YCMthropology

[Kuri]

[s]If I could become RC mod that would be nice![/s]
Yea RC is active and all, but with irl coming 1st before the forum (which is totally agreeable) RC seems to have no mod. Seeing as Icy is the only mod looking out for it. And I believe Yankee has resigned. I'm thinking RC needs a mod or two.

[Smesh]

[quote name='Tainted Black' timestamp='1287889750' post='4730645']
RP... well, RP just needs a tighter rope around it.

Look at Post 3...

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/226401-peril-in-the-digital-world-still-accepting-in-ooc-thread/

@Daft: Flame Dragon, the super, is the mod here.
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I don't even RP..

Just..wow.

[Blake]

[quote name='Saint Dane' timestamp='1287889811' post='4730652']
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Did they just not care enough to read the rules?
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Pretty much.... and I hardly ever see Rinne do things about it...

That, and I feel that we need something OTHER than the Advanced Clause we have... Not neccesarily basic (Which I think we should have a beginner section), but this.... what we have is far too wide open for most people. They abuse it.

Sucks about Shadius...

@Smesh: Precisely.

RPers need to learn HOW to RP... and how they RP now is not right...

[Clair]

[quote name='Tainted Black' timestamp='1287889750' post='4730645']
RP... well, RP just needs a tighter rope around it.

Look at Post 3...

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/226401-peril-in-the-digital-world-still-accepting-in-ooc-thread/

@Daft: Flame Dragon, the super, is the mod here.
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Rinne is inactive and Shadius got his account deactivated by accident. ><

So yes, RP does need a new moderator.

[Smesh]

[quote name='Tainted Black' timestamp='1287889974' post='4730658']
Sucks about Shadius...
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Has Shadius seriously left, or is he still waiting?

[Blake]

[quote name='Clair' timestamp='1287889983' post='4730659']
Rinne is inactive and Shadius got his account deactivated by accident. ><

So yes, RP does need a new moderator.
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Rinne's semi-active, just not in RPs.

Poor Shadius D= I know all about this... and I like Shadius... but, whatever happened screwed RPs over...

[Headmaster Monokuma]

[quote name='Tainted Black' timestamp='1287889974' post='4730658']
Pretty much.... and I hardly ever see Rinne do things about it...

That, and I feel that we need something OTHER than the Advanced Clause we have... Not neccesarily basic (Which I think we should have a beginner section), but this.... what we have is far too wide open for most people. They abuse it.

Sucks about Shadius...
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Rinne doesn't bother, most of the posts don't end up reported, and he can't possibly check every RP for shortposts.

We DO need another thing besides the Advanced Clause. Basic isn't the best choice, but Advanced just isn't working.

[Dark]

It's not often that I want to join a club, so consider yourselves... I wouldn't say lucky, but consider the main idea for this club to be a creative one.

From what I've recently heard, all moderators can moderate [i]any forum[/i] on YCM, meaning they are not bound to their own "sections". Don't quote me on this, as this came from Yankee, and I don't know how reliable he is.

I'm flattered that you consider me General mod material, but I already know I'm not. Just being active in a forum doesn't constitute one to be a mod, and I think it's quite obvious I'm not the best member on here.

In terms of a third admin, it's stupid. That's all I have to say on the matter.

The two sections I visit, General and Multimedia, aren't really needing mods. Flame Dragon, Opalmoon, and some other random dude who mods Anime/TV/Lit are doing fine. And MarbleZone is a superb mod. But I can tell that RP and CC are in need of mods.

But, I do have one complaint. Why do we need [i]more[/i] mods? Why shouldn't we get [i]better[/i] mods?

[Smesh]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1287892735' post='4730779']
It's not often that I want to join a club, so consider yourselves... I wouldn't say lucky, but consider the main idea for this club to be a creative one.

From what I've recently heard, all moderators can moderate [i]any forum[/i] on YCM, meaning they are not bound to their own "sections". Don't quote me on this, as this came from Yankee, and I don't know how reliable he is.

[b]They're supposed to be able to, but they're not. I told Marble to lock a thread in 1 on 1s, and his Moderator tools disappeared.[/b]

I'm flattered that you consider me General mod material, but I already know I'm not. Just being active in a forum doesn't constitute one to be a mod, and I think it's quite obvious I'm not the best member on here.

In terms of a third admin, it's stupid. That's all I have to say on the matter.

The two sections I visit, General and Multimedia, aren't really needing mods. Flame Dragon, Opalmoon, and some other random dude who mods Anime/TV/Lit are doing fine. And MarbleZone is a superb mod. But I can tell that RP and CC are in need of mods.

But, I do have one complaint. Why do we need [i]more[/i] mods? Why shouldn't we get [i]better[/i] mods?

[b]Well, people have tried. Like Pika, she won't Moderate Your Deck. And some mods are just unactive and can't be better because of that.[/b]
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[Blake]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1287892735' post='4730779']
1. It's not often that I want to join a club, so consider yourselves... I wouldn't say lucky, but consider the main idea for this club to be a creative one.

2. From what I've recently heard, all moderators can moderate [i]any forum[/i] on YCM, meaning they are not bound to their own "sections". Don't quote me on this, as this came from Yankee, and I don't know how reliable he is.

3. I'm flattered that you consider me General mod material, but I already know I'm not. Just being active in a forum doesn't constitute one to be a mod, and I think it's quite obvious I'm not the best member on here.

3. In terms of a third admin, it's stupid. That's all I have to say on the matter.

4. The two sections I visit, General and Multimedia, aren't really needing mods. Flame Dragon, Opalmoon, and some other random dude who mods Anime/TV/Lit are doing fine. And MarbleZone is a superb mod. But I can tell that RP and CC are in need of mods.

5. But, I do have one complaint. Why do we need [i]more[/i] mods? Why shouldn't we get [i]better[/i] mods?
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1. Thanks, I guess? =3

2. According to Marblezone, when he tried to moderate in contests... his Mod Tools disappeared, despite his 'Super Mod' status that they all seem to have.

3. Wholeheartedly agree.

4. General could use a small bit of help, IMO, but I can see where you are coming from. FD, Opal, and Marble are all good mods. CC and RP definitely do, though.

5. We want more better mods... hence why we are throwing ideas around here, and why I rejected 99% (Or so) of Fader's nominations on the front page.

[Dark]

I guess it is a flaw in the system, but a flaw for the better. I'd hate other mods without much [s]intelligence[/s] experience trying to mod and disrupt General.

Again, if a mod is inactive, just demoderate him or her. We don't need more mods, we need better mods who actually do their job correctly. :/

[Smesh]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1287893107' post='4730788']
I guess it is a flaw in the system, but a flaw for the better. I'd hate other mods without much [s]intelligence[/s] experience trying to mod and disrupt General.

Again, if a mod is inactive, just demoderate him or her. We don't need more mods, we need better mods who actually do their job correctly. :/
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If inactive mods were demoderated, why not replace them?

That's what I never understood.

And getting mods who do their job correctly, in my opinion, would require a few more mods.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1287892735' post='4730779']
It's not often that I want to join a club, so consider yourselves... I wouldn't say lucky, but consider the main idea for this club to be a creative one.

From what I've recently heard, all moderators can moderate [i]any forum[/i] on YCM, meaning they are not bound to their own "sections". Don't quote me on this, as this came from Yankee, and I don't know how reliable he is. [b]I've heard otherwise, but can't be sure. I won't quote on this because you aren't sure and I'm not sure that they can't.[/b]

I'm flattered that you consider me General mod material, but I already know I'm not. Just being active in a forum doesn't constitute one to be a mod, and I think it's quite obvious I'm not the best member on here. [b]You'd do better than most though.[/b]

In terms of a third admin, it's stupid. That's all I have to say on the matter. [b]As I said at one point, I only said that as an example only, and apparently a poor one.[/b]

The two sections I visit, General and Multimedia, aren't really needing mods. Flame Dragon, Opalmoon, and some other random dude who mods Anime/TV/Lit are doing fine. And MarbleZone is a superb mod. But I can tell that RP and CC are in need of mods. [b]Agreed.[/b]

But, I do have one complaint. Why do we need [i]more[/i] mods? Why shouldn't we get [i]better[/i] mods? [b]IMO the only way to do that is by getting new mods. YCMaker probably isn't going to retire them unless they do something bad (J-Max) or they resign (Yankee).[/b]
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[Dark]

No, I don't think you get my underlying statement. If a moderator is not doing his or her job correctly, which is [b]moderating[/b], they should be promptly demoted and replaced with a [i]more apt[/i] moderator. You are not adding mods, you are replacing the bad ones with better ones. From what your sig and from what the club generally says, it sounds like you want [i]more[/i] mods, not necessarily [i]better[/i] mods.

No, that is exactly the problem. YCMaker and Falling Pizza [b]won't[/b] demoderate the useless mods, and we are building up bad mod after bad mod. If you look at the mod forum, you could, within a few seconds, identify a few mods that are either inactive to the point where the cannot (and do not) moderate, or are such bad moderators that they should be demoted.

[Blake]

Well, I agree with you, Dark... but, as FTW said, YCMaker's not going to remove them, except in certain cases. Heck, he might even be lazy after that, and only demote ones that have seriously violated a rule.

[Smesh]

I agree completely, Dark.

But as you said, YCMaker won't demote, or probably won't even [i]promote[/i] anyone. And Pizza can't promote or demote members, according to Yankee.

[Dark]

[b]BUT THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES.

[/b]If you want a new mod, you go to the mod team and look to see who is listed as General. Let's assume MarbleZone wasn't mod, but you'd still see Frunk and maybe Glassberry if he's still listed. So, without any rational thought, you'd assume that two General mods were enough, and wouldn't press the admins for another one. However, you didn't realize that Frunk does not moderate whatsoever, and Glassberry is essentially dead. If the moderators would be demoted, you could then at least see that there are no General mods, and the admins would see that, too. We are slowly building up a huge pile of bad and inactive mods in the moderation team list, which detracts from the probability of us getting new, better mods.

[Smesh]

Completely true. YCMaker needs to demote them, and mods that don't want change *cough*Icy*cough* need to get over it.

Recently, Yankee resigned. I'm thinking that when YCMaker sees his recognition, and sees my PM to him, he will realise what needs to be done.

I feel like sending him another PM, but I also am against it. I feel like I'm harrassing him and slimming our chances even more.

EDIT: I'm thinking of adding this as a suggestion. Just so the forum can know.

Should I?

[Kuri]

I'm trying to put up a suggestion. I think YCM needs to replace some mods and add whatever more mods it needs. We need intelligent people to become mods, ones who are active and somewhat considerate towards members. Unlike mods who see a member break a rule and warn them, I believe only new members get the verbal warning now (up until the point where they piss a mod off..). Maybe if we had members from YCM Summer 2009 becoming mods the forum would probably be more peaceful. And what I mean by that is getting all the more experienced members and acquainting them moderating status. I am also trying to stress out that Summer of 2009 was the best days of YCM.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

[quote name='Smesh' timestamp='1287894227' post='4730840']
Completely true. YCMaker needs to demote them, and mods that don't want change *cough*Icy*cough* need to get over it.

Recently, Yankee resigned. I'm thinking that when YCMaker sees his recognition, and sees my PM to him, he will realise what needs to be done.

I feel like sending him another PM, but I also am against it. I feel like I'm harrassing him and slimming our chances even more.

EDIT: I'm thinking of adding this as a suggestion. Just so the forum can know.

Should I?
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No, not yet. He hasn't been on yet, so he hasn't had a chance to see the first one. Wait until he sees the first one, and if he doesn't answer, then do it.

[Dark]

[quote name='Smesh' timestamp='1287894227' post='4730840']
Completely true. YCMaker needs to demote them, and mods that don't want change *cough*Icy*cough* need to get over it.

Recently, Yankee resigned. I'm thinking that when YCMaker sees his recognition, and sees my PM to him, he will realise what needs to be done.

I feel like sending him another PM, but I also am against it. I feel like I'm harrassing him and slimming our chances even more.

EDIT: I'm thinking of adding this as a suggestion. Just so the forum can know.

Should I?
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I don't know how active Icy is, but from what I've heard, he's really been fixing up CC to the best of his ability. As long as he doesn't meddle with General, I could care less.

Adding it as a suggestion usually results in nothing, as shown by the countless suggestions already made. YCMaker does things if he sees it fit, and I doubt he actually looks at the suggestions forums when he does something. Sadly, I doubt we'll ever get competent mods.

[quote name='Kuri' timestamp='1287894363' post='4730843']
I'm trying to put up a suggestion. I think YCM needs to replace some mods and add whatever more mods it needs. We need intelligent people to become mods, ones who are active and somewhat considerate towards members. Unlike mods who see a member break a rule and warn them, I believe only new members get the verbal warning now (up until the point where they piss a mod off..). Maybe if we had members from YCM Summer 2009 becoming mods the forum would probably be more peaceful. And what I mean by that is getting all the more experienced members and acquainting them moderating status. I am also trying to stress out that Summer of 2009 was the best days of YCM.
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Glassberry was considered one of the worst mods of General of all time, and I agree- to a point.

One thing Glassberry did was genius, [b]and it has never since been recreated.[/b] He put every offence you could make in General, from spamming to double accouting, and assigned it a warn% value (and for things like trolling, he said 30% to a 3-day ban, depending on severity). THIS MAKES WARNING SOMEONE GENERALLY OBJECTIVE. One problem with mods is they say, "Hey, this one member has a generally clean record, but he trolled in this one thread this one time on that one post. Let's give him a week ban." The mods are NOT VERY INTELLIGENT, and with the exception of a few of them, not one can logically refute that statement. If the warn%s became very objective, the less-intelligent mods have a guideline to follow. "Oh, this member flamed twice? Well, that's 20% times 2, so I'll give him a 40% for a week. That should be fit."

[Smesh]

I know, but just up there to have people open their eyes and to argue/debate about it. If enough people agree, they'll start to complain and want something done. And the more of those the better.

[Dark]

How many people advocated for a "set delete"? From what I've last seen, that thread had over ninety supporters. I'm not into card making, but has that been instituted yet?

If the answer is no, you fully see my point. If the answer is yes... damn.

[Smesh]

It hasn't been applied.

But this will draw more attention than just removing whole sets. At least I hope.

And I'm not doing it for supporters, doing it for awareness.

[Dark]

I doubt many people are going to care. If everyone has the attitude I have (which is, if my section has good mods, don't care about the rest of the forum), nothing will get done, there will be no logical argument, and YCMaker will figuratively laugh at us. I refuse to believe there is [i]nothing[/i] we can do to combat this issue, but making a thread and PMing YCMaker sure as hell won't work. Maybe we should stir up something to the active Super Mods, have them post stuff in the moderator forum, and hopefully via the trickle-up effect (...haha), YCMaker or Falling Pizza get the idea that the memberbase is pissed and, I don't know, [b]do something.[/b]