YCMthropology

[Alexis Rhodes]

We should bring ragnarok back and make him a mod of RC because he rates.

[DL]

I doubt strict rules will fix anything.

It's not the rules that have to change, it's the members.

If members don't follow the rules, it doesn't matter how strict they are.

Making them MORE strict, in compliance, is pointless, it'll just cause them to want to break them MORE if they broke it so much they got warned/banend for it.


CC rules are already strict, as are RPs.

At least, IMO.

So clearly the problem does not lie in upping the rules.

[Blake]

>RP
>Strict
>Not making sense

DL, while I support Basic RPs for beginners, Advanced RPs here are nothing. Look at even a moderately higher RP site.

No, I'm not elitist, I just want good RPs.

Heck, we need regulations on the RP itself, because people post 1 line Plots!

[DL]

Well, don't listen to me. I think any RP rule that forces you to have a certain amount of lines is bull.

Because it's not about the length, it's about the quality.

It just so happens most short posts in RPs are by noobs who have little to no quality in their RPs.

[Cloister]

In CC, clearly the biggest problem isn't the rules' strictness, it's how well Icy can deal with all the problems/spam/whatever that may occur.

Imo, Icy isn't active enough to take care of that section alone.

[DL]

Icy isn't a good enough mod to.

He uses emotions, not rational thought.

And when he has something on his mind, he won't listen to people.

True, that can be used as an advantage, but it's also something that can completely go wrong.

Which kinda makes him power abusive >.>


If it were up to me, I'd take Icy's position and give it to someone like.....uh....that guy, with the Gaara avi, whose name escapes me at the moment. or Lovely CC

[Cloister]

Which [b]kinda[/b] makes him power abusive >.> [i]What word should not be in this sentence?[/i]

You mean Anbu of Sand?

[DL]

YES, THAT DUDE.

I saw him a few times, he was cool.

I saw some of his rates....thumbs up.

And okay, yeah, makes him really quite very kinda yeah like totally power abusive

[Smesh]

I think there should be 1 or 2 more customs mods just to have the forum constantly moderated. Icy seems like the only mod who pays attention to it, and he can't be tere all the time.

[Dark]

Do realize that the amount of Stars one person has does not contribute or detract to their intelligence as a member. By saying that "most of the bad comments come from 3-stars and lower", you are generalizing the entire 3-star population. Here's a perfect example: who remembers Clair when she first joined? I didn't really care about her appearance in RC, but if you take it from a General standpoint, she adapted to the enviornment quite quickly. In terms of rules and idiocy, we should ignore the amount of stars one has entirely. It could be possible that I became a 6-star from General, but have as much experience as a 1-star in terms of RC (which isn't true, but for argument's sake). Stars mean nothing in any conversation, unless you are talking about spammers, inwhich case the most prominent spammers are 6-stars.

[quote name='Anbu-of-Sand' timestamp='1287897809' post='4731060']
Wasn't it 'we want better mods' in the first place? Or perhaps I have skimmed through the front page a bit too fast.
[/quote]

No, it was originally "we want more mods". I ended up changing the viewpoint (the viewpoint existed earlier, I made it more known) to "replace the bad mods".

[quote name='Clair' timestamp='1287898243' post='4731078']
What we need, IMO, are better (or multiple) RC mods. The card maker is why most people join, it has the most topics, and Josh can't do it all by himself.

It could be a bit more organized.
[/quote]

Clair is, shockingly, taking a very intelligent approach on the RC issue. I've never seen anyone mention before that RC is the [b]main reason[/b] that most people join, and it does have the most topics. It puts a "first impression" on new members joining, and if RC sucks, you can imagine those six-post or seven-post members won't stick around to see how much gfx and general suck. This is the one scenario where we need both MORE and BETTER mods. CC in general is a huge forum, and probably has the highest threads-per-day count of every forum. As such, we need mods that are willing to mod all of RC, not just someone saying "I will only mod RC and ignore Contests". Would you want to have ten mods for RC, each with their own sections? I'd rather have five mods, each modding all of CC in general.

[quote name='SaTuRnPaLaDiN' timestamp='1287898368' post='4731084']
Huntar is/was/dunno the Card Contest Moderator.

Ragnarok1945 is the highest posting member on YCM - widely known for his fast and massive posting of cards in the CC section. However, a lot of members saw his fast posting and reviews as annoying SPAM. It started a big ordeal between him and some of the mods (especially Icy). That issue kinda resulted in his demotion from Super Mod. (Trust me, it was a big ordeal - and I was on the forefront of it). Rag eventually got permabanned (although I find it to be a rather unjust reason).

If you want to know more, you can hit me up on PM and we can talk (along with Rag).
[/quote]

Huntar also used to be a Super Moderator, and he meddled around with General so damn much that I developed an eternal hatred for him. He really was the absolute worst mod General has ever seen, surpassing Icy and all the other mods. General literally committed suicide after he was instituted as super.

If his posts actually had content, there is no reason for him to have been perma'd. As long as he didn't write "6/10 opd", he was better than most RC-goers today. I guess people thought that he posted so quick that he was not giving the actual card much thought, but again, content in his posts could have disproved that.

[quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1287899037' post='4731116']
Um, Crab's actually a girl. The whole "being a guy" thing was the real trolling based on the assumption that there are no girls on the internet.
[/quote]

Unfortunately, I refuse to believe that. You can have your opinions (which you may or may not consider as fact, I could give a damn less), and I have mine. Until some sort of legitimate proof is shown, I'll continue addressing Crab as male, and I know he has the intelligence to realize why.

[quote name='SaTuRnPaLaDiN' timestamp='1287899822' post='4731141']
Meh, some would say that 'Tyrant' was the appropriate word.
[/quote]

I would agree that "tyrant" is appropriate, and should not have constituted any punishment. Hell, I've called mods worse things. <___<

Also, from what I've talked to Icy on MSN, he doesn't seem like that bad of an RC mod.

[quote name='Smesh' timestamp='1287929933' post='4731770']
Like I said, replace J-Max, replace Huntar, and customs would be fine.

@Pacman discussion of a new Admin is already on the mod forum. Their thinking Browarod.
[/quote]

Browarod, Yankee, and Crab were originally the three main choices. Crab, for some odd reason, was subsequently not considered. I guess Yankee said the admins thought he was too argumentative, but that's a bullshit reason. And Yankee, of course... he's Yankee. So Browarod, if we do get an admin, is our third admin.

[Icy]

Since Multiquote doesn't work for me I will have to do it the Dark way.

[i]"*Looks for RP, Looks for RP, looks for RP*
I see no mention of RPs. "[/i]
That is because I know NOTHING of the RP situation, and there hasn't been anything new on it even on the most vague of ends.

[i]"@DL: Really, we just need strict rules for CC. "[/i]
There are a lot of rules already that result in Instant banning and these days I do PM a member when they have broken a rule (before I used to leave it up to the responsibility of the member but that's terribly optimistic for YCM don't you think?).

[i]"We should bring ragnarok back and make him a mod of RC because he rates."[/i]
You have a snowballs chance in hell of that happening, and the sun don't shine very bright down there. It's all fire and brimstone.

[i]"Icy isn't a good enough mod to. He uses emotions, not rational thought. And when he has something on his mind, he won't listen to people."[/i]
Aren't you the misinformed one? I [u]SHOW[/u] emotions, I use rational thought (as you called it) but I mask that due to personal vanity; rest assured I do use Logic/Reasoning. Though if you bothered to pay attention, whenever a Problem arises I often open up a discussion thread and shift the ultimatum to work with what people say or not do anything at all. You say I don't listen?! YOU DON'T SPEAK! How can I hear that which has no voice?

Or am I supposed to just sit back and make assumed changes that I THINK is going on inside of your cranium and then further receive more hostility for it? Haha, no thanks. I'd rather let the QQer's have one track and not multiple to follow. Leaves me only one mess to deal with. Actions dictate your worth in CC, not how much you think you know. And if I remember Dark Link, you're active in Pop Culture are you not? How's the situation there?

And yes Smesh, I can't be here all the time. But I try and make-up for it. Not working well but we'll figure something out ^^.

[Blake]

Well, there needs to be new stuff on RPs.

Rinne does next to nothing, Shadius is gone thanks to the server issue, and Umbra stepped down.

1.5 line posts are getting by in RP.

[Dark]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1287940282' post='4732290']
Since Multiquote doesn't work for me I will have to do it the Dark way.

[i]"*Looks for RP, Looks for RP, looks for RP*
I see no mention of RPs. "[/i]
That is because I know NOTHING of the RP situation, and there hasn't been anything new on it even on the most vague of ends.

[i]"@DL: Really, we just need strict rules for CC. "[/i]
There are a lot of rules already that result in Instant banning and these days I do PM a member when they have broken a rule (before I used to leave it up to the responsibility of the member but that's terribly optimistic for YCM don't you think?).

[i]"We should bring ragnarok back and make him a mod of RC because he rates."[/i]
You have a snowballs chance in hell of that happening, and the sun don't shine very bright down there. It's all fire and brimstone.

[i]"Icy isn't a good enough mod to. He uses emotions, not rational thought. And when he has something on his mind, he won't listen to people."[/i]
Aren't you the misinformed one? I [u]SHOW[/u] emotions, I use rational thought (as you called it) but I mask that due to personal vanity; rest assured I do use Logic/Reasoning. Though if you bothered to pay attention, whenever a Problem arises I often open up a discussion thread and shift the ultimatum to work with what people say or not do anything at all. You say I don't listen?! YOU DON'T SPEAK! How can I hear that which has no voice?

Or am I supposed to just sit back and make assumed changes that I THINK is going on inside of your cranium and then further receive more hostility for it? Haha, no thanks. I'd rather let the QQer's have one track and not multiple to follow. Leaves me only one mess to deal with. Actions dictate your worth in CC, not how much you think you know. And if I remember Dark Link, you're active in Pop Culture are you not? How's the situation there?

And yes Smesh, I can't be here all the time. But I try and make-up for it. Not working well but we'll figure something out ^^.
[/quote]

Unfortunately there is a problem with the "Dark" way on ipb, but hopefully that doesn't cause a major problem with your post.

Again, instant banning is not the way to handle any situation. I guess I'm just putting every forum in terms of General, but even in RC instant banning is not the way to go. Think about it this way: if someone breaks a rule four times in a row, you can just give them 30% warns each time and end up banning them [i]anyways[/i] in the process. If you say "if you do x, you are banned", it puts you off as not only a tyrant, but it also tells new members that RC is a shitty place to be and filled with dictators who are just out to ban you. Glassberry was a bad mod in retrospect, but again, he actually gave a list of warn%s for each "crime" you could possibly commit in Genearl. That way people know that they are getting a fair and objective warning.

Ragnarok is perma'd, and I doubt he is coming back anyways. I don't know the scenario between Ragnarok-Icy, nor do I really care, but he's not coming back in my eyes.

No, if I had the time to find every General thread you've ever posted it, or every General-forum warning you've given when you were Super, I could find countless scenarios when you've used emotional stance over logic and reasoning. Maybe you are different in RC, and I'd love to believe that, but I've heard from countless (unnamed) people, and I believe it myself, that you do not completely moderate from logic.

[Icy]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1287940612' post='4732308']
Unfortunately there is a problem with the "Dark" way on ipb, but hopefully that doesn't cause a major problem with your post.

Again, instant banning is not the way to handle any situation. I guess I'm just putting every forum in terms of General, but even in RC instant banning is not the way to go. Think about it this way: if someone breaks a rule four times in a row, you can just give them 30% warns each time and end up banning them [i]anyways[/i] in the process. If you say "if you do x, you are banned", it puts you off as not only a tyrant, but it also tells new members that RC is a shitty place to be and filled with dictators who are just out to ban you. Glassberry was a bad mod in retrospect, but again, he actually gave a list of warn%s for each "crime" you could possibly commit in Genearl. That way people know that they are getting a fair and objective warning.

Ragnarok is perma'd, and I doubt he is coming back anyways. I don't know the scenario between Ragnarok-Icy, nor do I really care, but he's not coming back in my eyes.

No, if I had the time to find every General thread you've ever posted it, or every General-forum warning you've given when you were Super, I could find countless scenarios when you've used emotional stance over logic and reasoning. Maybe you are different in RC, and I'd love to believe that, but I've heard from countless (unnamed) people, and I believe it myself, that you do not completely moderate from logic.
[/quote]

Just giving you credit where that whole italics thing goes, as you were who influenced it.

Instant banning is only reserved for Trolls, Adult Image Posters (16+) Heavy Attachment Posters, etc. But you could argue that the latter 2 all go through a warning period. I should have clarified that further and I apologize. As for my hostility towards Ragnarok, it has no barring on my post so please don't think that it did. I just loooove using that analogy. And I will not deny my actions in General were Emotion over Logic, however for Custom Cards I do go through extensive discussions and planning before I change anything. I just prefer to show emotion over the logical side... personality flaw I guess?

[Dark]

Again, that is what I wanted to believe, and I'm happy. I never doubted you as an RC mod, but I'm very reluctant when people start delving into General "politics", you could say, as I'm affected the most by that.

And yes, the clarification does help.

[Cloister]

[quote name='Dark Link 401' timestamp='1287936526' post='4732066']
Well, don't listen to me. I think any RP rule that forces you to have a certain amount of lines is bull.

Because it's not about the length, it's about the quality.

It just so happens most short posts in RPs are by noobs who have little to no quality in their RPs.
[/quote]

Well, that's partially right, DL. It's more than just the quality. As it is now, CC only has one Mod. And that Mod decides wether a comment is good, EVEN if the comment is long. As long as the rater has another oppinion than the Mod, the Mod wins and this is why CC should have more than 1 Mod.

This could be the the reason why there are so many spammers and trolls in CC now.
It's not that Icy's policies are complete BS, but more of how he exercises them. Because of how he holds everyone to so high of a quality that it's so hard to match, it's possible that a lot of new members just said "oh the hell with your policies, you can't ban us all" and started doing whatever they wanted in defiance.

[Smesh]

Most trolls get cracked down quickly.

The spammers are a problem. I constantly tell them myself to stop, they just don't.

[Saturn of Elemia]

[quote name='Tomtekorv' timestamp='1287950793' post='4732910']
Well, that's partially right, DL. It's more than just the quality. As it is now, CC only has one Mod. And that Mod decides wether a comment is good, EVEN if the comment is long. As long as the rater has another oppinion than the Mod, the Mod wins and this is why CC should have more than 1 Mod.

This could be the the reason why there are so many spammers and trolls in CC now.
It's not that Icy's policies are complete BS, but more of how he exercises them. Because of how he holds everyone to so high of a quality that it's so hard to match, it's possible that a lot of new members just said "oh the hell with your policies, you can't ban us all" and started doing whatever they wanted in defiance.
[/quote]

THANK YOU!

The Custom Cards section is easily the most active section on the site - and NEEDS more than one moderator - period.

[Blake]

[quote name='SaTuRnPaLaDiN' timestamp='1287953756' post='4733090']
THANK YOU!

The Custom Cards section is easily the most active section on the site - and NEEDS more than one moderator - period.
[/quote]
I apply similar logic to RPs. For some reason, they get a ton of activity... Bad activity, usually.

[Headmaster Monokuma]

[quote name='Tainted Black' timestamp='1287953870' post='4733095']
I apply similar logic to RPs. For some reason, they get a ton of activity... Bad activity, usually.
[/quote]

And that bad activity is activity that needs to be moderated. Desperately.

[Saturn of Elemia]

[quote name='Tainted Black' timestamp='1287953870' post='4733095']
I apply similar logic to RPs. For some reason, they get a ton of activity... Bad activity, usually.
[/quote]

You're right. There should be more than 1 moderator for active sections - and RP is fairly active.

[Blake]

[quote name='Saint Dane' timestamp='1287953971' post='4733102']
And that bad activity is activity that needs to be moderated. Desperately.
[/quote]
Exactly, my dear Dane.

[quote name='SaTuRnPaLaDiN' timestamp='1287953991' post='4733104']
You're right. There should be more than 1 moderator for active sections - and RP is fairly active.
[/quote]
Exactly... and its one mod is not too active in RPs...

Why did Shadius have to have issues?! ;~;

[Saturn of Elemia]

That's life, I'm afraid.

I still find it sad that there are so few moderators for such an active community (but that's why I joined the club - in hopes that this problem will be remedied). No amount of excuses can justify it. There just have to be more moderators.

[♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥]

[quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1287899037' post='4731116']
Um, Crab's actually a girl. The whole "being a guy" thing was the real trolling based on the assumption that there are no girls on the internet.
[/quote]
Seriously -.-

You'd think with my name and my typing/talking style people would get I was a girl. Yet there are still people who imply I'm male. Somewhat annoying.

I admit though to believeing that Crab was a boy until I was corrected but that is because I've never seen her correct anyone and with her name and writing style, it was never implied.


Anyways
@ Icy's first post: What we discussed before, I'm accelerating the process. Just might not be over night.

(Give me a moment to go over the posts I missed. Gawd you guys are like a family of overly excited rabbits. Your numbers multiply every 2 seconds)

[Anbu-of-Sand]

Update on the situation please?