YCMthropology

[Smesh]

Weren't there originally 3? Huntar, Icy, J-Max?

Just replace J-Max and Huntar. They don't exactly need to be assigned to PC, CC, or RC like they were, but choosing members out of those sections would probably be a good idea.

[Anbu-of-Sand]

[quote name='Smesh' timestamp='1287961365' post='4733583']
Weren't there originally 3? Huntar, Icy, J-Max?

[b]Just replace J-Max and Huntar.[/b] They don't exactly need to be assigned to PC, CC, or RC like they were, but choosing members out of those sections would probably be a good idea.
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[strike]ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME[/strike]

No but seriously, I would glad to be a Mod for Custom Cards, but I do not fill the requirements. I believe Icy had said that you had to be active / be a good role model in all of the Forums in Custom Cards, and seeing I'm only active in Realistic Cards Forum at the moment....

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

[quote name='Anbu-of-Sand' timestamp='1287961787' post='4733612']
[s]ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME[/s]

No but seriously, I would glad to be a Mod for Custom Cards, but I do not fill the requirements. I believe Icy had said that you had to be active / be a good role model in all of the Forums in Custom Cards, and seeing I'm only active in Realistic Cards Forum at the moment....
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By those standards, very very few members could be a mod. Also, I don't know of a single member who is active in all the forums of CC.

[Deustodo]

Yes, same problem with me, It would be great if I moderate AoC section, since it where I spend most of my RC time. But I would also need to look at the other sections. But I think I would get used to it. I'm very active.

[Dark]

You cannot put a definitive number on how many mods a section needs. Rather, you should just play it by ear (or rather, sight), and see how CC handles two mods, and then three mods. If the forum seems to be getting progressively better, add mods until it seems perfected- to a point.

[quote name='SaTuRnPaLaDiN' timestamp='1287953756' post='4733090']
THANK YOU!

The Custom Cards section is easily the most active section on the site - and NEEDS more than one moderator - period.
[/quote]

Absolutely, that should be common sense at this point. No matter how good of a job Icy does, he cannot moderator the entire section.

[quote name='Clair' timestamp='1287956946' post='4733314']
Introductions could use a new mod.
But it isn't really a priority right now.

For me, the modship priorities right now are in

- Realistic Cards and/or Custom Cards
- Role-playing

That's just my opinion, of course.
[/quote]

Intro can be modded by whoever is in charge of General, and on that note, we need a second General mod. MarbleZone has been doing a good job, I agree, but I do think General has its problems, especially with the subsections. Polls is pretty bad, C&O is in a later post in this post, and Games is just lol. I don't think it's too necessary, but not only to take off some work from MarbleZone, but also to mod subsections we need a second one.

[quote name='Clair' timestamp='1287957606' post='4733366']
xD
Exactly.

As Darklink brought up, I too think C&O needs another mod. You can get away with literally anything there.
If Introductions is the +1 part of the forum, then Clubs and Organizations must be the +9001 part of the forum.
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C&O doesn't need a specified mod, but it does need a set of guidelines that must be followed by every club- and enforced strictly. There are C&O rules in place, but c'mon, how many of you are in another club? You've seen your fair share of shitty +1 posts, and while one or two don't matter, twenty or thirty do matter.

[quote name='♥Łövëły Ċ.Ċ♥' timestamp='1287958488' post='4733417']
Dear gawd Dx why do you guys go through so damn quick!? I just got done reading the posts i missed and you guys just doubled the load T.T thanks.
[/quote]

Don't worry; once this club gets to around 30+ pages, people will post significantly less. A club is most popular when it opens, generally.

[Icy]

No there were more.

Browarod, TotalObelisk, DJ Raver, God Kaze, Hunter, Hioco, J-Max, Umbra, Yankeefan and myself (10 total incase you can't count). And we're assigned mutually. There is no such thing as mod abuse, just stuff you don't agree with. There isn't a vote system either, there would be only further arguments and cause MORE problems. 3 wouldn't do it, stop that fallacy. Hell, I can do it as I am standing here. However, more would be [i]liked[/i], not needed.

Members just need to learn to speak up individually with me, I don't care about a group, I care about the individual.

@Above: Shush, I asked and yea you're good there but apparently little else. Looks like what me and LCC talked about is upheld. Also, I HAAAATE it when people say they'd be good for this and this. If you were good enough you wouldn't have to say anything at all.

[Shadow Zero]

You say there is no such thing as mod abuse, but I have heard a bit of your history, and I don't like what I hear. Whether you want to admit it or not, there is such a thing. That's why you are not a Super anymore, is it not?

Also, allow me to rephrase part of what was said earlier. CC needs more ACTIVE mods.

[Deustodo]

Oh, I'm sorry then. I didn't mean to sound rude or full of myself.

[♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1287962073' post='4733629']
No there were more.

Browarod, TotalObelisk, DJ Raver, God Kaze, Hunter, Hioco, J-Max, Umbra, Yankeefan and myself (10 total incase you can't count). And we're assigned mutually. There is no such thing as mod abuse, just stuff you don't agree with. There isn't a vote system either, there would be only further arguments and cause MORE problems. 3 wouldn't do it, stop that fallacy. Hell, I can do it as I am standing here. However, more would be [i]liked[/i], not needed.

Members just need to learn to speak up individually with me, I don't care about a group, I care about the individual.

@Above: Shush, I asked and yea you're good there but apparently little else. Looks like what me and LCC talked about is upheld. Also, I HAAAATE it when people say they'd be good for this and this. If you were good enough you wouldn't have to say anything at all.
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Quite honestly, I think I'd be a good mod but we've already talked about that Josh. I've already accepted that I may someday be promoted to Mod I may not, what happens happens. I'll not forcably try. I will however try to become more active in all the forums (not for modship sake but because I want to).

[Ice.]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1287940282' post='4732290']
There are a lot of rules already that result in Instant banning and these days I do PM a member when they have broken a rule (before I used to leave it up to the responsibility of the member but that's terribly optimistic for YCM don't you think?).
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Oh please, that scares the people away. Instant banning is to harsh. Warning them would be better, in my opinion.

[Icy]

Ash, you're at the top of my list, so lets keep it modest kay?

[♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥]

Lol, only thing i flaunt is my hawts ;D lol jk jk.

[Dark]

So, I'm not one for defending Icy, but it seems some people either cannot read or are taking this the wrong way.

First, Ice, Icy already clarified that the only actions that could potentially result in instant-banning are pornography in pictures or trolling, two offenses that [i]even in General[/i] constitute instant-banning. I doubt he could be stupid enough to ban someone for spamming or flaming, although I've received bans like that from other mods back in the day.

Second, Icy was demoted from Super Mod because, [color="#000000"]"...[size="2"][size="2"]because my actions as a super are as you said it, too emotional. However my actions in Custom Cards are quite logical..." (MSN) While self-claiming isn't a foolproof art, I do admit that I believe Icy despite not being in CC at all.

Can anybody produce [b]a single iota of evidence[/b] that Icy makes a bad CC mod, as it seems you all are claiming?

[size="2"][color="#545454"][size="2"][color="#545454"]Dark says:

[/color][/size][/color][/size][font="Calibri"][size="2"][font="Calibri"][size="2"]*Do you allow people to contest warns via PM?

[/size][/font][/size][/font][size="2"][color="#545454"][size="2"][color="#545454"]Josh T. [Icy] says:

[/color][/size][/color][/size][font="Times New Roman"][size="2"][color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"][size="2"][color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"][size="2"][color="#0000ff"]*Yes, provided they show no hostility and remain calm. Of course.

[/color][/size][/font][/color][/size][/font][/color][/size][/font][size="2"][color="#545454"][size="2"][color="#545454"]Dark says:

[/color][/size][/color][/size][font="Calibri"][size="2"][font="Calibri"][size="2"]*Ugh, people are complete retards, it seems.

[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/size][/color]

[Ice.]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1287962940' post='4733678']
So, I'm not one for defending Icy, but it seems some people either cannot read or are taking this the wrong way.

First, Ice, Icy already clarified that the only actions that could potentially result in instant-banning are pornography in pictures or trolling, two offenses that [i]even in General[/i] constitute instant-banning. I doubt he could be stupid enough to ban someone for spamming or flaming, although I've received bans like that from other mods back in the day.
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Dark, I wasn't against Icy. All I said was that insta-banning didn't seem right.

Well then, what does he do to the morons that just post "nyc card mahn 4/6." and crap.

Besides, never said Icy was a bad mod. Only said that we need to up it's rules.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1287962073' post='4733629']
No there were more.

Browarod, TotalObelisk, DJ Raver, God Kaze, Hunter, Hioco, J-Max, Umbra, Yankeefan and myself (10 total incase you can't count). And we're assigned mutually. There is no such thing as mod abuse, just stuff you don't agree with. There isn't a vote system either, there would be only further arguments and cause MORE problems. 3 wouldn't do it, stop that fallacy. Hell, I can do it as I am standing here. However, more would be [i]liked[/i], not needed.
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Most of those names I've either never heard of or have only just heard of them. I try to be as active as possible, and I've seen several mod names over and over again (ex You, Yin, Pika, Flame Dragon, etc.). Also, of course there is mod abuse. 99% of anyone who has ever come to power in any way, shape or form has abused that power, whether it be in a big way or a small way. I'm not saying mod abuse is the norm, it most certainly isn't. But, if you were to look back over every case of mod intervention I'm sure you'd find one that was abusive. As for coming to you more on a 1 on 1 format, yes you are right about that.

[quote name='Ice' timestamp='1287962629' post='4733657']
Oh please, that scares the people away. Instant banning is to harsh. Warning them would be better, in my opinion.
[/quote]
Agreed. Unless it's a severe case, a warning should do. Even trolls deserve warnings for the first offense. Now, the severity of the warning is something you could figure on a case by case basis, but an instant permaban for this kinda thing is a bit excessive.

[Dark]

DO YOU NOT READ?

Icy does not go out and ban any random person that he sees. While he may have done that in General, I won't comment on. But in RC, he most obviously only hands out instant-bans for people who [b]severely break YCM rules, that being pornography, trolling, and possibly flooding since we are talking about RC[/b]. You cannot say that Icy bans random people, and if you'd like to say that, please provide evidence.

From what Icy has been telling me over MSN, warnings go from a case-by-case basis, and if you feel you were improperly warned, you can always act like a civilized human being and PM him about it.

[Ice.]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1287963531' post='4733722']
DO YOU NOT READ?

Icy does not go out and ban any random person that he sees. While he may have done that in General, I won't comment on. But in RC, he most obviously only hands out instant-bans for people who [b]severely break YCM rules, that being pornography, trolling, and possibly flooding since we are talking about RC[/b]. You cannot say that Icy bans random people, and if you'd like to say that, please provide evidence.

From what Icy has been telling me over MSN, warnings go from a case-by-case basis, and if you feel you were improperly warned, you can always act like a civilized human being and PM him about it.


[/quote]

Was this targeted to me, Dark?

Because I never said that he bans random people. Hell, I LIKE Icy. >_>

[Icy]

[quote name='Ice' timestamp='1287963148' post='4733692']
Well then, what does he do to the morons that just post "nyc card mahn 4/6." and crap.
[/quote]

Honestly? It genuinely depends. There are a lot of factors that go into warning people. With few ultimatums (Dark elaborated on a couple but there are still so few it's negligible). Here's what I said to Dark over MSN explaining it. (Removing his words for generalizations to keep privacy).
[spoiler]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:33 PM):
*You'd say it better if you like
*But it's basically
*I have varying degrees of how severely I warn people, based on how much of a veteran they are to the board.
[color="#FF0000"][Dark Disagrees][/color]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:33 PM):
*What?
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:34 PM):
*I'd PM a user for that of course
*But hardly a warn
[color="#FF0000"][Message from Dark about how X number of posts does not dictate veteran status][/color]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:34 PM):
*Then I'd connect it to how active you have been in CC
*And I do generally pay attention
[color="#FF0000"][Dark asks how I can claim activity][/color]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:35 PM):
*Outside a severe rule break, with newbies there is a certain expectancy of how much they know about rules. As many people don't read them when they first join or even get active. They often play it by ear. That's where I let social activity take over.
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:36 PM):
*If it gets severe and people don't help or that user refuses to listen. I would intervene and give that user what they deserve.
*Hell, yesterday was a good example. I post locked a newbie for refusing to listen.
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:37 PM):
*Again, there are a lot of factors that go into me warning people.
*[b][u][size="4"][color="#0000FF"]Unfortunately all of them cannot be stated clearly without appearing like something else.[/color][/size][/u][/b][/spoiler]

If there's anything that needs to be cleared up please state so.

[Ice.]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1287963869' post='4733743']
Honestly? It genuinely depends. There are a lot of factors that go into warning people. With few ultimatums (Dark elaborated). Here's what I said to Dark over MSN explaining it.
[spoiler]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:33 PM):
*You'd say it better if you like
*But it's basically
*I have varying degrees of how severely I warn people, based on how much of a veteran they are to the board.
[color="#FF0000"][Dark Disagrees][/color]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:33 PM):
*What?
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:34 PM):
*I'd PM a user for that of course
*But hardly a warn
[color="#FF0000"][Message from Dark about how X number of posts does not dictate veteran status][/color]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:34 PM):
*Then I'd connect it to how active you have been in CC
*And I do generally pay attention
[color="#FF0000"][Dark asks how I can claim activity][/color]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:35 PM):
*Outside a severe rule break, with newbies there is a certain expectancy of how much they know about rules. As many people don't read them when they first join or even get active. They often play it by ear. That's where I let social activity take over.
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:36 PM):
*If it gets severe and people don't help or that user refuses to listen. I would intervene and give that user what they deserve.
*Hell, yesterday was a good example. I post locked a newbie for refusing to listen.
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:37 PM):
*Again, there are a lot of factors that go into me warning people.
*Unfortunately all of them cannot be stated clearly without appearing like something else.[/spoiler]

If there's anything that needs to be cleared up please state so.
[/quote]


Ok, that seems fine, actually. It's just sad that RC isn't nearly as good as it was in 2008. I'm still trying to think of a way to fix it. God. >_>

[♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥]

Josh's decisions on bans may be hidden to us but they are for good reason. No I don't agree with all but still they are good reasons. It is up to Josh whether or not we know his reasons behind his moderating desicions.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1287963531' post='4733722']
DO YOU NOT READ?

Icy does not go out and ban any random person that he sees. While he may have done that in General, I won't comment on. But in RC, he most obviously only hands out instant-bans for people who [b]severely break YCM rules, that being pornography, trolling, and possibly flooding since we are talking about RC[/b]. You cannot say that Icy bans random people, and if you'd like to say that, please provide evidence.

From what Icy has been telling me over MSN, warnings go from a case-by-case basis, and if you feel you were improperly warned, you can always act like a civilized human being and PM him about it.[/quote]
Yes, I do read and no, I did not mean random people. I'm sorry if that is how it appears to you and yes, you are right, those are reasons (with the possible exception of trolling depending on the severity) to be banned. Also, I've never been warned. At least not yet, I can't predict the future and at some point I'll probably end up breaking a rule or two. Just like most people. Also, I do try to act civilized, well, at least I try, I can't always say it works unfortunately :/ Also, I do like Icy, he has never done anything to me that would make me lose respect for him. He also does his job to the best of his abilities. All my last post meant was that I disagree on one particular issue.

[quote name='Ice' timestamp='1287963597' post='4733730']
Was this targeted to me, Dark?

Because I never said that he bans random people. Hell, I LIKE Icy. >_>
[/quote]
No, it was targeted at me under the basis of a misunderstanding that I hoped I just clarified.

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1287963869' post='4733743']
Honestly? It genuinely depends. There are a lot of factors that go into warning people. With few ultimatums (Dark elaborated on a couple but there are still so few it's negligible). Here's what I said to Dark over MSN explaining it. (Removing his words for generalizations to keep privacy).
[spoiler]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:33 PM):
*You'd say it better if you like
*But it's basically
*I have varying degrees of how severely I warn people, based on how much of a veteran they are to the board.
[color="#FF0000"][Dark Disagrees][/color]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:33 PM):
*What?
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:34 PM):
*I'd PM a user for that of course
*But hardly a warn
[color="#FF0000"][Message from Dark about how X number of posts does not dictate veteran status][/color]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:34 PM):
*Then I'd connect it to how active you have been in CC
*And I do generally pay attention
[color="#FF0000"][Dark asks how I can claim activity][/color]
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:35 PM):
*Outside a severe rule break, with newbies there is a certain expectancy of how much they know about rules. As many people don't read them when they first join or even get active. They often play it by ear. That's where I let social activity take over.
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:36 PM):
*If it gets severe and people don't help or that user refuses to listen. I would intervene and give that user what they deserve.
*Hell, yesterday was a good example. I post locked a newbie for refusing to listen.
Josh T. [Icy] says (1:37 PM):
*Again, there are a lot of factors that go into me warning people.
*[b][u][size="4"][color="#0000FF"]Unfortunately all of them cannot be stated clearly without appearing like something else.[/color][/size][/u][/b][/spoiler]

If there's anything that needs to be cleared up please state so.
[/quote]
Now that seems well reasoned.

[quote name='♥Łövëły Ċ.Ċ♥' timestamp='1287964009' post='4733749']
Josh's decisions on bans may be hidden to us but they are for good reason. No I don't agree with all but still they are good reasons. It is up to Josh whether or not we know his reasons behind his moderating desicions.
[/quote]
Agreed. We all have our own viewpoints and everyone here only knows half of the story at best.


Well, I hope that clarifies things a bit.

[Dark]

So I've read the posts after my posts, and while it may seem to you that I should blame myself, I am not at fault. Please be concise when typing, and make your opinions noted clearly. It is not my fault that I thought FTW was implying that Icy bans random people, as that is what his post implied. If he meant something else, he better clearly state it. <___<

[//Zeromaru//]

Can I get in on the discussions?

[Smesh]

[quote name='Alfius' timestamp='1287965289' post='4733829']
Can I get in on the discussions?
[/quote]

Of course.

[DL]

Icy doesn't randomly ban people, obviously.

I mean, he's just doing his job.

I've stated this a year ago, and I'lls tate it again.

Being a mod is a dirty job. You gotta lock threads, ban members...but someone's gotta do it.