

That's really the only bullshit cover-up I can make for this. I can see where you all are coming from, but it could possibly be GameFreak making a bit of a logic error.

[OnSlaUghT]

@Kuri

Didn't it rain?

[Grunt Issun]

Thats what I was saying, its contradicting, but I think I can come up with another cover, pretty much my history of pokemon, its long... really long

[spoiler=Pokemon history LONG!]

Chapter 1 Time and Space
Arceus first, in its blank, black area, before any pokemon, created mew, a test of his powers, it was bland, and had nothing special about it, he didnt know what to do with it, Arceus next created Dialga and Palkia, Who created space and time, and started the begining of the universe, but, Arceus thought "These are a very special being, if somthing were to happen to them... the universe might collapse" He then knew what to do with Mew. "Mew" he said "Please go to Dialga and Palkia, with this I give you, I want you to take there DNA, and protect it within yourself, so that if they perish, you may recreate them, amoung yourself, and restore the balance" Arceus told mew, with that he sent a ball of energy into Mew. With that, Mew went to find Dialga and Palkia, and when Mew found them, Mew used this ball of energy, now inside him, given to him by arceus, to take the DNA of them, into himself, to protect.

Chapter 2: The creation of earth
Arceus, now, with nothing to expand his life on, creates three other beings, Azelf, Uxie, and Mespirit, to help the creation of earth. He announces Dialga and Palkia, "You two, I command to you, to with your powers, create the earth, to create matter. This earth must have soil, stone, water, and plant." He commanded. Dialga and Palkia combined there powers to create this earth, it was a large ball of dirt, covered in water and land... but no life. Arceus created more life to inhabit this earth... but these pokemon seemed... still, dull, boring... he pondered this, then decided it. "Uxie, take your place on this earth, in the lake Acuity, spread knowladge to the inhabitants of this earth, so they know what to do on this planet. Mespirit, take your place on this earth, in the Lake Verity, spread emotion to the inhabitants of this eath, so they know how to react to events, how to be happy, so they may make the world better, to be sad, so they may show the problems of the earth, to be angry so they may destroy the parts of the earth that need to be, show them these things and many more. And Azelf, take your place on earth, in lake Valor, and spread willpower to its inhabidants, so they may fight, and fend for themselves, so they may avoid corruption, so they may choose a path for themselves." With this, the Gaurdians departed to earth, and spread spirit to the few creatures already living there.

Chapter 3: Sentient beings?
Arceus, now with several pokemon running around, decided that, before making more, he would try to create a sentient species, to be a ruler species, he called these species, human, but the humans became to sentient, and devolped great minds, which evolved into what we are, only more primative. These species, didnt know what these other species were, Arceus created these sentient species with nothing but mind power, so they could not abuse it, thus they were not like others, so they reffered to the other pokemon as, magical creatures. The Humans, now a species of there own, discovered apricorns, and there benifits. They used there primative tools, to create a primative machine, that would store these magical creatures into the apricorns. They used these to capture the magical creatures, tame them, and use them for battle, as a sport, and to fend for themselves. It wasnt long before they discovered new materials, like steel, and made bigger buildings, out of more then wood, they had labs now, schools, and observitorys. One day, Arceus went to check on the earth, mainly the humans, the had never seen arceus before, and cowered before him, but he greeted them kindly "Hello humans, I am Arceus, I am... the one who created you, but you need not fear me, I have mearly come to see if your life is progressing without chaos" after a minute of silence, a man walked forward, "almight Arceus, life is progressing smoothly, yes. Do you wish somthing of us great diety?" He asked, "I do not. Actually, for the amount of order you have created, even with your power, I will reward you with this" He said, a dazzeling light spread over the land, the trees sprouted with fruit, the land was filled with color, the lake was filled with fish, "Goodbye humans" Arceus said, and took off "Thank you allmighty" The man called. The humans worshiped this god from now on, and decided to build a temple to worship him, with all the stone materials they could gather, they built a giant church, and made a statue of Arceus in the front. Inside, they had constructed benches, and a podium, to pray from. Arceus was happy to see the humans worship him so much, he would occasionly, when he heard there prairs, gift the humans from affar. Giving them more fish, helping there crops. This strained Arceus, so he pondered what to do about this.

Chapter 4: A solution to his problems... comming soon
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I'll add more later

[CrabHelmet]

Here are the Pokédex entries that contain the "information" that Jaden is referencing:

[quote=Silver/SS]Its DNA [b]is said[/b] to contain the genetic codes of all Pokémon, so it can use all kinds of techniques.[/quote]
[quote=Crystal]Because it can learn any move, [b]some people began research to see if[/b] it is the ancestor of all Pokémon.[/quote]
[quote=Ruby/Sapphire]Mew [b]is said[/b] to possess the genetic composition of all Pokémon. It is capable of making itself invisible at will, so it entirely avoids notice even if it approaches people.[/quote]
[quote=Emerald]A Mew [b]is said[/b] to possess the genes of all Pokémon. It is capable of making itself invisible at will, so it entirely avoids notice even if it approaches people.[/quote]
[quote=D/P/Pt]Because it can use all kinds of moves, [b]many scientists believe[/b] Mew to be the ancestor of Pokémon.[/quote]

Even leaving aside the fact that there's no in-universe reason for the Pokédex to be infallible and the fact that the Pokédex entries are often based more on folklore than on fact anyhow, all of these entries go out of their way to explicitly state that this claim is by no means certain even by the Pokédex's standards; they make it clear that this is just something that some people believe.

Learn to read, you idiot.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

Arceus description says it came from an egg :/ mew gives birth and creates arceus

[Dark]

Then the question is posed 'who created Mew?'

Just because it says Arceus was created from an Egg does not mean another Pokemon necessarily had to lay that Egg. Take the situation that this "Egg" was the original matter in the Pokemon Big Bang, and when it exploded it created the Pokemon Universe. Arceus then created Mew who [i]is said[/i] to contain the DNA of all the Pokemon, and then the world was happy-happy.

[The True Ace Attorney]

The Pokédex and random ancient folklore books give us these details. Considering that folklore books rarely contain accurate information and the Pokédex frequently has false information in it, I think it's safe to say that it's all a load of poppycock. Codswallop. Hogwash.

[Jacoby746]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1289532120' post='4778328']
Then the question is posed 'who created Mew?'

Just because it says Arceus was created from an Egg does not mean another Pokemon necessarily had to lay that Egg. Take the situation that this "Egg" was the original matter in the Pokemon Big Bang, and when it exploded it created the Pokemon Universe. Arceus then created Mew who [i]is said[/i] to contain the DNA of all the Pokemon, and then the world was happy-happy.
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The real question is 'What came first, the Arceus or the egg?'

For being a tool of science, the pokedex is very inacurate. But I think they did specify that it was just an unfinished prototype for you to fill with the data.

[Catterjune]

I always thought of the Pokedex as wikipedia, but all the editors were ten year olds and [url=http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5b/Westwood.gif]this guy[/url] was the one and only moderator. At least, that's what the anime tells us, and the video games imply.

And, for a random example, Garchomp can travel at the speed of sound.

[spoiler=lawl, Pokedex][quote]Garchomp, the Mach Pokémon. When it folds up its body and spreads its wings, it can fly like a jet plane at the speed of sound.[/quote]
[quote]When it folds up its body and extends its wings, it looks like a jet plane. It flies at sonic speed.[/quote][/spoiler]

Pidgeot can travel at twice the speed of sound.

[spoiler=Lawl, more pokedex][quote]Pidgeot, the Bird Pokémon. The evolved form of Pidgeotto, it can fly at twice the speed of sound at an altitude of nearly one mile. [/quote]
[quote]This Pokémon flies at Mach 2 speed, seeking prey. Its large talons are feared as wicked weapons. [/quote]
[quote]It spreads its beautiful wings wide to frighten its enemies. It can fly at Mach 2 speed. [/quote]
[quote]It spreads its gorgeous wings widely to intimidate enemies. It races through the skies at Mach-2 speed. [/quote]
[quote]It spreads its beautiful wings wide to frighten its enemies. It can fly at Mach 2 speed.[/quote][/spoiler]

Garchomp's speed stat is higher then Pidgeot's speed stat.

tl;dr - Kadabra's Fire Red Pokedex entry.

[CrabHelmet]

Not to mention its claim that Alakazam has an IQ of 5000. Long story short, the IQ test does not work that way.

[Jacoby746]

at least it didn't say it was over 9000.