YCMthropology

[Sploda]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1289020790' post='4765164']
OH MY GOD WHAT IS IT WITH YOU PEOPLE AND BAD ANALOGIES?

The school system is already fine organizationally, and has strict rules already. And I don't even understand your countries analogy.

What you don't seem to get is that [i]all[/i] clubs are being pushed back to the depths of C&O. I can understand a club dying if just this club was locked and reopened a week from now, but the fact that ALL CLUBS ARE STARTING WITH ZERO REPLIES means that the same pattern will happen that is now, the same clubs will be leading in posts, et cetera. Unless you want to believe that all clubs will cease to be active, but we all know that is not even remotely a possibility unless 2012 happens early and we all die literally a second after the clubs are reposted.

This has been quite the heated argument, but now I must sleep.

I hope that you do not argue too much without me, since I seem to be one of the only people actually fighting for and advocating FD's plan.

Good night, sirs.
[/quote]

Good night!

My beef isn't with having to restart, it's the fact that people are trying to find a way to make conversation less flexible.

I swear it's like media censorship on the Internet.

IT WON'T F***ING WORK UNLESS YOU LIVE IN CHINA AND BAN GOOGLE!

[Amethyst Phoenix]

If the clubs are going to be the same, locking them all and forcing reboots does is clutter up the C&O section as if I'd accidentally hit duplicate and made a version of all my files with a (01) at the end =/


"I don't think you get it. When a club is first formed, it only succeeds because it has an interesting topic or all of your friends have joined."

No, I don't think [i]you[/i] get it. This statement is correct, but the key words are "When a club is FIRST FORMED".

It's like an attention getter at the beginning of an essay - it gets you interested and involved without being the entire substance, although it will be referenced back to frequently.

If you think Mushroom Kingdom (or any club for that matter) is only about nintendo and nothing else, you're missing the bigger picture: All clubs are ultimately a coalition of friends coming together to enjoy themselves and socialize. At risk of sounding like YGOTAS Tea, that's the true heart and soul of all clubs: friendship and the bond members share. If you seriously think what you're coming across as thinking, then your perceptions are disturbingly shallow. Read between the lines, Dark.


And free-flowing conversation doesn't always lead to chaos. And sometimes a little chaos is a good thing. We wouldn't be able to even appreciate order without it.


And nuking all the clubs is like pawning all of our childhood toys. Sure we can get through it and re-affirm that WE are what makes it great and not bygone nostalgias, but you're still a prick for doing it and we lose a lot of sentimental value. It's like cutting us off from our past.


Oh, and if everything is going to wind up the same, what's the point?

Either you've completely missed that this changes nothing, or you're lying to our faces to cover your own agenda.

[Blake]

You ARE one of the only people fighting for a flawed plan.

I said there are crooked schools. Such as one school my.... "step-bro" graduated from, where they rigged the star athlete's grades so they could win football games.

United Germany (Club Pikachu) was founded as a monarchy(Pokemon Club). Germany is no longer a monarchy. We should end it, because it is not in its original form(Topic).

Example:
Organization XIII is slower than it used to be. 3 posts a day
New clubs are much more active. 25 posts a day

Which one looks better? The 25 posts a day.

It screws over big clubs that have survived.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

It's nice to get a reply XD


I thought you were ignoring that at first.


And I wasn't accusing you specifically: all the lines you have in those boxes were the nicer snippets from my first, admittedly angry, reaction to the idea. An ego boost was one of the few actual reasons I could think of for doing this, because otherwise it's pointless and I would expect that to be obvious to everyone. Plus I hadn't seen who exactly had raised this idea at that time.


EDIT: Oh dear, the post I was replying to seems to have vanished.


Could someone delete this? XD

[Flame Dragon]

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
So Black told me to post here and that he'd accept me so my post is valid. I guess I'll just start with the less RAEG-ish parts of my first remarks on the issue:
[/quote]
Um....people are free to post in clubs they aren't a part of? I mean how else could you join since most of the time you say "can I join" in a post. Only bringing this up because I don't get that.

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
This is the stupidest proposition I've ever heard.
[/quote]
I've said it a few times, when I first said it was a half joke. I'm only really thinking about it because several other members liked it

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
There is no problem with clubs, you don't need it under extreme control or high organization. It's essentially a giant sea for all our nice little social collectives to drift around in.
[/quote]
Yes there is. It's full of spam. Even if you don't count what I'm calling it as spam, they're have been threads where they were just talking about random crap. I don't want extreme control or high organization, I want SOME. This is because the sea is to big.

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
It hurts nothing. Reigning it in serves no purpose whatsoever than boosting the ego of whoever suggests/enacts this and helping to feed their superiority complex.
[/quote]
So it's ok for threads to talk about anything? And thank you for saying I'm doing this as an ego boost. Yes, I have an eggo at time, but I'm doing this to try to fix a large problem. And how do I have a superiority complex? Really do you think I would just do this out of the blue. I'm testing the idea here, am going to run it by every one in a poll should it have enough people like it here, and then I'm going to give every one at least a month notice about the change. I'm doing everything and best I can to be fair.

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
One club's opinion that all the other clubs should be screwed over is hardly a valid reason for a reset of the entire section.
[/quote]
Please read some of the posts. If you had you would have known this is hardly the last step in this plan.

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
FD, what you fail to realize is that sometimes you make something with a specific purpose in mind and then it goes on to evolve into something new.
[/quote]
Evolving is good, but to much isn't. It needs to have limits. A thread shouldn't start off talking about yugioh and end up talking abuot the office.

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
If every time a club became interested in a new topic it had to splinter into a new club devoted to said topic, C&O would arguably be MORE cluttered.
[/quote]
Who’s to say they would be interested enough to go make a new thread? If it’s just a passing mention only to move on to the next flavor of the week then I don’t see new clubs coming up. Plus how can the branch off if they’re sticking with the topic? Plus most of the major topics already have a thread for it.

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
Why should we have to compartmentalize our social interaction (that's what C&O is: socialization using a shared interest as a magnet to draw people together) just because we want something new to discuss?
[/quote]
Again, you shouldn’t end up talking about something new. You share that interest and you should try to maximize it. And really, but changing topics at the rate I see them you aren’t getting any real discussion out of it.

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
It's annoying on the same level that spoilers on every single card in CC is: It's like having to remove plastic wrap from every page of a book. All the topics in any given club are part of the same book: why wrap them all up and constrict the life out of them?
[/quote]
Yes because Naruto, Brawl, House, and Angry Video Game Nerd are all 1 topic.

I hate the new forum and it's quote limit
>_>

Posting more in a sec

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
In fact, the same thing happened to YCM as whole: the original purpose of the site was Yugioh. However, it branched off into other things, such as the general social environment. Because we're constantly evolving, people that don't even care about Yugioh are still here in places such as general.
[/quote]
And yet to accommodate those growths new sections were added, but you know that.

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
This same reasoning for not compartmentalizing our social experience is why YCM has multiple sections, instead of there being entirely separate forums (as in websites) for things such as General and Video Games. In fact, you started off moderating one such evolution didn't you?: the Video Games section. Do you think your video games section is spam that defaces YCM as a whole?

I didn't think so.
[/quote]
Most forums have sections where you talk about other things, it’s because we have more then one interest. However as said they don’t condense them into one. Hell, we tried doing that. For some time we had a thread for all video talk. It failed because it was impossible to give each idea its own space. Idea needs space to grow and by talking abut 5 different things you strangle them and don’t let them reach their full potential.

And no, the video game section isn’t spam, because each thread is its own contained idea and everything that goes on in the section relates to video games.

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289016864' post='4765036']
As for post count, it's just a damn number. People worried about post count being fluffed are just as bad as the people going "lol +1 post count".
[/quote]
But people care about it. And there is a problem with getting high post counts for no reason. New members see people with high post counts as role models on how to succeed, but they can end up setting a bad example for the new members. I do see your point though and it is a valid one.


[quote name='Fading Black' timestamp='1289018161' post='4765072']
For Pokemon you need, at very least, two threads.

Anime/Manga
Video Games

Oh, let's cut it down further.

Anime Thread
Manga Thread (Technically, could be cut down into RBG, Y, GS, C, RS, E, DP, Pl, BW)
Manga that is a ripoff of the Anime, but in no way the same.

They ARE seperate.

Pokemon RBGY
Pokemong GSC
Pokemon RSE
Pokemon DPPl
Pokemon BW

Also, where would you discuss things like Pokemon Online and Shoddy?
[/quote]
We don't need threads for the old gens. Really the only D/P/Pl and B/W need threads and odds are they would just get grouped together. Same goes with Shoddy since it's all about series pokemon playing and odds are those two threads will lead there. I don't see manga alone getting a lot of posts, so I think having anime grouped in would give the thread more to talk about.

[quote name='TheCreator94' timestamp='1289018325' post='4765079']
@Flame
Well if we are going to do this, then I suggest you see Fusion's post and implement both of those rules.

If I can't convince you not to go through with this, at the very least I can make sure the idea works.
[/quote]
The, 5 word posts, and the leader rule? As I've said before the leader rule is the one I'm pushing. No matter what happens it would be nice to have a new system in place next year and odds are the club leader being responsible for their clubs is going to be one that I push. The word one is basic and kind of goes with out saying.

[quote=PR]
I think OOC has post count disable too.

The thing is, while we can talk about the topic in the club, even if it doesn't match with the clubs intended purpose, it's harder to get the people in the club to go to a completely different thread since they just wouldn't be interested, so it's easier for them to post when it's in the club already.

The Bleach discussion stemmed from our thoughts on the tournament's rules for next year, although I admit that the topic really would be best suited for the main tournament thread, since it's entire purpose is to allow discussion for the tournament. Again, it's a case of getting a discussion going on in a place that's more likely to reply.
[/quote]
OOC? I can't figure out what that is.

Then keep it out of the thread really. And I get that you can drift off topic and I'm fine with some, but it shouldn't happen often and when it does it should be fixed quickly.

[quote=Clair]
Flame, if we followed your guidelines, every club would basically be a "general discussion of _____" thread. We already have those in other sections. xD

I know turning off post count may be a chore, but it seems widely favored here.
[/quote]
Yea I know. When we had like 3 different pokemon threads going at once (2 Vg, 2 here) it's a pain. But even if you didn't follow my guidelines on paper it would still look the same.

[quote=RA]
I think conversation should flow naturally, rather than having to shoehorn every thing you say into some robotic, artificial frame =/
[/quote]
The natural flow should be able to happen in a frame so long as it's big enough.

With that I really want to call it a night. I'll check back real fast to see if any one else posted (at least 10 posts were made as I've written my last two) but after that I'll be signing off for the night.

YAY FOR QUOTE LIMITS >_>

And yes I missed posts. To many were made while I was posting this. I'll cover the others in the morning. Light and remember, THE MODS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT [color=white]Joking[/color]

fyi I can't even edit the post. so I'm just making more posts as a way to add on stuff to the above

And with that I will go to sleep

[Sploda]

@Flame
Alright then I have no problems with that idea.

Simple plan:

1. Clubs with over 500 posts of Spam OR are nothing but Spam get locked.
2. New Rule implemented: The Club Leader sets what constitutes as Spam and the Mods check the threads (focusing on the STICKIES first since those are the first seen) every so often to make sure the members are following that rule.
3. (Since no one will if you don't.) Impose new minimum 5 words/sentence per post rule.
4. Watch for a few months to see results.
5. Move on.

@Ammy
I can agree with both sides so I'm going to have to hold off on commenting to much.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

Honestly I don't think I'm going to make a big reply on the level of my first one, because a lot of it would be dead horse beating and re-affirmation of previous arguments. I trust we can all manage to not forget what I said a page ago? XD



Anyway, the first part of that before I addressed you directly was snippets from my original reaction to this: Before I had read any of this thread. I think knowing that context is important, as do I think the initial reaction might help to convey some of my feelings.

So, your view on this matter is that Clubs is too disorganized, and you're worried that it will become too cluttered and unmanageable if we don't keep each club's discussion strictly to a specific topic, correct?


However, the same problem can happen when people have several ideas on varying subjects, and thus are forced to slot them into their own separate threads for the sake of organization. The entire section is a cluttered mess of small vignettes. It's at the opposite end of the spectrum, but attain the same effect. *Hot and Cold both burning you at extremes analogy goes here*

My platform is this: While clubs may get out of control rather often, they rarely plunge into utter chaos (the ones that do ultimately fail anyway). They maintain some shred of order, and always reach equilibrium. I believe what we have now is a happy medium situated safely away from both of those horrible extremes. I know I haven't been around as long as some of the people here, but I've been present long enough to make an observation over a reasonable period of time. I think we're fine the way we are, and that your new stricter management coupled with a forced reboot of all the clubs is an unnecessary hiccup that will ultimately fade away even if you do go through with it. Why not just save everyone the pain of that?


@THE MODS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT: NO U! ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH! ;D

[Sploda]

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289022541' post='4765205']
My platform is this: While clubs may get out of control rather often, they [b]rarely plunge into utter chaos (the ones that do ultimately fail anyway).[/b] They maintain some shred of order, and always reach equilibrium. I believe what we have now is a happy medium situated safely away from both of those horrible extremes. I know I haven't been around as long as some of the people here, but I've been present long enough to make an observation over a reasonable period of time. I think we're fine the way we are, and that your new stricter management coupled with a forced reboot of all the clubs is an unnecessary hiccup that will ultimately fade away even if you do go through with it. Why not just save everyone the pain of that?


@THE MODS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT: NO U! ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH! ;D
[/quote]

@Bold
Umm... The FTK begs to differ, it only failed because it was locked.

Just saying.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

I'm not opposed to mod intervention in extreme cases such as that.



However, that is exactly what it is: an [i]extreme[/i] case. Meaning it's atypical for a club to degrade to such levels that a lock is required.

[Sploda]

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289022903' post='4765211']
I'm not opposed to mod intervention in extreme cases such as that.



However, that is exactly what it is: an [i]extreme[/i] case. Meaning it's atypical for a club to degrade to such levels that a lock is required.
[/quote]

Actually we were fine, much like a fusion of RP820 and Organization XIII + a little extra.

We got locked because some guy didn't like us being around.

[Icy]

Derr... Creator, shrink your sig "...

[Sploda]

@Icy
Sig Shrunk, as request.

Anything else?

[Phantom Roxas]

OOC is the Out-Of-Character Roleplaying Subsection.

[Dark]

Flame Dragon... your post looks like crap. And yes, MyBB didn't have quote limits, guys.

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289021140' post='4765171']
If the clubs are going to be the same, locking them all and forcing reboots does is clutter up the C&O section as if I'd accidentally hit duplicate and made a version of all my files with a (01) at the end =/


"I don't think you get it. When a club is first formed, it only succeeds because it has an interesting topic or all of your friends have joined."

No, I don't think [i]you[/i] get it. This statement is correct, but the key words are "When a club is FIRST FORMED".

It's like an attention getter at the beginning of an essay - it gets you interested and involved without being the entire substance, although it will be referenced back to frequently.

If you think Mushroom Kingdom (or any club for that matter) is only about nintendo and nothing else, you're missing the bigger picture: All clubs are ultimately a coalition of friends coming together to enjoy themselves and socialize. At risk of sounding like YGOTAS Tea, that's the true heart and soul of all clubs: friendship and the bond members share. If you seriously think what you're coming across as thinking, then your perceptions are disturbingly shallow. Read between the lines, Dark.


And free-flowing conversation doesn't always lead to chaos. And sometimes a little chaos is a good thing. We wouldn't be able to even appreciate order without it.


And nuking all the clubs is like pawning all of our childhood toys. Sure we can get through it and re-affirm that WE are what makes it great and not bygone nostalgias, but you're still a prick for doing it and we lose a lot of sentimental value. It's like cutting us off from our past.


Oh, and if everything is going to wind up the same, what's the point?

Either you've completely missed that this changes nothing, or you're lying to our faces to cover your own agenda.
[/quote]

So is it wrong of me to believe that a club is a coalition of friends [i]discussing[/i] a certain topic?

Unless you want every club to run rampant and talk about whatever the hell they feel like. Because that seems quite organized and quite efficient (and takes no effort at all!).

I don't think you understand that free-flowing conversations are still encouraged, but there is a cut-off to where something free-flowing can get into bad territory. In General, going off the topic of the thread constitutes as spam, right? In C&O, when the topic is constantly changing, why should everything pertaining to THAT topic be allowed? A conversation can go from Mario to racing to NASCAR to Southern hicks to George Bush to politics to terrorism to the mosque at Ground Zero to religion to cavemen to biological history, but the only thing that actually pertains to The Mushroom Kingdom is Mario. If you want to talk about NASCAR, or politics, or cavemen, make a seperate club. I don't understand the logic behind allowing all of those topics to be discussed under the shield of "it was a free-flowing conversation". :/

[quote name='TheCreator94' timestamp='1289022021' post='4765196']
@Flame
Alright then I have no problems with that idea.

Simple plan:

1. Clubs with over 500 posts of Spam OR are nothing but Spam get locked.
2. New Rule implemented: The Club Leader sets what constitutes as Spam and the Mods check the threads (focusing on the STICKIES first since those are the first seen) every so often to make sure the members are following that rule.
3. (Since no one will if you don't.) Impose new minimum 5 words/sentence per post rule.
4. Watch for a few months to see results.
5. Move on.

@Ammy
I can agree with both sides so I'm going to have to hold off on commenting to much.
[/quote]

We all know how well the Advanced Clause worked in RP, right? It didn't work, from what I've heard (I don't go to RP). Literally, an on-topic non-spam reply to a post can just be a YouTube link, but according to point number three, that'd be spam?

The Club Leader should not constitute what is considered spam. I could open a club and say this club discusses everything, and absolutely nothing (short of 'auoegbh' posts) is considered spam.

Now, let me ask you. We all agree that C&O needs stricter rules because the forum is a wad of crap right now. If you don't want to institute the major lockage plan, how could we possibly mend clubs to abide by stricter rules? And [i]what[/i] would those rules be? I'm willing to compromise (but it doesn't seem you all are) because I could care less what happens to C&O; in fact, I could care less if C&O continued to be this shitty forum full of spam. But since the topic came up to amend C&O and make it better, I am fighting for amendments and the enforcement of those amendments.

Can you give me and FD and everyone else a single thing we can do to actually make C&O better? And how to you plan on enforcing new rules if people are already in the routine of spamming in C&O? My logic is that if we start anew (and if every club starts anew), rules can be enforced from post [b]one[/b], as opposed to the club going through 2590 posts under the old rules and post 2591 starts under the new rules.

But apparently you think that spamming is a-okay, don't you? Well, I'd like a bit of an explanation on that.

Your logic is that C&O is a fun-fun place where people chill and hang out. Okay... the entire internet should be a fun-fun place where people chill and hang out. But of course, rules are instituted in every forum and board across the internet, and the ones that thrive are those who enforce their rules with a bit of wiggle room. I don't want C&O to turn into a dictatorship, but if it stays how it is now, it will go downhill (much like General did, if you have been there as long as I have).

Here's the best solution: move every club into Games and don't put any restriction or rule (outside of 'suyehsh' posts are not allowed). Surely that makes us all happy, right?

[Ice.]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1289064900' post='4766032']
Here's the best solution: move every club into Games and don't put any restriction or rule (outside of 'suyehsh' posts are not allowed). Surely that makes us all happy, right?
[/quote]

...Subsection of Games?

Because Clubs and Games won't mix well in the same forum.

[.Starrk]

[quote name='Ice' timestamp='1289072613' post='4766433']
...Subsection of Games?

Because Clubs and Games won't mix well in the same forum.
[/quote]

I would have to agree with Ice. If people come in and just post in a club thinking it's a game.......

[Amethyst Phoenix]

I think C&O is fine the way it is right now.


If you want to keep the clubs you frequent up to your standards of order, then I applaud you for making such an effort. However, what goes on in all the other clubs is none of your business, Dark.

And if you don't care what happens to C&O anyway, why are you even trying to change anything? Is it some game to quell your boredom? We have no need for your apathetic doctrine.


And throwing C&O into games does nothing but disable the post count (Which is meaningless) and satisfy your mind's desire to stop people from getting post count from things that don't meet your standards for a quality post. Who the hell made you the judge of the internet?


"This is a chill fun-fun place...oh but it needs strict rules to be that way" is basically what you're saying, and it's the most idiotic thing I've seen come out of your mouth in the time I've known you.

[Dark]

[quote name='Ice' timestamp='1289072613' post='4766433']
...Subsection of Games?

Because Clubs and Games won't mix well in the same forum.
[/quote]

Err... that wasn't a serious suggestion. Since we all know that half of this forum would b**** about losing post count, and it would cause even more trouble than this major thread lockage would.

At least the thread lockage doesn't make us lose post count we've already gained in C&O, whereas moving the clubs to Games would make us lose the post count. Not that anyone [i]should[/i] care, but you know sure as hell they do.

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289093230' post='4767183']
I think C&O is fine the way it is right now.

[b]Okay, and that's why we have different opinions on this issue. I'm glad you (partially) understand. =D[/b]

If you want to keep the clubs you frequent up to your standards of order, then I applaud you for making such an effort. However, what goes on in all the other clubs is none of your business, Dark.

[b]And by extension, it isn't any of the mods' business. I'm assuming that your logic is you shouldn't meddle around with other people's creations, which is flawed logic in itself. It may not be any of my business, but many of us agree that C&O is turning into a huge pile of crap. And if we're going to make any major change to the forum, it affects [i]every single club[/i]. I don't care what goes on in other clubs, and I could care less if everyone spammed their ass off. But since Flame Dragon wants a major change in C&O (and I agree with him in every regard), it affects all of the clubs, and by extension I have to care if I want any change to happen.[/b]

And if you don't care what happens to C&O anyway, why are you even trying to change anything? Is it some game to quell your boredom? We have no need for your apathetic doctrine.

[b]Look, I could care less if people spam. Hell, I'd admit that I've spammed somewhat in C&O as well. But in general it is making C&O a stupider place (implying that YCM isn't already stupid enough). As I mentioned before, Flame Dragon wants to change C&O, and I agree with him. But do I care if anything actually gets changed? Not really, I am simply fighting for a cause that would benefit the forum. It personally doesn't affect me, and I won't change because of it. But if I believe it is going to benefit the forum, should I subdue my passion and not fight for it?[/b]

And throwing C&O into games does nothing but disable the post count (Which is meaningless) and satisfy your mind's desire to stop people from getting post count from things that don't meet your standards for a quality post. Who the hell made you the judge of the internet?

[b]It was a joke suggestion, if you haven't already realized it. And disabling post count does not stop spam, and personally I believe the inverse would happen. I don't really care if you are stubborn enough to refute the fact that C&O has a ton of spam, and you seem to be perfectly fine with it. Many are not. And many also want the quality of C&O to be better, but don't want a major lockage of threads. So give Flame Dragon another viable option. Oh, unless you want it to stay like this. Which is stupid in its own regard.[/b]

"This is a chill fun-fun place...oh but it needs strict rules to be that way" is basically what you're saying, and it's the most idiotic thing I've seen come out of your mouth in the time I've known you.

[b]"We should spam to our heart's content, and use the ruse that it is a free-flowing conversation." Everywhere else in YCM there is some sense of organization, and spamming and getting off-topic is frowned upon. But obviously you love this forum so much that you don't want to see a thing changed and you don't want to change anything about the way you conduct yourself in this forum. I may not consider it the stupidest thing you've ever said, but it is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.[/b]
[/quote]

[Amethyst Phoenix]

I'll just summarize the wall of text I was going to post with a numbered list:

1. Dark thinks he understands my argument but doesn't.

2. Dark keeps using that word (Passion)...I don't think it means what he thinks it means. "Not Caring" and "Passionate" are on opposite ends of the spectrum o' give-a-damn

3. The extension doesn't go on to being none of the mods' business, it's just none of Dark's business. Dark is not a mod.

4. I can see a distinction between spam and free-flowing conversation. I don't like spam either. I forgot to address this in response to Dark earlier, because I just assumed it was that obvious. Apparently it wasn't.

5. *Witty Remarks*

6. I don't think we need to give Flame Dragon a viable option. HE'S the super moderator, it's his responsibility to come up with an actual valid option that isn't admittedly a joke. Go back a few pages: he says it's crazy and mostly a joke anyway. Dark doesn't think his "migrate clubs to games" is a valid option (and got pissy with me for thinking he thought that) because i was a joke. So then why in the world does Dark think FD's joke idea is valid? *Cries of hypocrisy*

[Dark]

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1289094980' post='4767293']
I'll just summarize the wall of text I was going to post with a numbered list:

1. Dark thinks he understands my argument but doesn't.

[b]Absolutely, I don't understand a word of your argument nor your logic. =D[/b]

2. Dark keeps using that word (Passion)...I don't think it means what he thinks it means. "Not Caring" and "Passionate" are on opposite ends of the spectrum o' give-a-damn

[b]Okay, let's put it this way. I would be very happy if C&O wasn't a shithole a few months down the line, but it doesn't personally affect me and I can go around spamming if I need to. It would benefit the forum if some change was instituted, but when it all comes down to it, it couldn't affect me less.[/b]

3. The extension doesn't go on to being none of the mods' business, it's just none of Dark's business. Dark is not a mod.

[b]How is not my business if I am advocating for this thread lock to be instituted? I can't warn someone for spamming, but I can say (and prove, by rules from ANY OTHER FORUM) that they are spamming.[/b]

4. I can see a distinction between spam and free-flowing conversation. I don't like spam either. I forgot to address this in response to Dark earlier, because I just assumed it was that obvious. Apparently it wasn't.

[b]Would you like to spell out the difference between spam and a free-flowing conversation? If I go from Mario to racing to NASCAR... basically, what I said earlier, is that entire thing part of a free-flowing conversation and should not be considered spam? Even when cavemen have nothing to do with Nintendo, video games, or anything remotely viable that the Mushroom Kingdom could even attempt to talk about?[/b]

5. *Witty Remarks*

[b]*Witty Responses*[/b]

6. I don't think we need to give Flame Dragon a viable option. HE'S the super moderator, it's his responsibility to come up with an actual valid option that isn't admittedly a joke. Go back a few pages: he says it's crazy and mostly a joke anyway. Dark doesn't think his "migrate clubs to games" is a valid option (and got pissy with me for thinking he thought that) because i was a joke. So then why in the world does Dark think FD's joke idea is valid? *Cries of hypocrisy*

[b]Because how is migrating Clubs to Games a viable option? It disables post count which [i]even more[/i] people are going to get pissy about, and it doesn't change much else except it allows for spamming. So if you'd like to institute make C&O a subsection of Games, go right ahead. And we'll see how many people bash your skull in because they lost upwards of 2000 posts.
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[b]And yes, I understand that FD thought his idea was a joke. But frankly, I do believe it's absolutely viable. New rules are instituted and clubs are locked. The clubs are remade and every post thereafter is under the jurisdiction of the new rule system. I, myself, would love if we could just reopen the threads and not have them be remade. But how does it make sense to have 740 posts of a club under one rule system (or rather, a lack of a rule system) and have post 741 start from a new rule system?
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[b]So you want FD to come up with something? Well, he already has, and to me, it's viable. And while I don't represent the entire C&O population, there is a shitton of logic defending his plan. You are the people of C&O, and I'm sure you'd love to decide how you want C&O handled. The mods (or, at the very least, Flame Dragon) probably don't want to run a tyranny here, but if you cannot come up with a solution, either use theirs or don't solve a thing.[/b]

[b]But you obviously believe doing whatever you want in C&O is a-okay. Great opinion, ol' chap![/b]
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[Shadow Zero]

I personally think that moderating our own threads is a good idea, and how things should be. However, I do not htink that either of the options set forward are acceptable.

Dark, stop causing fights and mind your own.

Ammy, you're feeding the [s]trolls[/s] busybodys. Knock it off.


Can someone please tell me why an intelligent thread about how to help make the forum better has devolved into petty bickering?

[Dark]

[quote name='Z.E.R.A.' timestamp='1289095724' post='4767335']
I personally think that moderating our own threads is a good idea, and how things should be. However, I do not htink that either of the options set forward are acceptable.

[b]Because trusting thread-creators with making decent rules and warning people is such a good idea.[/b]

Dark, stop causing fights and mind your own.

[b]ITT: [i]I[/i] am causing fights.[/b]

Ammy, you're feeding the [s]trolls[/s] busybodys. Knock it off.

[b]ITT: I am trolling.[/b]

Can someone please tell me why an intelligent thread about how to help make the forum better has devolved into petty bickering?

[b]Because this thread deals with YCM and YCM policy, and FD proposed a plan that changes the policy of C&O, which is in YCM.[/b]
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[Sploda]

Can I just say something?

How about we move on to something else? FD has already taken consideration and will implement the plan he likes the best, there is no point in arguing it further to anyone but FD via PM.

As such I have a simple suggestion for you two, Dark and Ammy.

Shut the F*** up.

[Dark]

So apparently supporting an idea results in some dude I don't even know telling me to stfu up.

Right, I fully understand the logic.

I agree, then, let's move onto something else. All this fighting makes me want to go to hell, and I don't like hell. I like heaven. Someone told me there are unicorns in heaven. Let's discuss unicorns, guys! ^_____^

[Jake the Sage]

I would agree with Creator. If FD has already began to diliberate then there is little reason to continue arguing amongst ourselves- or more specifically amongst the two of you.