Infinity Inc.

[Squirrel Girl]

Grannel is Broken, and Skiel is UPed for being a Machine Emperor imo (I did not count the upgrades now) except for the absorbing effect. Though, there are 1 thing I wonder. What the f*** is Cubic's effect

EDIT: Is this forgotten?:

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/227801-yu-gi-oh-5d%C2%B4s-the-nexus-brotherhood-icstartedaccepting-in-oocpg-13/

[evilfusion]

[quote name='~Cherry~' timestamp='1289523773' post='4778016']
@Ax's recent post: Cubic is what we're all waiting for.
As a Level 12 Effect monster, it better be good.

Wisel is basically the Main Machine Emperor. Grannel is broke, and becomes even more stupid broken once he absorbs a Synchro Monster. Skiel still has alot of potential going for it.

Huh. I kinda thought he would have one, because I thought we'd eventually see the Machine Emperors will all upgraded parts. With Wisel Guard 3, Placido could've actually kept going and possibly beat Crow.

Crow is Crow, he probably would've had one of those badass moments to beat Placido though.
I mean, he did almost beat Grannel. o_o

Honestly, it's the laugh that everyone is annoyed with. I don't mind it at all.

She sets Mirror Force.
...
Okay, it probably wouldn't work, but hey, I had to guess. xD

Lua thought "I'LL GET IT BACK FROM THE SYNCHRO KILLER WITH A [i]SYNCHRO[/i] MONSTER!".
Horrible idea, as usual.

But then, Yusei predicted his 5 Tuner Monsters- wait, he's Yusei. Never mind, that would've happened regardless.
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Jack had it all set up, though. Crow would get Scar-Red, a hand of six cards, and the Continuous Trap that gives Scar Red piercing. Wisel Guard 3 is useless, and Placido would still lose. On that note, Jack passed a facedown to Crow. Neither Crow nor Yusei have used it yet.

Crow, thankfully, did not beat Grannel, nor did he do any damage. I have nothing against Crow, but some people hate him to ridiculous extents. Crow being persistently countered by Jose was probably enough to keep haters from b*tching about Crow and his OPed blah blah blah.

Crow having a Yusei-in-109 hissy fit was funny though. What I like about Crow's character/voice actor is the emotion he manages to convey. I love that, and Crow's emotions in that episode were great. Although my complaint is why his D-Wheel survived real damage of 15,500, which was enough to make the ground CATCH ON FIRE.

I like Lucciano's laugh, but some instances, it's grating. How does his voice actor do that?


[quote name='^_^AxManBoy^_^' timestamp='1289523989' post='4778029']
Grannel is Broken, and Skiel is UPed for being a Machine Emperor imo (I did not count the upgrades now) except for the absorbing effect. Though, there are 1 thing I wonder. What the f*** is Cubic's effect

EDIT: Is this forgotten?:

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/227801-yu-gi-oh-5d%C2%B4s-the-nexus-brotherhood-icstartedaccepting-in-oocpg-13/
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We'll know once Cubic appears next episode. As for theories...hmmm...absorb multiple Synchros a turn? Absorb Synchros from Grave? No idea right now.

[Squirrel Girl]

I cant wait for episode 135, though I have read somewhere, there will come out 2 episodes next week. That would be awesome

[iCherry]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1289524684' post='4778058']
Jack had it all set up, though. Crow would get Scar-Red, a hand of six cards, and the Continuous Trap that gives Scar Red piercing. Wisel Guard 3 is useless, and Placido would still lose. On that note, Jack passed a facedown to Crow. Neither Crow nor Yusei have used it yet.

Crow, thankfully, did not beat Grannel, nor did he do any damage. I have nothing against Crow, but some people hate him to ridiculous extents. Crow being persistently countered by Jose was probably enough to keep haters from b*tching about Crow and his OPed blah blah blah.

Crow having a Yusei-in-109 hissy fit was funny though. What I like about Crow's character/voice actor is the emotion he manages to convey. I love that, and Crow's emotions in that episode were great. Although my complaint is why his D-Wheel survived real damage of 15,500, which was enough to make the ground CATCH ON FIRE.

I like Lucciano's laugh, but some instances, it's grating. How does his voice actor do that?

We'll know once Cubic appears next episode. As for theories...hmmm...absorb multiple Synchros a turn? Absorb Synchros from Grave? No idea right now.
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...I totally forgot that Crow would get Scar-Red and the piercing card. I was assuming that Scar-Red Nova was gone and the Black Feathers would've done something. My bad. ><
...Monster Baton rerun, anyone?

Crow shouldn't have haters. Other than the Dark Signer Arc, he hasn't even been allowed to do that much except make the situation in duels better for Yusei. I think it was about time that Crow got his Crowning Moment Of Awesome against another Main Antagonist. Him beating Grannel would've been too much though.

Crow's voice actor is one of my favorites. He just gets the emotion down near-flawlessly every episode. That, I don't understand either. I mean, Jack took around 6500 Damage and Wheel Of Fortune flew into the air. But Blackbird survives from a full-on direct attack? Pearson must've REALLY built that thing well.
...If Blackbird was originally Pearson's. I have completely forgotten.

Good question. Goooood question.

Absorbing Synchro Monsters from the Graveyard would make Yusei's situation even worse. Especially considering that he just got back Scar-Red Nova and Blackfeather Dragon in his Graveyard. Although, I'm not entirely sure if Scar-Red Nova would go to Yusei's Graveyard, seeing as he isn't exactly the orignial owner of the card at the time. The WRGP rules might treat him as such anyway.

[Squirrel Girl]

I must say good bye. I will go to sleep now cause the time is 2:30 P.M here. Good by for now

[evilfusion]

[quote name='~Cherry~' timestamp='1289525232' post='4778077']
...I totally forgot that Crow would get Scar-Red and the piercing card. I was assuming that Scar-Red Nova was gone and the Black Feathers would've done something. My bad. ><
...Monster Baton rerun, anyone?

Crow shouldn't have haters. Other than the Dark Signer Arc, he hasn't even been allowed to do that much except make the situation in duels better for Yusei. I think it was about time that Crow got his Crowning Moment Of Awesome against another Main Antagonist. Him beating Grannel would've been too much though.

Crow's voice actor is one of my favorites. He just gets the emotion down near-flawlessly every episode. That, I don't understand either. I mean, Jack took around 6500 Damage and Wheel Of Fortune flew into the air. But Blackbird survives from a full-on direct attack? Pearson must've REALLY built that thing well.
...If Blackbird was originally Pearson's. I have completely forgotten.

Good question. Goooood question.

Absorbing Synchro Monsters from the Graveyard would make Yusei's situation even worse. Especially considering that he just got back Scar-Red Nova and Blackfeather Dragon in his Graveyard. Although, I'm not entirely sure if Scar-Red Nova would go to Yusei's Graveyard, seeing as he isn't exactly the orignial owner of the card at the time. The WRGP rules might treat him as such anyway.
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I doubt Monster Baton will happen again. I imagine it's another card we're supposed to forget about (Jack set it BEFORE activating Synchro Sonic).

I can understand the reasons for some of the Crow haters (Crow has the tendency to never shut up). The whole "he runs Blackwings" is a BS hatred. The thing about him becoming the 5th Signer might be a reason he's hated, but it makes sense in-story. The fact he, until Team Taiyou, never lost a duel officially might have something to do with it (one was explicitly a deliberate loss). I thought him getting owned by Grannel might shut up those haters.

Yeah, I love the voice actor and his emotions. It makes up for the times when he's more annoying. The episodes his emotions are beautifully powerful include the episode he gets Blackfeather Dragon, and episode 133.

It was Pearson's originally, but Crow modified it a bit.

It should go to Yusei's Graveyard because it's Team 5Ds' card and he's the current player. All cards destroyed left behind by a teammate goes to your Graveyard when they're destroyed, Scar Red should be no different.

[Ovedrive]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1289526750' post='4778149']
I can understand the reasons for some of the Crow haters (Crow has the tendency to never shut up). The whole "he runs Blackwings" is a BS hatred. The thing about him becoming the 5th Signer might be a reason he's hated, but it makes sense in-story. The fact he, until Team Taiyou, never lost a duel officially might have something to do with it (one was explicitly a deliberate loss). I thought him getting owned by Grannel might shut up those haters.

Yeah, I love the voice actor and his emotions. It makes up for the times when he's more annoying. The episodes his emotions are beautifully powerful include the episode he gets Blackfeather Dragon, and episode 133.

It was Pearson's originally, but Crow modified it a bit.

It should go to Yusei's Graveyard because it's Team 5Ds' card and he's the current player. All cards destroyed left behind by a teammate goes to your Graveyard when they're destroyed, Scar Red should be no different.
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Actually, running Black Feathers makes Crow interesting imo. I don't understand why some people hate him. I admit that I hated him also before, but now he's a bit different and I like him more now. Maybe I like him because of Black Feather Dragon.

Crow's voice actor is simply great. I love it especially when Crow Synchro Summons. I agree that his emotions were the most powerful in the episode he gets Blackfeather Dragon, and episode 133.
In 133, I like when Crow says after he summons BF Dragon: "Huh...I'm a bit tired now." =D

Jack was the original owner of Scar-Red and since he's in Team 5D's, Scar-Red is left to Yusei. It doesn't matter that the Scar-Red controller was Jose at that time, Scar-Red is still Team 5D's card. So...it should go to Yusei's Graveyard.

[evilfusion]

I also don't hate Blackwings, so that might help my lack of hatred for a Blackwing user.

Yeah, Crow got an amazing voice actor. It makes the character awesome in that way. A lot of the Japanese voice actors are amazing, which makes the dubs worse by comparison. Crow's dub voice actor is okay, but doesn't have the same emotional power the Japanese one does. My only complaint about Placido's voice actor is the voice is too blatantly "villain-like". Sure, Placido's a villain, but the voice makes it too obvious. It makes Placido seem actually evil, rather than what I feel Placido's actual character traits are: Pride and Stubbornness.

On that note, a sub for 134 is up.

[spoiler=part 1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDJT-rWZnjU[/spoiler]
[spoiler=part 2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STOKbu4BkUs[/spoiler]

[RedRuler]

Crow has a great voice actor IMO, i like his accent.

And thanks evilfusion for the subs.

[Dementuo]

I've got to say...
That was one f***ed up plot twist. Except the present-day Lucciano actually seemed terrified by his past. Anyone else notice that?

Also, Jose said that he had been a "chosen one", but what that was for is never explained.

Furthermore, Placido, it seems, never actually died. I would assume so, since he was last seen shooting that Grannel bot, but Lucciano was the only one to actually get a good death sequence.

Even Jose survived. He could've lived long enough to get away from that area of the world and flee somewhere else. It wasn't until later that Momentum went berserk again.

And about Lucciano... He went a little crazy with that laugh... At least Placido shut him up... For once...

Still, Lucciano is still a good character. Skiel is definitely the better looking Machine Emperor. I agree with Yusei, though. I find it hard to believe that Placido, Lucciano, and Jose would attempt to destroy Neo Domino City, when they clearly liked it there.

All these strange unanswered questions, and no explanations. All this is doing is adding to the many, MANY logic holes in this series.

Either way, I just thought that this episode was another total mind-f***. Anyone agree?

[evilfusion]

Lucciano is still a child. The event probably had some emotional scarring/fear.

Placido seemed to be in the military. While shaken, I doubt he was traumatized. I doubt he survived, with a Grannel right in front of him as he shoots with a useless weapon.

Jose claimed to be the sole survivor, and his motivation is due to being completely alone. By chosen one, I assume he means he was the only natural survivor. Everyone else died and he was 'chosen' because by luck or fate, he wasn't caught in the crossfire. He said it wasn't just that City. Areas all over the world had been similarly devastated, because the world evolved "too quickly" due to Momentum and Synchros.

The three claimed that was the memories they still have about their past/future. So the events that motivated them to ensure the future never happened lingers with them, as they go about their plan.

Take note of this: Jose, Lucciano, and Placido don't just plan to destroy Neo Domino. They will have it REBUILT, changed, with the Momentum eliminated. Their method of correcting history requires the complete elimination of the Momentum. Zero Reverse didn't work the first time, although it changed a lot, so they're using a more total method relating to the Arc Cradle. We don't know the specifics. If Momentum and Synchros is what caused the future they want to avoid, the Momentum must be removed, but it's too late to prevent its creation/research. They must remove all traces of its existence from the world, before it spreads to more cities, more corners of the world, enabling huge technological advancements as seen: part of the planet was pure technology/city. The world evolved too fast, because of the power using Synchro Monsters, coupled with Momentum, enabled.

Placido and Lucciano lived in a world that, within their lifetime, was completely destroyed, and their loved ones killed and presumably followed by themselves. Jose lived to see how the foolish quest for evolution led to total annihilation of civilization. He was ALONE. There was no one else. He lived to die alone, with the destruction of the world around him.

It's an unavoidable future if they do nothing. That's why they do it. Not just for themselves, but for the good of humanity. Their methods are extreme because what happens to the people in their way is irrelevent. If they don't defeat the Signers and use the Circuit/Arc Cradle, the world is screwed, including themselves.

The Machine Emperors appearing is still unexplained, but I stand by my theory that Yliaster/Zone/whatever decided that there was no alternative to fixing the path than to cut it at its root and then attack the remaining virus of the world. Machine Emperors are the anti-thesis of Synchros, and the use of Synchros was so obsessive that nothing would be able to beat the Emperors. Everyone used Synchros. Everyone did nothing but focus on Synchros. Synchros meant everything to the world, and the Machine Emperors devoured Synchros to become invincible.

[Imperial Knight of Wisel]

Hey guys I got an OOC now and its awesome there are still some new spots. The link is in my signature.

[Squirrel Girl]

Now, next week I have heard there will be 2 episodes instead of 1. I dont think that if Yusei "saves" the world from the tenors, it will be destroyed, cause they will not evolve the Synchros any further. So there is no need to worry about that. The Tenors just think the world will end in great chaos. I dont think that the 3 tenors are evil, cause Zone is the 1 that will try to create the new world and stop it from being destroyed, but as I said before, I think it will not be chaos cause Synchros wont be upgraded. That is just my theory

[iCherry]

[quote name='^_^AxManBoy^_^' timestamp='1289590876' post='4779275']
Now, next week I have heard there will be 2 episodes instead of 1. I dont think that if Yusei "saves" the world from the tenors, it will be destroyed, cause they will not evolve the Synchros any further. So there is no need to worry about that. The Tenors just think the world will end in great chaos. I dont think that the 3 tenors are evil, cause Zone is the 1 that will try to create the new world and stop it from being destroyed, but as I said before, I think it will not be chaos cause Synchros wont be upgraded. That is just my theory
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Where'd you hear that?

No... you've got some parts wrong here. It's not Synchros [i]evolving[/i] that was the problem. It was the accelerated evolution of mankind via Synchro Monsters. Also, ZONE is not trying to create a new world. ZONE's motive is unclear, I think. The Tenors want the rebirth of the new world, and they believe that the appearance of the Arc Cradle will bring about such.

If you think that the chaos in the future won't come because Synchros won't be upgraded, they why in the hell are the Tenors still fighting?

[Blake]

I hate Blackwings, but I love Crow. I also like his dub voice.

[Squirrel Girl]

[quote name='~Cherry~' timestamp='1289591484' post='4779297']
Where'd you hear that?

No... you've got some parts wrong here. It's not Synchros [i]evolving[/i] that was the problem. It was the accelerated evolution of mankind via Synchro Monsters. Also, ZONE is not trying to create a new world. ZONE's motive is unclear, I think. The Tenors want the rebirth of the new world, and they believe that the appearance of the Arc Cradle will bring about such.

If you think that the chaos in the future won't come because Synchros won't be upgraded, they why in the hell are the Tenors still fighting?
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I just heard it from somewhere on the internet, so I read about it. I dont remember the website

I dont think that the Synchro Monsters will be used so often that the thing will get to powerful and create another Zero Reverse

I think that the tenors are fighting cause they thought it will end like that, but that they realize that they were wrong

[iCherry]

[quote name='^_^AxManBoy^_^' timestamp='1289592211' post='4779331']
I think that the tenors are fighting cause they thought it will end like that, but that they realize that they were wrong
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How are they wrong?
Explain.

[Squirrel Girl]

That they find out that the world will not end in chaos like in the episode. But that is just what I think

[iCherry]

Um... that is the future, at the moment. They were there, so it can't be wrong.
That's why both sides are now trying to change it.

[evilfusion]

[quote name='~Cherry~' timestamp='1289591484' post='4779297']
Where'd you hear that?

No... you've got some parts wrong here. It's not Synchros [i]evolving[/i] that was the problem. It was the accelerated evolution of mankind via Synchro Monsters. Also, ZONE is not trying to create a new world. ZONE's motive is unclear, I think. The Tenors want the rebirth of the new world, and they believe that the appearance of the Arc Cradle will bring about such.

If you think that the chaos in the future won't come because Synchros won't be upgraded, they why in the hell are the Tenors still fighting?
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If it was Synchros evolving that was the problem, then the Infinity Trio is waging a war that will directly lead to that future. It's not the problem, thankfully.

According to Jose, Yliaster is the organization created by their god (repeatedly implied to be ZONE) in order to guide the history of humans. Whenever humans start to stray from the predetermined path, Yliaster steers it back, using either history alteration or more destructive means. Through this, human progressions have been controlled steps.

The creation of Momentum was a great error for humans. Its power would allow for rapid evolution of human society and technology. Synchro monsters have some sort of connection to the Momentum, and their use enables more power to be channeled through the Momentum reactors, or so it appears. Momentum is used as a wide-scale power source. Eventually, Synchro monsters become absurdly widespread and popular, to the point where humans are fixated on using them, and this allows more power, more progression, and over time, more Momentum reactors are built throughout the world, not just Neo Domino. For this reason, human evolution progresses TOO quickly.

Seeing this as something that must be stopped, Yliaster stepped in and attempted to destroy the momentum, convincing Rudger to take control of the project when it was still imperfect, and overload the system, this causing Zero Reverse. It also freed the Earthbound Gods, setting the stage for the Signer vs Dark Signer war. However, Momentum was not completely destroyed in this attempt, and lived on, becoming more controlled. It seemed that the future where the world is destroyed would not be averted after all, so that's where the Infinity Trio come in, armed with the Machine Emperors that ZONE gave them.

Perhaps it was after Wisel was defeated in 66 that ZONE got second thoughts, and sent Bruno to give Yusei an alternative method of fighting, demonstrating the Synchro that would be able to counter the Machine Emperors: Accel Synchro. Until then, ZONE sent Skiel to Lucciano. The Trio continued to wait for the Circuit's completion, until Placido grew tired of waiting and sent the army of Ghosts on everyone, and then targeted Yusei due to his grudge against him. Bruno had suffered amnesia due to Placido's desire to know about Accel Synchro causing an accident, but ZONE restored Bruno's memory at a crucial time, allowing him to help Yusei and teach him about Accel Synchro.

Yusei met ZONE, who told him all possibilities must be made equal, and gave him Shooting Star Dragon. Yusei then dueled Placido, and defeated him with Shooting Star Dragon. Afterwards, ZONE gave Jose Grannel, which has the ability to neutralize Accel Synchros, but is also vulnerable to Shooting Star Dragon's effect. Equal, indeed.

ZONE's motive is unclear. He sent the Infinity Trio to complete the Circuit and gave them the Machine Emperors. However, he sent Bruno to teach Yusei how to counter the Machine Emperors, and allowed the Trio to use their true power during the finals. Behind the scenes, he's also doing something to change Sherry's destiny. In episode 131, he showed Sherry the same scene Jose showed the Signers (without the flashbacks of their past).

ZONE mostly seems to just be playing multiple sides, giving the Infinity Trio the Machine Emperors to fight to prevent the future, giving Yusei the card to fight against the Emperors, and altering Sherry's destiny for presumably the same side as the Infinity Trio by showing her the fate of the world due to Momentum.

[iCherry]

Am I the only one still kinda confused as to why Rex Goodwin has... nothing to do with this? I mean, he was in Yliaster and was the Big Bad of the Dark Signer Arc. I just think they shouldn't have just made references to him this season.
...Then again, he had nothing to do with the Emperors, so I guess it's fine.

The only thing I can think of is that Synchro Monsters somehow fuel more Momentum. With Synchros becoming insanely popular, too much Momentum was... created? idk. This might've been what made the Machine Emperor Army attack the city. They were designed by ZONE to destroy Momentum and anything that could add onto it. ...I don't know, does this make sense?

ZONE is giving possibilities to Yusei and the Infinity Trio, but if he's the Final Boss of the Infinity Arc like most people think, then why he he on both sides? Maybe, since Wisel's onslaught in episodes 107-109 and Yusei's use of the Accel Synchro drew more of the Circuit, maybe ZONE's plan is to complete it?

[Shalltear Bloodfallen]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1289585936' post='4779126']
The Machine Emperors appearing is still unexplained, but I stand by my theory that Yliaster/Zone/whatever decided that there was no alternative to fixing the path than to cut it at its root and then attack the remaining virus of the world. Machine Emperors are the anti-thesis of Synchros, and the use of Synchros was so obsessive that nothing would be able to beat the Emperors. Everyone used Synchros. Everyone did nothing but focus on Synchros. Synchros meant everything to the world, and the Machine Emperors devoured Synchros to become invincible.
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I guess you are reffering to Momentum as the path ZONE tried to end by sending the ME army?

Personally, I think they seemed to bee acting MUCH to randomly to atleast have the erasing of Momentum as their only goal.
The way I saw the invasion was that the ME army attacked EVERYTHING that moved and was still alive.
The kills and destruction was much to random to be organized towards one goal except obliterating all life on earth.

And it was only later that the reactors all over the world went berserk and exploded (possibly due too an overload of some form)

Judging by how ZONE has seemingly done everything he can so far to even the sides in the fight between Team 5D´s and The Infinity Trio, I doubt he would one day just send an army of monsters to completely destroy all life on earth, giving the humans no choice of fighting back or surviving, well, more than José (though this does raise the question why ZONE ((seemingly)) didn´t try to even the fields at all)

It´s a good theory either way, since the ME are specificaly designed to counter synchros and it seems much to convinient to be some kind of army or race, randomly drifting in space and destroying planet after planet.

@Cherry

Rex seemingly started to act on his own at the end of the Dark Signer arc since he was a lot more impulsive in my mind.

The Infinity Trio have soo far been verry cautious regarding the Crimson Dragon and the powers it has given the Signers.
Rex tried to use those powers and mix them with the darker versions of the Dark Signers, something that to me shows that he was acting on his own.

But on a side note, I don´t think Yliaster predicted that Zero Reverse would release the Earthbound Gods and The Dark Signers, so maybe Goodwin was just meant to clean that situation up before it got out of hand, only problem that Goodwin started acting on his own and wanted to have both the powers of light and dark to change the world into his liking.


But you do think they would have mentioned him either way.



Regarding the Momentum thing, I have a theory.

Synchros obviously fuel the Momentum reactors beyond their normal limits through duels.
Synchros became insanely popular and was used by EVERYONE, causing the reactor to spinn a lot faster and produce Momentum a lot faster.

When the reactor started producing more Momentum, it gave birth to more synchros, that in time, increased the reactor even further.
Repeat a couple of times.

After a while, the reactors started going far beyond their normal limits and became very unstable.

1. ZONE knew that Momentum had to bee stopped before the reactors went completely out of hand and since it was already a problem since earlier, he sent an army of monsters specificaly designed to counter synchros and destroy them.

2.The very high output of Momentum from the reactors attracted the ME army (The ship like things could have belonged to them), from wherever they originate.

Both ways, It eventually lead to the doom of the Human race, because their evelution went way too fast and they couldn´t handle the new forces they learned about and sought to control
Humanitys greed for more power eventually lead to the extinction of the entire human race

[Lexadin]

He guys I cba to read all those long posts, so can anyone tell me the topic and if 124 is subbed yet?

[Ovedrive]

• I'm to tired to read this posts also =D. They're talking about current 5D's episodes and theories about Machine Emperors.
• You mean "134" subbed. Yes, it's out.

[Squirrel Girl]

If it was ZONE that sends the ME army to destroy the Earth, then why did he wanted both the tenors and team 5D's to stop that from happening? So either, it was never happened, or ZONE was just playing with both teams so that HE could prepare for the attack, or the attack was just another guy sending the ME to destroy Earth. The 3 tenors could have been played by ZONE and HE made them believe in all that they said in episode 134 but that it was just something that ZONE told them that happened in the future