Infinity Inc.

[Squirrel Girl]

The tenors have other plans than rebuild the city, they came to the city to change the future, that synchros will be eliminated. The Tenors planed to rebuild the city, but just so that the God of Yliaster would be the ruler and take over the world

Momentum dont get power from duels. The momentum get power from a power source underground. They said that in an episode with Dark Signers, as far as I know

[iCherry]

[quote name='^_^AxManBoy^_^' timestamp='1289513588' post='4777493']
The tenors have other plans than rebuild the city, they came to the city to change the future, that synchros will be eliminated. The Tenors planed to rebuild the city, but just so that the God of Yliaster would be the ruler and take over the world

Momentum dont get power from duels. The momentum get power from a power source underground. They said that in an episode with Dark Signers, as far as I know
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When did they say that ZONE was coming to take over the world for them? They said that the Infinity Circuit would reveal God's location, thus destroying Neo Domino City for that and bringing forth the creation of a New World. So, changing the future by destroying the city is their main purpose.

The Momentum you're thinking of is the old energy source that was re-activated by... Rudger, I think. I forgot. Also, Momentum does get power from duels.

[Squirrel Girl]

Well, actually both get power from the same power source, but the new get little of the power from duels though

And ZONE will create a new world, but the humans will not be included in the world

[evilfusion]

[quote name='~Cherry~' timestamp='1289512093' post='4777407']
Even if it was Grannel, why would they use something associated with it? Why would Placido of all people come up with a plan for Grannel's Summoning and ATK Skyrocketing?

ZONE probably brought them back. We all can agree on that.

I'm not sure if I heard this right, but Jose said something about "Speed" when explaining the future to Team 5D's. I believe that Synchro Monsters fueled Momentum at an insane speed, especially since the entire city had all began to spam Synchro Monsters. Hell, you can even see a cluttered highway with everyone shouting "SYNCHRO SHOKAN".

Your theory seems the most plausible at this point.
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There is no evidence it was Placido's plan. Placido said they should use their full power, the "power refused to us" more or less. Since the plan revolved around Jose kicking 5D's collective a**es, I see where you got the notion.

I think Placido meant Aporia and Cubic. There were two plans throughout the duel.

Plan 1: Accumulate Infinite Spirit counters. Jose will use this with Grannel and win easily with Grannel's 12000+ ATK.

Plan 2: Infinite Prison, set the 3 Cores. If Plan 1 fails, Aporia presumably will kick Team 5Ds butt.

I sincerely doubt Plan 1 was Placido's plan. I think this was their original battle strategy against Team 5Ds, possibly made by Jose, and Placido wanted a backup strategy, knowing how Yusei tends to be stubbornly impossible to beat.

Evidence to this:

- Placido wants to beat Yusei, and his pride refuses to let him lose on purpose without some satisfaction from the get-go. If he made the plan to have he and Lucciano lose on purpose for Jose's sake, he has little reason to "break the plan", because Placido is not one to screw himself over on purpose. He did grudgingly concede to follow the plan when Jose told him to.

-Even after losing to Jack, Placido silently told Yusei, more or less, that their fight wasn't through. He may be expecting Yusei to topple Grannel, and then Aporia can take over. Similarly, if Placido made the plan, why is his reasoning "But I didn't wreck it, who cares?" when Lucciano snaps at him? Placido could have defeated Jack using Bomb Blast, but didn't, which let Jose complete his setup with Grannel. Placido's move is for the team, and he is not normally a team-player. To create a plan requiring him to be a team player feels out of character, evidence in my eyes that Jose made this plan.

-On the inverse, Cubic's summoning doesn't require Teamwork. It requires being -beaten- and having a final contribution that on the surface, appears incredibly harmless and counterproductive. Note that NO ONE on Team 5Ds commented on either Placido or Lucciano's use of Infinite Prison, as they were focusing on the more obvious key: Infinite Spirit Machine. (Jack's reaction to Lucciano's use was, paraphrased "Do I look like I care, Skiel's going to die!")

Noteworthy is Cubic requires the 3 Cores. This lets each member use their own Machine Emperor during their duels, and play by their styles. Lucciano was enraged that Placido was using the cards "meant" for Jose, and kept asking Jose if this was okay. Jose didn't seem peeved until it became clear Placido WOULD NOT STOP.

-Placido is uninterested in Jose's successful execution of the plan. If he made it, he should be a little less indifferent.

As for Momentum being fueled by dueling, explain why its energy levels skyrocketed during duels against Signers/the Crimson Dragon's appearance. This same sort of energy also seems to power the Circuit the Infinity Trio is trying to complete. I seem to recall the reactor responding to such events.

[iCherry]

[quote name='^_^AxManBoy^_^' timestamp='1289514958' post='4777582']
And ZONE will create a new world, but the humans will not be included in the world
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Of course humans are going to be included, when did someone say they weren't?
The Ark Cradle's appearance will create the world, but you're probably right about ZONE doing it.

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1289515085' post='4777591']
There is no evidence it was Placido's plan. Placido said they should use their full power, the "power refused to us" more or less. Since the plan revolved around Jose kicking 5D's collective a**es, I see where you got the notion.

I think Placido meant Aporia and Cubic. There were two plans throughout the duel.

Plan 1: Accumulate Infinite Spirit counters. Jose will use this with Grannel and win easily with Grannel's 12000+ ATK.

Plan 2: Infinite Prison, set the 3 Cores. If Plan 1 fails, Aporia presumably will kick Team 5Ds butt.

I sincerely doubt Plan 1 was Placido's plan. I think this was their original battle strategy against Team 5Ds, possibly made by Jose, and Placido wanted a backup strategy, knowing how Yusei tends to be stubbornly impossible to beat.

Evidence to this:

- Placido wants to beat Yusei, and his pride refuses to let him lose on purpose without some satisfaction from the get-go. If he made the plan to have he and Lucciano lose on purpose for Jose's sake, he has little reason to "break the plan", because Placido is not one to screw himself over on purpose. He did grudgingly concede to follow the plan when Jose told him to.

-Even after losing to Jack, Placido silently told Yusei, more or less, that their fight wasn't through. He may be expecting Yusei to topple Grannel, and then Aporia can take over. Similarly, if Placido made the plan, why is his reasoning "But I didn't wreck it, who cares?" when Lucciano snaps at him? Placido could have defeated Jack using Bomb Blast, but didn't, which let Jose complete his setup with Grannel. Placido's move is for the team, and he is not normally a team-player. To create a plan requiring him to be a team player feels out of character, evidence in my eyes that Jose made this plan.

-On the inverse, Cubic's summoning doesn't require Teamwork. It requires being -beaten- and having a final contribution that on the surface, appears incredibly harmless and counterproductive. Note that NO ONE on Team 5Ds commented on either Placido or Lucciano's use of Infinite Prison, as they were focusing on the more obvious key: Infinite Spirit Machine. (Jack's reaction to Lucciano's use was, paraphrased "Do I look like I care, Skiel's going to die!")

-Placido is uninterested in Jose's successful execution of the plan. If he made it, he should be a little less indifferent.

As for Momentum being fueled by dueling, explain why its energy levels skyrocketed during duels against Signers/the Crimson Dragon's appearance. This same sort of energy also seems to power the Circuit the Infinity Trio is trying to complete. I seem to recall the reactor responding to such events.
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Actually, in episode 131, Placido was seen talking about some kind of plan. This could be the Aporia plan. In 132, he gave himself a summary of the situation that included Lucciano's activation of Infinite Prison and Infinite Spirit Machine. He said everything was going according to plan, or something of the like.

Placido came up with both, probably. That's what I believe.

- That's exactly why Placido wanted to go on a rampage for a bit. He couldn't bring himself to fully go out with the plan because he's the Jack of the group. His pride wouldn't allow him to show his true powers to Jack or lose on purpose if he could fight Yusei. But we can't forget that this is possibly a different Placido, because he doesn't seem as arrogant/ignorant. He's working with the other two Tenors like he should, so he forced himself to submit. ...This is a horrible counterargument though, so it's likely that you're correct.

- Placido probably decided to go with Jose's plans or something after getting his ass handed to him by Shooting Star Dragon. Lucciano snapped at him mainly because of his rampage, but you're right. Not only that, but he said that his chance against Yusei will come eventually, so...

- Team 5D's are a bunch of morons. They didn't question why the cores were set because no one could deduce what they were doing. Yusei figured out Spirit Machine first and decided to have Jack destroy that instead. Sadly, no one realized that they were screwed either way.

- True...

That only further proves that it's fueled by dueling. The Crimson Dragon's power just happens to also add onto that. It's probably explained in the Dark Signer arc, somewhere, or the Fortune Cup. The Circuit isn't building itself on Momentum, I think.
...
Whew, that was a bit of typing there. xD

[evilfusion]

I considered that, but Placido in 131 made it clear the plan he wanted to follow was something ZONE/God had restricted them from using. Grannel wasn't restricted, it just was the last to arrive. And both Placido and Lucciano "tested" their Machine Emperors after getting them with no objection from Jose. Jose himself didn't test his Emperor because there was no point to. He was going to wait until the WRGP to defeat Team 5Ds with Grannel.

Lucciano and Placido both didn't like the plan they were following. Lucciano said it was lame, but Jose said the strategy they were using was good, because it made the outcome all but unavoidable. Placido did seem pleased at that notion, so it's possible he did make the plan to some degree, or at least agreed on it. Placido rebelled against the strategy, possibly due to his pride, but considering how offended Placido got in previous scenarios at the thought he might lose, he could be taking solace in the fact he's losing deliberately. I just can't figure him as going against his personality and MAKING the plan to lose on purpose.

I did notice the slight personality switch, but to me, it's not he's different, it's he's been humbled. He went against Jose's warnings, behaved rashly and arrogantly, and was broken into pieces by the very power he openly refused to acknowledge as a threat. He returned a couple episodes later, made a comment that losing to Yusei wouldn't be the end of him, and still had a prideful air about him. I imagine he's just realized he's lucky to still be alive. He probably went along with the plan at Jose's insistence because he and Wisel were outmatched by Scar-Red the same way he and Wisel were outmatched against Shooting Star. He could have beat Jack, but that would be purely selfish, as Crow would just use Scar Red to beat Wisel, and then Jose wouldn't have Bomb Blast ready to summon Grannel.

Strangely, Placido setting 2 cards and ending his turn got an undue reaction from everyone. Everyone was going "WTF is he doing?" Um...he set 2 cards. Using Wisel's effect is useless and the other card in his hand is Wisel Attack 3. What do you WANT him to do?!

Well, Lucciano probably snapped partially because HIS efforts would be lost if Placido screwed up. Lucciano's conceited, as noted in episode 78 (plus he uses "boku" to refer to himself), and he openly disliked being forced to lose for the strategy. If Placido screwed up by taking too long to lose, then Lucciano would look like an idiot for nothing. Once Team 5Ds realized Lucciano and Placido lost on purpose for the sake of their strategy (which works), it becomes less embarrassing to have been taken down so easily.

True, no one could figure out what Team New World was doing, but no one bothered to think about it much, either. Jack shrugged off Lucciano setting Sky Core, and by the time Placido set Wise Core, they were trying to figure out the purpose of Infinite Spirit Machine. At that point, everyone is meant to forget about Infinite Prison (audience and characters) until Aporia does his move, no doubt. Grannel is far more of an issue than some continuous Trap that let the other wheelers set a random monster on the field.

[Squirrel Girl]

I think Jose came up with both plans. Cause if Placido would have come up with the plans, They would have battled with all their Strength and Lucciano would have beaten Jack and Placido would have beaten Crow and Jose would still have been beaten by Yusei and the result of the duel would have been that aporia appears with his awesome Duel Runner. And then he summons Cubic and the rest turns out as the other episodes would have turned on

[iCherry]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1289517409' post='4777687']
I considered that, but Placido in 131 made it clear the plan he wanted to follow was something ZONE/God had restricted them from using. Grannel wasn't restricted, it just was the last to arrive. And both Placido and Lucciano "tested" their Machine Emperors after getting them with no objection from Jose. Jose himself didn't test his Emperor because there was no point to. He was going to wait until the WRGP to defeat Team 5Ds with Grannel.

Lucciano and Placido both didn't like the plan they were following. Lucciano said it was lame, but Jose said the strategy they were using was good, because it made the outcome all but unavoidable. Placido did seem pleased at that notion, so it's possible he did make the plan to some degree, or at least agreed on it. Placido rebelled against the strategy, possibly due to his pride, but considering how offended Placido got in previous scenarios at the thought he might lose, he could be taking solace in the fact he's losing deliberately. I just can't figure him as going against his personality and MAKING the plan to lose on purpose.

I did notice the slight personality switch, but to me, it's not he's different, it's he's been humbled. He went against Jose's warnings, behaved rashly and arrogantly, and was broken into pieces by the very power he openly refused to acknowledge as a threat. He returned a couple episodes later, made a comment that losing to Yusei wouldn't be the end of him, and still had a prideful air about him. I imagine he's just realized he's lucky to still be alive. He probably went along with the plan at Jose's insistence because he and Wisel were outmatched by Scar-Red the same way he and Wisel were outmatched against Shooting Star. He could have beat Jack, but that would be purely selfish, as Crow would just use Scar Red to beat Wisel, and then Jose wouldn't have Bomb Blast ready to summon Grannel.

Strangely, Placido setting 2 cards and ending his turn got an undue reaction from everyone. Everyone was going "WTF is he doing?" Um...he set 2 cards. Using Wisel's effect is useless and the other card in his hand is Wisel Attack 3. What do you WANT him to do?!

Well, Lucciano probably snapped partially because HIS efforts would be lost if Placido screwed up. Lucciano's conceited, as noted in episode 78 (plus he uses "boku" to refer to himself), and he openly disliked being forced to lose for the strategy. If Placido screwed up by taking too long to lose, then Lucciano would look like an idiot for nothing. Once Team 5Ds realized Lucciano and Placido lost on purpose for the sake of their strategy (which works), it becomes less embarrassing to have been taken down so easily.

True, no one could figure out what Team New World was doing, but no one bothered to think about it much, either. Jack shrugged off Lucciano setting Sky Core, and by the time Placido set Wise Core, they were trying to figure out the purpose of Infinite Spirit Machine. At that point, everyone is meant to forget about Infinite Prison (audience and characters) until Aporia does his move, no doubt. Grannel is far more of an issue than some continuous Trap that let the other wheelers set a random monster on the field.
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Oh, restricted. I never heard that part because I never got to watch the subs. ><
That makes more sense.

Lucciano was being a brat. He barely counts and isn't smart enough to come up with all of this anyway. You make another good point, but I just think that Placido came up with some of it, considering that I didn't see any signs of Jose coming up with the plan. ...That, or he did and I missed it, again.

Exactly. Losing this badly and having some of his pride wounded by Yusei destroying him probably made him submit to Jose's plans. Wait, none of them knew that Scar-Red Nova could use the removal effect until Lucciano tried to absorb it. Remember, Jack never used it until then, even though he could have against Thor. Only god knows why he didn't.
Like Placido cares about being selfish. He stole Skiel's Upgraded Parts, that jerk.

The crowd wants more of a lolCounterAttack because apparently, two turns of nearly killing each other was an Intense battle.
That, or:
BOMB BLAST BOMB BLAST BOMB BLAST
/knowsitwontworkbutwynaut

Yeah, but Placido losing in less than half of an episode didn't make Lucciano look too smart for losing either, imo. They didn't realize it until they knew they were screwed, so Lucciano didn't get to look like a moron. Go him. xD

Jack was more focused on showing the Tenors his power. I doubt that Jack even gave a damn about Infinite Spirit Machine. That's why he didn't bother until Yusei told him to do it. Grannel was the biggest threat, considering that Cubic relies COMPLETELY on them leaving the Cores out for the next Wheeler to grab. I wanna see Cubic's effect first though, before I completely mark him off as another horrible anime card. I mean, he's a Level 12 Effect Monster AND he's a single card Machine Emperor. He has to be somewhat good. D:

[quote name='^_^AxManBoy^_^' timestamp='1289517430' post='4777690']
I think Jose came up with both plans. Cause if Placido would have come up with the plans, They would have battled with all their Strength and Lucciano would have beaten Jack and Placido would have beaten Crow and Jose would still have been beaten by Yusei and the result of the duel would have been that aporia appears with his awesome Duel Runner. And then he summons Cubic and the rest turns out as the other episodes would have turned on
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Jose didn't know about Aporia, iirc.
Lucciano used all of the cards in his hand and Jack could keep getting around him, regardless of what he did. Lucciano lost pretty fairly, even if it was on purpose.

[Squirrel Girl]

If Jose didn't knew about Aporia, then why did he set Grand Core?

[iCherry]

[quote name='^_^AxManBoy^_^' timestamp='1289519133' post='4777760']
If Jose didn't knew about Aporia, then why did he set Grand Core?
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Placido is the one that discovered the existence of Aporia.
And Jose never set Grand Core yet, I think.

[Squirrel Girl]

Then, how can Aporia Set Grand Core? But, he might play with Jose's Duel Disc and his Deck and that he Set it from the Graveyard and he keep to duel Jose's duel with Yusei

[evilfusion]

[quote name='~Cherry~' timestamp='1289518545' post='4777740']
Oh, restricted. I never heard that part because I never got to watch the subs. ><
That makes more sense.

Lucciano was being a brat. He barely counts and isn't smart enough to come up with all of this anyway. You make another good point, but I just think that Placido came up with some of it, considering that I didn't see any signs of Jose coming up with the plan. ...That, or he did and I missed it, again.

Exactly. Losing this badly and having some of his pride wounded by Yusei destroying him probably made him submit to Jose's plans. Wait, none of them knew that Scar-Red Nova could use the removal effect until Lucciano tried to absorb it. Remember, Jack never used it until then, even though he could have against Thor. Only god knows why he didn't.
Like Placido cares about being selfish. He stole Skiel's Upgraded Parts, that jerk.

The crowd wants more of a lolCounterAttack because apparently, two turns of nearly killing each other was an Intense battle.
That, or:
BOMB BLAST BOMB BLAST BOMB BLAST
/knowsitwontworkbutwynaut

Yeah, but Placido losing in less than half of an episode didn't make Lucciano look too smart for losing either, imo. They didn't realize it until they knew they were screwed, so Lucciano didn't get to look like a moron. Go him. xD

Jack was more focused on showing the Tenors his power. I doubt that Jack even gave a damn about Infinite Spirit Machine. That's why he didn't bother until Yusei told him to do it. Grannel was the biggest threat, considering that Cubic relies COMPLETELY on them leaving the Cores out for the next Wheeler to grab. I wanna see Cubic's effect first though, before I completely mark him off as another horrible anime card. I mean, he's a Level 12 Effect Monster AND he's a single card Machine Emperor. He has to be somewhat good. D:



Jose didn't know about Aporia, iirc.
Lucciano used all of the cards in his hand and Jack could keep getting around him, regardless of what he did. Lucciano lost pretty fairly, even if it was on purpose.
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The sub I looked at for clarification, has the three of them on the building. Placido suggesting "using their full power in the final". Lucciano and Jose both give him "what?" looks. He clarifies "the hidden power that was restricted by ZONE". This can only refer to Aporia, in my opinion. The Machine Emperors weren't restricted, and Placido already showed the transformation he has.

I doubt Lucciano had any part in the making of the plan, but was instead forced to be the one who set it up. He didn't like the plan of losing on purpose, though, for when he lost, he got annoyed about it. I assume Jose made the plan because
1- The plan involves HIM doing the work, after team setup.
2- He's the plan guy, Placido's the guy who thinks it's going too slow and does his own thing.
3- Lucciano asked Jose's opinion on Placido's actions with tattletale mannerisms.
4- Placido commented on Infinite Spirit's activation, and Jose said it was as planned. When Lucciano lost, Jose reiterated that the plan was working. When Placido lost, he said the plan had come to fruitition and he'd do the rest. Sounds like Jose's plan.

That's true. And in seeing Lucciano fail to absorb Scar-Red, Placido did the combo with Lucciano's Trap to deal 2000 damage after failing to absorb it with Wisel as well, and knew he couldn't do anything about it next turn, when he just set 2 cards. It's still treated as if Placido isn't trying to fight back, when the fact is: HE CANT.

Yusei did notice Skiel was beaten a little too easily. Jack was pretty confident since Scar Red absolutely dominated Skiel and Wisel played by the same strategy. I always wondered what the limitations are for Scar Red's RFG effect, it was so weird. Rule of Drama, I guess.

Placido stealing Skiel actually makes sense if you think about it. Another layer of defense. Let's see Majestic Star Dragon (the thing that beat Wisel the first time) save Yusei now. Oh look, it CANT. Only Shooting Star with 4 attacks could break through Wisel's defenses. And it was funny to see Lucciano freak out.

What makes you think Jose didnt know about Aporia?

Lucciano did lose fairly, but I think it was somewhat along the lines of he's carrying cards in his deck MEANT to be passed to the next person, rather than his usual "counter EVERYTHING" strategy he used against Rua/Ruka.

[quote name='^_^AxManBoy^_^' timestamp='1289519658' post='4777784']
Then, how can Aporia Set Grand Core? But, he might play with Jose's Duel Disc and his Deck and that he Set it from the Graveyard and he keep to duel Jose's duel with Yusei
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Jose didn't lose yet. Aporia is technically a replacement for Jose, using his deck, field, and graveyard. So Aporia will activate Infinite Prison and set Grand Core.

[Squirrel Girl]

I just said that. That Aporia will continue Jose's duel but just with another Duel Runner

[evilfusion]

I checked another Sub. Placido said that when he got reborn, ZONE told him they should use their hidden power. So Placido more or less DID learn of Aporia, and the others (Lucciano definitely didn't know what Placido meant) didn't know until Placido explained it. Aporia is undoubtedly Placido's plan.

[iCherry]

@evil's recent post: Thanks for getting that part clarified.

[quote name='^_^AxManBoy^_^' timestamp='1289519658' post='4777784']
Then, how can Aporia Set Grand Core? But, he might play with Jose's Duel Disc and his Deck and that he Set it from the Graveyard and he keep to duel Jose's duel with Yusei
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He came in using Jose's current status. He isn't following the WRGP rules, so in reality, he's not a new Wheeler.

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1289519886' post='4777789']
The sub I looked at for clarification, has the three of them on the building. Placido suggesting "using their full power in the final". Lucciano and Jose both give him "what?" looks. He clarifies "the hidden power that was restricted by ZONE". This can only refer to Aporia, in my opinion. The Machine Emperors weren't restricted, and Placido already showed the transformation he has.

I doubt Lucciano had any part in the making of the plan, but was instead forced to be the one who set it up. He didn't like the plan of losing on purpose, though, for when he lost, he got annoyed about it. I assume Jose made the plan because
1- The plan involves HIM doing the work, after team setup.
2- He's the plan guy, Placido's the guy who thinks it's going too slow and does his own thing.
3- Lucciano asked Jose's opinion on Placido's actions with tattletale mannerisms.
4- Placido commented on Infinite Spirit's activation, and Jose said it was as planned. When Lucciano lost, Jose reiterated that the plan was working. When Placido lost, he said the plan had come to fruitition and he'd do the rest. Sounds like Jose's plan.

That's true. And in seeing Lucciano fail to absorb Scar-Red, Placido did the combo with Lucciano's Trap to deal 2000 damage after failing to absorb it with Wisel as well, and knew he couldn't do anything about it next turn, when he just set 2 cards. It's still treated as if Placido isn't trying to fight back, when the fact is: HE CANT.

Yusei did notice Skiel was beaten a little too easily. Jack was pretty confident since Scar Red absolutely dominated Skiel and Wisel played by the same strategy. I always wondered what the limitations are for Scar Red's RFG effect, it was so weird. Rule of Drama, I guess.

Placido stealing Skiel actually makes sense if you think about it. Another layer of defense. Let's see Majestic Star Dragon (the thing that beat Wisel the first time) save Yusei now. Oh look, it CANT. Only Shooting Star with 4 attacks could break through Wisel's defenses. And it was funny to see Lucciano freak out.

What makes you think Jose didnt know about Aporia?

Lucciano did lose fairly, but I think it was somewhat along the lines of he's carrying cards in his deck MEANT to be passed to the next person, rather than his usual "counter EVERYTHING" strategy he used against Rua/Ruka.
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That definitely explains things. So Placido's plan was to get the Cores, not lose on purpose. Thanks for clearing that up. ^^

Poor Lucciano got left out. I wish he did more. D:
...Those are all good points. Really good points. Number 2 though seems to be somewhat nullified at this point because Placido is finally listening to him.

But the crowd doesn't know that. They think that Placido is supposed to be the super amazing dude that knocks Jack out of the game for the next Wheeler, [i]only[/i] because he survived a piercing attack and inflicted 2900 damage to Jack.
In reality, the two really [i]didn't[/i] lose on purpose. They had to because they geared their deck up for Infinite Prison and Spirit Machine. xD

Yusei is the genius of the group. How else did he predict Zushin? I always thought that it was the same, which is why I was confused when Brave beat Jack with no hassle or resistance at all. I assumed it was some trap or something. Or maybe Brave used some Effect Veiler card without anyone noticing.

I think we all already knew that. It was just Placido stealing Skiel's parts that made him seem like a prick. Lol. Lucciano freaking out was hilarious. Placido's face when he saw Yusei topdeck 5 Tuners was just as, if not, even funnier.

If he did, wouldn't he have mentioned it first instead of Placido? Also, if he had that "What?" face in 131, how would he?

His Counter Counter Skiel deck against Rua/Ruka was pretty cool. Mainly because Lucciano could predict every move Lua planned. Luka didn't really do much but get Ancient Fairy Dragon out to get absorbed.

[Squirrel Girl]

What you mean by "He isn't following the WRGP rules, so in reality, he's not a new Wheeler."

Placido had planned all this from the beginning? That, they needed to lost so Aporia can get out Cubic? That is so awesome

[iCherry]

New Wheelers only inherit cards on the field left by the Wheeler before. Aporia is not entered as another Wheeler, so he will have ALL of Jose's cards.
...
That doesn't explain what happens to Jose's deck though. I mean, Aporia wouldn't run Grannel. o_O

evilfusion has already proved that Placido's Aporia plan and Jose's 12000+ ATK Grannel were thought of in the beginning.

[evilfusion]

I was pretty annoyed by how easily Lucciano was beaten. Skiel got so underappreciated. Only one episode for itself (78), Placido stole its Carrier upgrades (108), and then it got to show off Skiel Guard before getting crushed (131). But that just makes me love it more. Heehee.

And to my great pleasure, not only did Placido severely damage Jack, he could have WON. To me, that's proof that Placido is rivaled by Yusei and Yusei alone. Bomb Blast's changed effect can destroy 3 Machines and deal 400 each. (In 108, it only did 400 x the level of one destroyed machine, I think). Either way, he could have destroyed Attack, Carrier, and Top to deal 1200, or (with 108's effect), Wisel Guard 3.

Well, Lucciano's cards seemed to be: Sky Core, Twin Vortex, Infinite Prison, Infinite Spirit Machine, the Infinity card Placido used, and Skiel Carrier 5, and one unknown. He DEFINITLY got the short end of the stick.

Placido got Infinity Guard Formation, Wise Core, the Speed Spell, Wisel Guard 3, Wisel G3, Bomb Blast, and Infinity Echo or whatever that draw + burn card was. Placido's deck was just at a disadvantage because he was facing Scar-Red immediately.

I think I became a Lucciano/Skiel fan purely because Lucciano's style was awesome against the twins. He damaged Rua with Absurd Stealer, then set Trap Stun, Excess Summon and Torrential (squeal). Every turn from then on, he countered something and dealt damage.

I did later realize: Ruka was going to WIN if Lucciano didn't have Infinity Force.

The only thing that bugged me about the twins vs Lucciano duel was when Lucciano snapped when his plan failed, he had the foresight to use Speed World 2's effect to draw and then use Sky A3, then upgrade with Skiel Attack 5 afterwards, all while clearly P.O.ed and intending to beat the hell out of Rua. Um...not going to use Skiel's effect on Power Tool? It's...right there. It'd be faster...and a lot easier to take your rage seriously.

[Squirrel Girl]

Yea, but he said Jose was the planner, but since he is the leader, might was the one that planned that he was the last Wheeler. And Jose maybe didn't have a Grannel Deck. He maybe had a Deck that involves Cubic. I think Aporia will be taking over Jose's duel but with his own Deck

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[quote name='^_^AxManBoy^_^' timestamp='1289521569' post='4777880']
What you mean by "He isn't following the WRGP rules, so in reality, he's not a new Wheeler."

Placido had planned all this from the beginning? That, they needed to lost so Aporia can get out Cubic? That is so awesome
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Aporia is "technically" Jose for the purposes of the player. As for his deck...dont think about it too much. Duelists get new cards for no reason at all, especially when ZONE is involved. (Shooting Star being a blank Synchro card everytime Yusei summons it)

Placido was evidently told by ZONE that they should use their hidden power. This can only indicate Aporia because Grannel isn't hidden power. And no, I imagine the plan was "If Jose fails or is going to fail, we do Aporia as the last resort"

[Squirrel Girl]

If Aporia was the last resort, then, that means they were scared that Yusei would win? And in the first episode Yusei used majestic Star, Majestic Dragon just was added to his Deck, so people just get cards to their Decks while they duel. I have a question, do you guys and girls know how many fault there are in Yugioh 5D's episodes?

[iCherry]

They all knew about Shooting Star's 5 Attack Ability, that's what let them know that a backup plan probably would've been a good idea. Especially seeing as how Wisel and Grannel BOTH were killed by that, even though it was in different episodes.

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I was pretty annoyed by how easily Lucciano was beaten. Skiel got so underappreciated. Only one episode for itself (78), Placido stole its Carrier upgrades (108), and then it got to show off Skiel Guard before getting crushed (131). But that just makes me love it more. Heehee.

And to my great pleasure, not only did Placido severely damage Jack, he could have WON. To me, that's proof that Placido is rivaled by Yusei and Yusei alone. Bomb Blast's changed effect can destroy 3 Machines and deal 400 each. (In 108, it only did 400 x the level of one destroyed machine, I think). Either way, he could have destroyed Attack, Carrier, and Top to deal 1200, or (with 108's effect), Wisel Guard 3.

Well, Lucciano's cards seemed to be: Sky Core, Twin Vortex, Infinite Prison, Infinite Spirit Machine, the Infinity card Placido used, and Skiel Carrier 5, and one unknown. He DEFINITLY got the short end of the stick.

Placido got Infinity Guard Formation, Wise Core, the Speed Spell, Wisel Guard 3, Wisel G3, Bomb Blast, and Infinity Echo or whatever that draw + burn card was. Placido's deck was just at a disadvantage because he was facing Scar-Red immediately.

I think I became a Lucciano/Skiel fan purely because Lucciano's style was awesome against the twins. He damaged Rua with Absurd Stealer, then set Trap Stun, Excess Summon and Torrential (squeal). Every turn from then on, he countered something and dealt damage.

I did later realize: Ruka was going to WIN if Lucciano didn't have Infinity Force.

The only thing that bugged me about the twins vs Lucciano duel was when Lucciano snapped when his plan failed, he had the foresight to use Speed World 2's effect to draw and then use Sky A3, then upgrade with Skiel Attack 5 afterwards, all while clearly P.O.ed and intending to beat the hell out of Rua. Um...not going to use Skiel's effect on Power Tool? It's...right there. It'd be faster...and a lot easier to take your rage seriously.
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Skiel IS underappreciated. I mean, look at what Konami did to his Single Card Form. D:
Haha, you sure do like Skiel alot, don't you? xD

Hell, he was actually going to nearly(maybe completely) destroy the city and kill Yusei himself if he hadn't used the Accel Synchro. That was proof enough for me, even if he did use Skiel. Then, he nearly owns Jack, had it not been for their plan. If he destroyed Attack and Top, he could've somehow figured out how to get two monsters out on his turn to Summon Top 3 and Attack 3. We need to see Wisel Carrier 3 too. ><

The card was... Infinity Shot/Shoot, I believe. Lucciano seems to be that character that's just... there. Kinda like Crow. I REALLY don't want him to turn out like that.

Echo Mirror is the card. If it wasn't for Scar-Red Nova, it's likely that Placido would've completely destroyed Jack with no hassle at all.

Seeing Torrential made my day. <3
Lucciano was pretty much running most of the duel himself.

...Oh yeah. I completely forgot.
Also, didn't Luka know that she could've used Speed World 2 to at least draw another card to live? It's kinda like what Yusei did to Harald, ending his turn for him. o_O

I never understood why Lucciano didn't just calm down for ten seconds to steal Power Tool. Sky A3 wasn't even needed at that moment, or Speed World 2. Characters in 5D's need to stop flipping out so much and actually take their moves one step at a time. Like Yusei in 134 when he forgot to use Formula Synchron's effect.

Discussions with you are fun man. ;D

[Squirrel Girl]

I hate long text when I am tired cause it is annoying to read when you are tired. Though when I have read all you have wrote, it make sense

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[quote name='~Cherry~' timestamp='1289522894' post='4777972']
They all knew about Shooting Star's 5 Attack Ability, that's what let them know that a backup plan probably would've been a good idea. Especially seeing as how Wisel and Grannel BOTH were killed by that, even though it was in different episodes.



Skiel IS underappreciated. I mean, look at what Konami did to his Single Card Form. D:
Haha, you sure do like Skiel alot, don't you? xD

Hell, he was actually going to nearly(maybe completely) destroy the city and kill Yusei himself if he hadn't used the Accel Synchro. That was proof enough for me, even if he did use Skiel. Then, he nearly owns Jack, had it not been for their plan. If he destroyed Attack and Top, he could've somehow figured out how to get two monsters out on his turn to Summon Top 3 and Attack 3. We need to see Wisel Carrier 3 too. ><

The card was... Infinity Shot/Shoot, I believe. Lucciano seems to be that character that's just... there. Kinda like Crow. I REALLY don't want him to turn out like that.

Echo Mirror is the card. If it wasn't for Scar-Red Nova, it's likely that Placido would've completely destroyed Jack with no hassle at all.

Seeing Torrential made my day. <3
Lucciano was pretty much running most of the duel himself.

...Oh yeah. I completely forgot.
Also, didn't Luka know that she could've used Speed World 2 to at least draw another card to live? It's kinda like what Yusei did to Harald, ending his turn for him. o_O

I never understood why Lucciano didn't just calm down for ten seconds to steal Power Tool. Sky A3 wasn't even needed at that moment, or Speed World 2. Characters in 5D's need to stop flipping out so much and actually take their moves one step at a time. Like Yusei in 134 when he forgot to use Formula Synchron's effect.

Discussions with you are fun man. ;D
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Skiel is awesome. It looks cool and it's the unappreciated member of the Machine Emperors. Wisel was given an absurd amount of screen time and plot emphasis and Grannel's broken as hell.

I have the theory Wisel doesn't HAVE a Carrier upgrade. And had Placido killed Top, Attack, and Carrier, he'd still have Guard 3 in place.

I agree, which is why I admire Placido. He could have beaten Jack himself at the cost of losing to Crow.

Lucciano's annoying sometimes, and he's amusing, too. I hope he gets more presence, though.

Ruka could have drawn, but she already used her Normal Summon and I doubt she has much of an S/T lineup. Lucciano's rage was evidently so great, he had to do MORE moves to express it all. What was he going to do at the start of his turn had Rua not used Power Break? On a hunch, maybe...STEAL THE SYNCHRO RUA "STUPIDLY" SUMMONED?

I just assume Yusei drew so as not to affect his stacking.

I love the discussions, too.

[iCherry]

@Ax's recent post: Cubic is what we're all waiting for.
As a Level 12 Effect monster, it better be good.

Wisel is basically the Main Machine Emperor. Grannel is broke, and becomes even more stupid broken once he absorbs a Synchro Monster. Skiel still has alot of potential going for it.

Huh. I kinda thought he would have one, because I thought we'd eventually see the Machine Emperors will all upgraded parts. With Wisel Guard 3, Placido could've actually kept going and possibly beat Crow.

Crow is Crow, he probably would've had one of those badass moments to beat Placido though.
I mean, he did almost beat Grannel. o_o

Honestly, it's the laugh that everyone is annoyed with. I don't mind it at all.

She sets Mirror Force.
...
Okay, it probably wouldn't work, but hey, I had to guess. xD

Lua thought "I'LL GET IT BACK FROM THE SYNCHRO KILLER WITH A [i]SYNCHRO[/i] MONSTER!".
Horrible idea, as usual.

But then, Yusei predicted his 5 Tuner Monsters- wait, he's Yusei. Never mind, that would've happened regardless.