Raine Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 [quote name='TwinSeed' timestamp='1319999093' post='5607890'] Can you remind me who Finnich is? [/quote] District 4, Sex Beast with a trident fetish and loves sugar cubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinSeed Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Okay, I'd have to re-read it again to recall him. District 4 though, so a Career? Probably mid 30's, considering the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raine Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 [quote name='TwinSeed' timestamp='1319999318' post='5607897'] Okay, I'd have to re-read it again to recall him. District 4 though, so a Career? Probably mid 30's, considering the event. [/quote] Former victor, was career yes. Lived in the capital living off lonely women. HOW CAN YOU NOT REMEMBER THE BEST CHARACTER IN THE SERIES! (<- totally not exaggerating) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinSeed Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 I rather liked Rue. I do wish that *insert author's name that I can't remember* named them better though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidward Tentacles Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 read the entire series at least seven times... and Mockingjay is [s]more depressing[/s] every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 [left]I've just finished reading the first book. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit, more than I thought I would. I found the lack of detail disappointing, but I suppose at the end of the day Katniss would be more likely to focus on details of her clothing than what her enemies look like when she's on the brink of death. Dunno, just my opinion that I wouldn't have said had it not been from a first-person narrative. She's also an untrustworthy narrator, everything she says and thinks are not to be taken at face value. I'd ship her with Peeta, yeah, although I think she thinks about Gale far too much for that to happen. I feel bad for Peeta though... even if he is ginger.[/left] [left]I have to admit the ending disappointed me though. Not for her reaction to Peeta's love though, as is the case with most fans (aka my friend Kelly, who cried over it), but because of the whole:[/left] [left][spoiler=spoiler][/left] [left]'oh btw in every other year there could only be one winner but this year they can be two'- this is just a dues ex machina so the author can save both the main characters. She cowarded out of killing one of them and so used this stupid device to save them.[/left] [left][/spoiler][/left] [left]Still, looking forward to reading the next book.[/left] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 [quote name='TwinSeed' timestamp='1319999616' post='5607908'] I rather liked Rue. I do wish that *insert author's name that I can't remember* named them better though. [/quote] The entire idea was that children were named after their district's major export or something found in that region (Katniss = type of root, Peeta = pita bread, being a baker). Rue came from an agricultural region, so it'd make sense she's named after an herb. As for my opinions on the series as a whole, I concur. The third book was subpar, mainly because of the author's "kill 'em all" attitude. Sometimes it felt like she was trying to wrap things up too quickly, and the entire [spoiler="Spoiler!"]DISTRICT 13'S ALIVE AND GONNA KILL YOUR ASSES REBELLION STYLE[/spoiler] plot thread just was... eeh. The first two at least had some hope spots - Mockingjay didn't. And, of course, there's the obvious comparisons to "Battle Royale" and "The Lottery," but those are kinda inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinSeed Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 [quote name='Kyubey' timestamp='1323126876' post='5689215'] The entire idea was that children were named after their district's major export or something found in that region (Katniss = type of root, Peeta = pita bread, being a baker). Rue came from an agricultural region, so it'd make sense she's named after an herb. [/quote] I understand and respect that idea, I just think it would've been better with different, more creative names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 [quote name='Brushfire' timestamp='1323108708' post='5688618'] [left]I've just finished reading the first book. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit, more than I thought I would. I found the lack of detail disappointing, but I suppose at the end of the day Katniss would be more likely to focus on details of her clothing than what her enemies look like when she's on the brink of death. Dunno, just my opinion that I wouldn't have said had it not been from a first-person narrative. She's also an untrustworthy narrator, everything she says and thinks are not to be taken at face value. I'd ship her with Peeta, yeah, although I think she thinks about Gale far too much for that to happen. I feel bad for Peeta though... even if he is ginger.[/left] [left]I have to admit the ending disappointed me though. Not for her reaction to Peeta's love though, as is the case with most fans (aka my friend Kelly, who cried over it), but because of the whole:[/left] [left][spoiler=spoiler][/left] [left]'oh btw in every other year there could only be one winner but this year they can be two'- this is just a dues ex machina so the author can save both the main characters. She cowarded out of killing one of them and so used this stupid device to save them.[/left] [left][/spoiler][/left] [left]Still, looking forward to reading the next book.[/left] [/quote] I'm pretty sure that the gamemakers didn't actually want two winners and just said that to trick them. (Remember that the announcer quickly took it back when Katniss and Peeta were left). However, they were about to kill themselves to be rebels and because they couldn't bare the thought of leaving each other behind. They couldn't go without a winner, so the gamemakers were forced to roll with it. At least that's what I remembered and got out of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 [quote name='Twig' timestamp='1323143084' post='5690038'] I'm pretty sure that the gamemakers didn't actually want two winners and just said that to trick them. (Remember that the announcer quickly took it back when Katniss and Peeta were left). However, they were about to kill themselves to be rebels and because they couldn't bare the thought of leaving each other behind. They couldn't go without a winner, so the gamemakers were forced to roll with it. At least that's what I remembered and got out of it... [/quote] I know, but I didn't like how they were just like "loljk there can only be one winner" (which was so obvious from the start), for Katniss to go "how about no winners?!" to get the reply "oh okay then you can both win". It just felt stupid... I'm halfway through Catching Fire now, still kinda proves my point that the author only kept Peeta alive to keep this love triangle going (which is even more annoying considering the theme of the book, but whatever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I felt them doing that was a "f*** you, Capitol" and sort of a way to start something against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 [quote name='Doctor Whooves' timestamp='1323192201' post='5690739'] I felt them doing that was a "f*** you, Capitol" and sort of a way to start something against them. [/quote] Then the Capitol should have let them die. I don't know, the whole ending seemed just ridiculous in the end, and it was made even more ridiculous in the second book. [spoiler=Spoilers for Catching Fire] If they were just going to throw them back in the arena, then surely Katniss and Peeta could have done the same thing again and killed themselves. If the Capitol foresaw this, then they should've let it happen in the first place... the Capitol remains to be an extremely stupid powerful!corporation. Incompetence Inc springs to mind. The whole "District 13 is alive and going to kill youuu" isn't as bad as this in my opinion. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 [quote name='Brushfire' timestamp='1323193080' post='5690760'] Then the Capitol should have let them die. I don't know, the whole ending seemed just ridiculous in the end, and it was made even more ridiculous in the second book. [spoiler=Spoilers for Catching Fire] If they were just going to throw them back in the arena, then surely Katniss and Peeta could have done the same thing again and killed themselves. If the Capitol foresaw this, then they should've let it happen in the first place... the Capitol remains to be an extremely stupid powerful!corporation. Incompetence Inc springs to mind. The whole "District 13 is alive and going to kill youuu" isn't as bad as this in my opinion. [/spoiler] [/quote] They can't do that suicide thing since they'd have to kill everyone else which I don't think they wanted to do. Also, they were beginning to unravel the secrets of the capital and the games. They actually want to help with the rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 @Brush: The whole thing with what you consider a "deus ex machina" was just a publicity stunt for Capitol. Remember, they're pretty unpopular to start with, so by doing what they did they can show some (fake) inkling of kindness and lessen the aggressiveness against them a bit. It's a stretch, but a Zero Percent Approval Empire needs all the stuff they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 [quote name='Kyubey' timestamp='1323216362' post='5691575'] @Brush: The whole thing with what you consider a "deus ex machina" was just a publicity stunt for Capitol. Remember, they're pretty unpopular to start with, so by doing what they did they can show some (fake) inkling of kindness and lessen the aggressiveness against them a bit. It's a stretch, but a Zero Percent Approval Empire needs all the stuff they can get. [/quote] I'd agree... if they stuck to it. But they didn't, they retracted it later on (I'm going to ignore that they er, un-retracted it) and it was plainly obvious to me when reading it that they were never going to stick to the rule of allowing two of them to win it. Allowing Peeta and Katniss to team up at exactly that point saved Peeta's life, he would've died otherwise. Dues ex machina? Not exactly, but I see a similarity there. You can't claim that they even did it to make people think "Oh, the Capitol isn't that bad" because even if people thought that, they'd immediately stop thinking it the moment they retracted the rule... the Romeo and Juliet-esque ending could have been good, but the author decided that they both needed to live in order to continue the series and in doing so the whole thing didn't make an awful lot of sense. I know the Capitol needs a winner, but (and it's clearly stated in the book), Katniss and Peeta made them look stupid. I think a true evil!corporation would have let them both die, realistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 [quote name='Brushfire' timestamp='1323216687' post='5691594'] I'd agree... if they stuck to it. But they didn't, they retracted it later on (I'm going to ignore that they er, un-retracted it) and it was plainly obvious to me when reading it that they were never going to stick to the rule of allowing two of them to win it. Allowing Peeta and Katniss to team up at exactly that point saved Peeta's life, he would've died otherwise. Dues ex machina? Not exactly, but I see a similarity there. You can't claim that they even did it to make people think "Oh, the Capitol isn't that bad" because even if people thought that, they'd immediately stop thinking it the moment they retracted the rule... the Romeo and Juliet-esque ending could have been good, but the author decided that they both needed to live in order to continue the series and in doing so the whole thing didn't make an awful lot of sense. I know the Capitol needs a winner, but (and it's clearly stated in the book), Katniss and Peeta made them look stupid. I think a true evil!corporation would have let them both die, realistically. [/quote] I never actually thought it was to show the capital had some kindness to them. I'm pretty sure it was to make it more interesting. Remember that they were planning to retract it all along, which the capital thought would make it even more interesting in the end when the two left behind would have to kill each other. They didn't expect district 12 to do what they did. And no, a true evil corporation wouldn't let them both die since they also have to be smart. I'm just trying to remember this from what I read a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure they needed a winner no matter what because it would mess everything up (the tour, the next mentors for the next tributes, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 The way you've explained it Twig, it suddenly bothers me a lot less and it makes sense that the Capitol would now want to eliminate them in the way they try in [i]Catching Fire[/i]. I suppose the one criticism I have left is the way Katniss breezes through the first games. Don't even try to deny it, there was never any doubt in my mind when reading it that she wasn't going to win... and not for the reason that I knew there were two more books. >_> Every time it looked like she was in a chance of losing, a silver parachute appeared. I know that's kind of the whole point, but she made everyone else in the games look so incompetent compared to Katniss. [spoiler=Catching Fire spoilers] Which reminds me that eight tributes died in the second games that Katniss participates in... and all eight of these are supposed to be previous victors? I find that incredibly hard to believe if they're that f***ing stupid lmao.. [/spoiler] Other than that, it would be wrong for me to say I've done nothing but enjoy the series, and to tell the truth I'm hoping the portrayal of it in the movies is as good as the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Honestly, you're gonna have a lot more to complain about Mockingjay. Enjoy the books now. Mockingjay has disappointed many. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 [quote name='Twig' timestamp='1323316531' post='5694745'] Honestly, you're gonna have a lot more to complain about Mockingjay. Enjoy the books now. Mockingjay has disappointed many. =/ [/quote] I was disappointed enough with the end of Catching Fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I finished this series a little while ago. I still can't decide whether I liked or disliked Katniss. Sometimes she bored me, other times she amazed me. Sometimes I wondered what the hell she did that for, other times I admired her tenacity and forced choices given her circumstances. Very up and down for me, and I'd say that goes for my feelings on the whole series. But most of them would be ups. I feel like Gale should have had more of a prominent role in the first two books to give the love triangle some legitimacy. I can't think of too many people who'd rather Katniss end up with Gale over Peeta after reading the first two books. The one other thing I didn't like was how characters were sort of dismissed. When people died in Mockingjay, they were basically just written off in the midst of events and I felt there was little to no impact for them. And I can gripe about the ending, but I'm sure you've all heard that song and dance before. I did enjoy reading how the combatants interacted with each other in the ring though. Those were probably the most engrossing parts for me. And I'd say this would make a good read for older kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Just finished Book 1 of the series, having recieved the trilogy for Xmas. My god that was amazing. Okay there was a worrying dip for a number of chapters towards the end with the whole KatnissxPeeta thing (I dislike Peeta throughly btw) and some stuff outright angered me (Thresh dying offscreen in unknown circumstances I found unforgivable for me. After all the development in him saving Katniss and defending Rue's death, the build up to him facing Cato, how over Cato would have got killing him and how sad I'd have been to see him dead, to just get 'oh by the way Thresh is gone, moving on' was a massive letdown). But overall one of the best books I've ever read. As far as first in series go, I'd still place it just behind Northern Lights, which I loved, but it runs it damn close. Taking a break before I hit book 2, got Johnny Wilkinson's autobio to read. Hope the series continues well. Also btw, for any fans of the series, you might be interested in clicking on the logo in my sig/visiting the games forum. (Totally not why I came in here. Can't believe I didn't do it sooner :3) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Read first book some time ago. ...Umm, sorta hard to say it in this atmosphere, but. Honestly, I personally believe there's better. Yes, it certainly WAS fun to read, I wouldn't deny that. Saying, I think it's a bit overrated. Here comes a Captain Obvious: Battle Royales are basically about people dying. But just dying isn't fun. You need something more three-dimensional than just that. This means, to make it fun, you gotta focus on: 1. What the characters strive to live for. They shouldn't just "live to live"; they should have something more important than themselves, something even bigger than their own lives at stake. They just "can't die", because they have something they need to do. 2. How epic or terribly the characters die and/or kill. The best and most simple method to describe the cruelty of destiny. 3. Describing the fear of upcoming death. Sorta overlaps with 2. 4. Making them battle epic. Apart from mind games and tactics like the FIRST HALF of Death Note, many forces fighting at the same time is a good idea, as in the "V.S. 6th" arc of Future Diary (yeah, the story of that series sucked afterwards till the very end, but just that part was hell amazing). 5. Characters the reader would love as characters. Because if they don't, well, they wouldn't care how many of them die. I believe the Hunger Games did a good job with 1 (actually, the best Battle Royal I've seen so far in just that sense), but I felt it was so focused on that that the other five didn't meet my expectations. Some deaths could have been more gory, the characters should have reacted more to them, the battles could have been smarter, the contestants besides the couples could have been described to be not Gary Sues, etc. etc. etc. Yeah, the main problem IMO is that the writer decided to make the other contestants normal people. Yes, it increases the "reality" of the piece and I understand that's why the writer made them so, but this means that, in a way, the enemies are on the same level as the main characters (though some Areas have more muscular contestants, that's sorta pointless against someone who's mastered, well, arrows). I believe the enemy characters should have all been majorly buffed up, to make them more of a threat that the main characters will have to REALLY fight tough to beat. I loved how retarded the Capitol was, though. The setting was nice. Distopian settings are ALWAYS nice. And the logical reasons for why the Hunger Games were held was something that had never came to me before, so I felt it was a fresh idea, and good. In that sense, perhaps this ISN'T something that could be considered a Battle Royale. It could be a completely different, separate piece from that one genre, and if you think of it as so, it's a lot better then. Haven't read 2 and 3, but at least reading just 1, that's what I thought. It's a good piece, but not perfect, and it's overrated if you look at it as a Battle Royale. Nice as literature and drama. If ya got objections, feel free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrekstasy Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 finished the last book last night. i ship haymitch with snow i think theyd be a good couple. i saw the ending coming a mile away and was really disappointed finnick died edit: it stops being like battle royale when they actually get around to the plot of the trilogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 "The Hunger Games Series is so much fun." "NO, it's not." "..." "Katniss has fun. Peeta has fun. Gale has fun. Prim has a blast." "Did you just..." "Prim has a blast." I saw that post on tumblr the day before I read Mockingjay, and literally screamed no at the top of my lungs. Spoilers man, ugh. Overall I love the series, tho I do like the first book the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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