YCMthropology

[Anbu-of-Sand]

Please tell me that the unicorn / double rainbow topic has moved on D:

If so, update please? I don't want to read through 10+ pages to know what's happening.

If not, -leaves-

[Flame Dragon]

It ended. We're back on fixing the section. I've given up on my nuke idea and made a better version. Then some one had the idea for subsection to move all member groups to.

Both have had people that dislike.

[Anbu-of-Sand]

And this 'better' version of the nuke idea would be?

[Nexev]

[quote name='Anbu-of-Sand' timestamp='1289613494' post='4780287']
Please tell me that the unicorn / double rainbow topic has moved on D:

If so, update please? I don't want to read through 10+ pages to know what's happening.

If not, -leaves-
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This is why people say Whats the topic.

Not cause random topic switches. But because they are too lazy to look through one page to check.

Just pointing this out flame.

[Flame Dragon]

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Right now I'm hoping this plan will let people see things are going to change. This will also give people some cooling off time and when the threads reopen it can get something of a fresh start. While this is happening I'll make a thread saying the hammer is coming down and the rules will be enforced more. The club leader taking control of their club will also start and I hope that will make things easier for mods since they should be controling there club to some level. IMO the best thing about this idea and what makes it so much better then the first is that should this all fall though their is no problem. Side from a couple weeks of no posts it would just be back to normal as if that never happened.
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I would say you should read the last page but odds are you have 20 posts a page so that post would have been on the last page.

[Dark]

From what I understand Nexev or Revolver or someone created some compromise that we all apparently like. Would someone like to lay out the terms of this compromise for me?

MarbleZone, the clubs moved to Games will essentially be games in themselves. Just a place where cliques of friends can chat. It's not like people who don't want to follow the club rules will make clubs there, because it isn't even a club.

And while I do realize we are now somewhat back on topic (no I mean we used the power of free-flowing conversation to get from unicorns to this YES THAT MUST BE RIGHT <___<), I do want to point out something...

[size="2"][i]Console (as of)
Units Sold (Worldwide Millions)[/i]

[i]Nintendo DS* (30 Sept 2010)[/i]

[i]135.58[/i]

[i]Nintendo Wii (30 Sept 2010)[/i]

[i]75.90[/i]

[i]Sony PSP (16 Sept 2010)[/i]

[i]62.0[/i]

[i]XBOX360 (30 Sept 2010)[/i]

[i]44.6[/i]

[i]PS3 (30 Sept 2010)[/i]

[i]41.6[/i]

[i]*Including DSLite, DSi, and DSiXL consoles.

[/i]Quite interesting.

[/size]

[Flame Dragon]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1289617995' post='4780520']
From what I understand Nexev or Revolver or someone created some compromise that we all apparently like. Would someone like to lay out the terms of this compromise for me?

MarbleZone, the clubs moved to Games will essentially be games in themselves. Just a place where cliques of friends can chat. It's not like people who don't want to follow the club rules will make clubs there, because it isn't even a club.

And while I do realize we are now somewhat back on topic (no I mean we used the power of free-flowing conversation to get from unicorns to this YES THAT MUST BE RIGHT <___<), I do want to point out something...

[size="2"][i]Console (as of)
Units Sold (Worldwide Millions)[/i]

[i]Nintendo DS* (30 Sept 2010)[/i]

[i]135.58[/i]

[i]Nintendo Wii (30 Sept 2010)[/i]

[i]75.90[/i]

[i]Sony PSP (16 Sept 2010)[/i]

[i]62.0[/i]

[i]XBOX360 (30 Sept 2010)[/i]

[i]44.6[/i]

[i]PS3 (30 Sept 2010)[/i]

[i]41.6[/i]

[i]*Including DSLite, DSi, and DSiXL consoles.

[/i]Quite interesting.

[/size]
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They loss post count but keep their chaotic topics while we don't control them as much but get them out of C/O.

Nice try Dark. I know what your doing and I really hope that people won't fall for it again.

[Nexev]

Sorry dark but old news is old.

Anyway the idea was that we move clubs that apply to a subsection of games, or hell, games itself and we had this [C&Q] tag.

That way people are allowed to freeflow and such if they want to, just not get posts for it.

MEanwhile those who stay get to deal with the harsher rules.

[Dark]

Okay, that's a bit like my solution, except the nuking of all current C&O clubs does not exist.

So how do you plan on enforcing the rules for the clubs that choose to stay in C&O? The first post and all subsequent posts until December 31st will be under one rule system, and it will magically change to another. I feel that people will have more traction and will be more likely to follow new rules if they are instituted from the beginning, not halfway in.

[i]Nice try Dark. I know what your doing and I really hope that people won't fall for it again. [/i]

I'm actually not trying to do anything. Until the new rules are established, I still have my right of free-flowing conversation, and so long as I don't post "aje gaebgau ega jgn0aa kjeg akjebgaow0oeabgbajgb0w3ka", I should be absolutely fine. Besides, it was a legitimate topic. D:<

[Nexev]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1289619966' post='4780619']
Okay, that's a bit like my solution, except the nuking of all current C&O clubs does not exist.

So how do you plan on enforcing the rules for the clubs that choose to stay in C&O? The first post and all subsequent posts until December 31st will be under one rule system, and it will magically change to another. I feel that people will have more traction and will be more likely to follow new rules if they are instituted from the beginning, not halfway in.

[i]Nice try Dark. I know what your doing and I really hope that people won't fall for it again. [/i]

I'm actually not trying to do anything. Until the new rules are established, I still have my right of free-flowing conversation, and so long as I don't post [b]"aje gaebgau ega jgn0aa kjeg akjebgaow0oeabgbajgb0w3ka",[/b] I should be absolutely fine. Besides, it was a legitimate topic. D:<
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What if you post "gfndjjgnsodizfkl;a;agklr0a"?

Maybe you should add the new rules one at a time and such so you go about the switch gradualy?

[Flame Dragon]

[quote name='Nexev' timestamp='1289619582' post='4780601']
That way people are allowed to freeflow and such if they want to, just not get posts for it.

MEanwhile those who stay get to deal with the harsher rules.
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Part of the problem with this is that basically all your doing is hiding the stuff the mods don't like. Yes, it's better then what we have now because it not being in sight as much but it's still there, hiding in the back.

You give people the choice of moving from here, the place with "harsh" rules (please tell me how it's harsh to talk about the subject that the thread was made to talk about, I really don't see it), to the place where you can talk about almost anything. Really how many people will stay here? This is a big problem with the idea.

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Maybe you should add the new rules one at a time and such so you go about the switch gradualy?
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Side from the Club Leader rule there are no new rules. Everything I'm saying is already a rule, it's just no one enforces it.

Any way, I want sleep. I will continue in the morning.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

I never fell for it.


The first time he diverted the topic I called him on it =/

[Dad]

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289623576' post='4780745']
I never fell for it.


The first time he diverted the topic I called him on it =/
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When Nintendo creates better multiplayer games, I'll give a damn.

[DL]

[quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1289612755' post='4780247']
It take a lot just to get 1 mod added let alone the number you want. Then we run into the problem that some people think that topics jumping all over the place is a good thing. If some do it is safe to say many others also do. Finding people that don't think that might end up being harder then you'd think. Also my idea of "have club leaders be responible for their club" also works like that. Assuming they are doing what they should be doing they should be able to keep off-topic talk down a lot.

Also 2 or 3 people should be enough so long as 1 of them keeps with it and the others check in every now and then.

Also lets keep the mod talk down. Let us figure out what's happening with this and then we'll see where we're going to go from there.
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I suppose a staff isn't needed so long as club leaders do their job right.

In fact, just the sole fact of that being a new rule (such as "Club Leaders must manage their respective clubs, and make sure it is following the rules of the section. If a club leader fails to manage his club, he will take responsibility for the spam, and be warned" or soemthin) would make the "locking every club and starting over" idea good.

[Shadow Zero]

Warning the club leaders for the spamming of their thread by others? That is just wrong. Deal the punishment out to those who deserve it, and them only. I can understand the logic behind it, but that is like saying 'hey, your friend just stole something from my store, so you have to go to jail with him.

No, just no. I'm sorry, but that just does not work.

[Sploda]

[quote name='Shadow Zero' timestamp='1289691627' post='4782408']
Warning the club leaders for the spamming of their thread by others? That is just wrong. Deal the punishment out to those who deserve it, and them only. I can understand the logic behind it, but that is like saying 'hey, your friend just stole something from my store, so you have to go to jail with him.

No, just no. I'm sorry, but that just does not work.
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The American Judicial System begs to differ.

[Jake the Sage]

*readjusts glasses*

Actually the techniqual term would be "accessory to murder", in most sense, meaning you were there to witness the murder and did nothing to help or you participated in some means other than actually commiting the murder.

[Nexev]

OOOOOOOOH!
Shut down!

But yeah, it;s your club, if you can't run it properly then you're just as fault, if someone is trolling it shouldn't count if you can't get him to leave but that probably won't be held against you.

[Jake the Sage]

I agree. If it is a member within the club and you don't do everything within your power to make them stop then you should be held responsable as well [meaning if they don't stop you also should at least contact a mod]. But if it is something like a troll or someone coming in and flamming then no one but said troll/flamer should be held responsable.

As Shadow said, you wouldn't want the friend of the theif paying for what the theif stole.

[Shadow Zero]

My point exactly, although I had not thought of the thread creator not doing what was needed to keep whatever from happening scenario. Good looking out Jake.

but yeah, other then that, the whole thing is just not good. Punish someone for not keeping their thread in order, I can see that, even if I don't like it to an extent. Punishing them for every little bad thing that someone in their thread does, not acceptable to my standards, way of thinking, rules of fairness, what-have-you. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly.

inb4healreadysaidthat

[Flame Dragon]

[quote name='Shadow Zero' timestamp='1289694145' post='4782476']
but yeah, other then that, the whole thing is just not good. Punish someone for not keeping their thread in order, I can see that, even if I don't like it to an extent. Punishing them for every little bad thing that someone in their thread does, not acceptable to my standards, way of thinking, rules of fairness, what-have-you. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly.

inb4healreadysaidthat
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I'm doing the former. If it was an isolated incident I'm not going to do anything to the club leader. If some random guy comes in and starts spamming up a thread I would never think of punishing any one but him. The times I'm going to do something like that is if there is something like over 100 off topic posts and the club leader did nothing to stop. This would be when I’d warn the club leader. Also odds are his warn won’t be as bad as the people doing the spam (something like 20 to their 30). I came up with this rule cause as the club leader they should have some control of there club. Also it should help control the section more and keep the off topic talking down.

Really, all I want is that the club leader steps in a timely manner (after 40 posts I’d say is when things get out of hand). If he does that I’m not even going to think about warning him with the rest of the group. Also, say there is an explosion of posts and in less then a day it gets 3 pages of off topic posts. I’m still not going to do anything since I can’ expect him to get spend his whole day watching his club. This leads into a beauty of clubs. Since they often have co-leaders to help the leader, they can help maintain control should he be away or something. I’m not sure how I’m going to handle this facet of clubs so feedback is welcomed. ATM I'm just going to have the leader take the hit since in the end it is his responsibility imo.

Also, 1 more not since you brought up fairness. I try to do the best I can to remain fair. That's why I don't want to start enforcing rules after having this area be so lawless for so long. That's also why I'm going through all this and trying to get so much feedback as I can.

[Sploda]

The thing is you can't know if the club leader will be on at all (i.e. gets grounded, loses internet, goes out of town, etc.) and as such can't really watch the club. Also more often than not Club-Leaders tend to be the one's who START the off-topic discussions because they think they can get away with it.

[Flame Dragon]

[quote name='TheCreator94' timestamp='1289704721' post='4783006']
The thing is you can't know if the club leader will be on at all (i.e. gets grounded, loses internet, goes out of town, etc.) and as such can't really watch the club. Also more often than not Club-Leaders tend to be the one's who START the off-topic discussions because they think they can get away with it.
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I talked about the first problem already. If things go out of control in a days time I'm not going to do anything to the leader. While the most time that passes without him stepping in the more likely it would be for me to warn him and the members I would note if his note stepping in is because he can't (I'd just look at his last log in) or if it he just didn't try. Also having co-leaders or something like that to watch the club would help to make this problem less likely to show up.

With a rules redo it should be clear that they can't get away with it. If they want to test it it's there gamble. I can't catch everything but if we had more eyes on this section, like we are hoping to get, it becomes more likely that someone will see them. I'm still hoping to do this restart at the start of next year so I'll be able to use that time to make new rules and clear things up before everything would start spinning again.

One of the things that I liked about the nuke idea was that people would be making the clubs knowing that should things get out of hand in there club they would have some responsibility. While some of this is lost with the freeze idea it still gives them time to accept that things are going to change. I'm also thinking of leaving the rules tread open when I make so people can give feed back on that.

[Shadow Zero]

I have another concern. You said that you were going to get rid of clubs with vague topics, like talking about any which anime. Problem is is that that leads to problems of club locking, and I am pretty sure that the makers of said clubs would be quite unhappy with that. I know I would, seeing as mine is such a club. The thing is that even though the topic is somewhat vague, it still holds a sort of direction that the club moves in conversation wise, and also allows for a certain amount of free-flowing conversation. For example, say Naruto is being compared to Sawada or something like that. Then the topic could move from Naruto to KHR without being off topic. This could also apply to anime where there are video games involved, and so talking about a video game or manga that is also an anime would be acceptable by those standards. My problem is that these clubs allow for topic jumps that are still on topic, and yet you want to get rid of them my question is, why? If there is an anime/manga/video game club with just that as its topic and it never gets off topic while allowing for free flowing convos between people to a certain extent and everyone able to enjoy it, why lock those clubs and say that they cannot be remade the way they were. Forgive me for saying so, but that just seems to be a little overcontrolling, and in my personal opinion, is going to far.

[Flame Dragon]

I don't ever think I said I was going to ban vague topics. All I said was I COULD ban them should ban them should they become a problem. In thinking about it they do have uses. My problem is using an anime thread to talk about naruto video games. When you've reached that point you've started moving in the domain of other topics. There are gray areas though so talking about the manga in relation to the anime is something I'd be fine with. Another problem is how much can be done in these topics. If you make a video game club it's basically going to be able to take every thread in video games and move it into one thread. I get that being open ended is good, but there are points when you can simply have to much space.

However as I said these vague kind of topics can fall under gray areas, so this is something that I would need to see in action before I say if the amount of room they have in their topic is to much.