Trio of DEF

[Deustodo]

Still the FTK seems like terrorists.

[Andx]

@Andx-Yeah, I care for the opinions of my readers ;)

And of course the one remaining issue which I totally didn't forget about will be resolved in Chapter 14 where things will be cool and the issue which I don't need clarification on what it is will be covered and all will be swell. Yes, that one issue, vague and hazy to some, is not so to me B)

I can see how some people might question you, "What issue would you be referring to Andx?" and while I know the answer, I believe people's memories will be hazy as to what that was since it was a week ago or so, do you mind refreshing their minds as a favor for me :P

It's okay to just ask for clarification, lol.

 

Anyway, it's not important. I want to watch and see if you address it without me saying anything. If you don't then I'll point it out after chapter 14.

[Fusion X. Denver]

I WOULD kidnap you.......

:3

Good chap.

 

Yeah >.>

But thanks (1st positive from you..)

Still the FTK seems like terrorists.

 

How?

 

Andx, not pointing it out eh?

Well, I guess we'll see if I address it or not, may look back and see if I missed anything.

[Andx]

Andx, not pointing it out eh?

Well, I guess we'll see if I address it or not, may look back and see if I missed anything.

Consider it a game of sorts, lol.

It's really insignificant. You probably won't catch it. But we'll see. And if you do think you've found it, don't say. I want to see in the next chapter whether or not you did.

[Big Bad Pennar]

Still the FTK seems like terrorists.

 

More like "Anti-heroes" rather than terrorists, They are still at war with Life, or at least some

[Nexev]

I realized something Creator's plan can't work since not only will I go unoticed through the media uproar that will come from the relization that the FTK are kids, but Creator has no dirt on me since HE ERASED MY RECORDS.

 

I don't exist anymore, as such there is no proof.

 

Especially since I was using a fake name.

 

The only evidence he has is his own testimony, he doesn't exist on record and any evidence will condemn himself as a menber of the FTK.

 

Plus fraud exists, nobody will believe him.

 

How would a teenager even co run a organization without his existence being public knowledge?

 

Goverments can't work in secrecy and the public simutanusly, if Roxas is known either I am known or my position itself is a secret (as in, no one knows there is a coleader).

 

So Creator plans to reveal that a nonexistant teen has a nonexistant position of power over a widely popular goverment agency? OR reveal said nonexistant teen is secretly the mysterious legendary coleader guy?

 

And somehow I am incapable of getting someone older to contradict this by having him pose as me instead?

 

He CAN'T follow through.

 

It's nothing but a bluff.

 

If I can tell this then.... well I can tell this.

 

If you get my drift.

[Fusion X. Denver]

So hard to please >__>

 

I realized something Creator's plan can't work since not only will I go unoticed through the media uproar that will come from the relization that the FTK are kids, but Creator has no dirt on me since HE ERASED MY RECORDS.

I said the FTK would join the Organization. Did I say the members themselves would reveal themselves?

No, they're sticking with masking themselves on missions to avoid more media attention then they'll get.

And did you really think Creator would delete everything without backing it up somewhere >__>

I don't exist anymore, as such there is no proof.

Like I said, Creator wasn't stupid enough to delete without backing them up.

Especially since I was using a fake name.

 

The only evidence he has is his own testimony, he doesn't exist on record and any evidence will condemn himself as a menber of the FTK.

Which is being cleared..

Through blackmail sure, but still cleared.

Plus fraud exists, nobody will believe him.

 

How would a teenager even co run a organization without his existence being public knowledge?

Simple, he implements change and handles leaderly duties alongside the leader without telling anybody. And when the leader also doesn't tell anybody.

Goverments can't work in secrecy and the public simutanusly, if Roxas is known either I am known or my position itself is a secret (as in, no one knows there is a coleader).

Correct, no one knows there is a coleader.

So Creator plans to reveal that a nonexistant teen has a nonexistant position of power over a widely popular goverment agency? OR reveal said nonexistant teen is secretly the mysterious legendary coleader guy?

It's not even about the government, more like the general public. And of course the government would know who you are, but knows how the public would react if they knew, so they also keep it under wraps. And before you ask why they ever let you colead the Orgy, you proved yourself worthy to them.

And somehow I am incapable of getting someone older to contradict this by having him pose as me instead?

Not following you here.

He CAN'T follow through.

 

It's nothing but a bluff.

 

If I can tell this then.... well I can tell this.

 

If you get my drift.

 

Somehow I sense this won't end it, but I'll listen >__>

[Nexev]

No it's simple, if I tattle on Creator, reveal him as a FTK and such then basically he can't really stop me.

 

I am off the record, if the coleader position is secret than no one will even belive Nexev Frohawk exists.

 

No one will believe him plus I can simply have a double who's older to contradict Creator's claims.

 

My existence will become akin to Area 51, I'd be famous but no one will believe it really.

 

Because it would be this: A random person is really a random person who secretly controls the goverment.

 

Imagine if I said that Fredrick Smith was really Benjamin Northwood who secretly manipulated the president.

 

No one will buy it.

 

Same thing here.

 

The public won't believe it since it's simply ridiculous.

 

Creator really can't follow through his threat. I don't exist, even the Nevin file that was erased was a fake id.

 

There is no way of proving my existence, even if I confessed to it, I can have myself committed by pulling strings and STILL do my job behind the scenes.

 

Unless Roxas straight out says I exist and control XIII I can basically get away with any bit of evidence I want.

[Fusion X. Denver]

Actually.

He could.

This is the part where you're gonna roll your eyes, but since Creator was put into a corner, he had one last act of desperation he could do that would give him complete credibility.

Alas, I cannot tell you, for it's a major plot point.

Gotta remember that even if things don't seem to make sense during a story, they'll usually be explained by the end of it ;)

[Nexev]

See I doubt that.

 

There are so many ways out of this situation that it hurts.

 

And even if Creator has a way out, I have no way of knowing it and thus don't have any way of caring and therefore I still can reveal him.

 

Plus if I do reveal him his credibility is shot and if he has some trick like really being a mod or some s*** well then, I am completly immune then aren't I?

 

Who gives a f*** if a coleader of the police is a Kid if he's the same age as his superior, I'd still go unnoticed.

 

Unless he could get Roxas to make the threat it's worthless and if he could then all he really had to do was get Roxas to follow through with his orders and get me to follow them through Roxas.

 

Even if I didn't like it I would still have to follow them.

 

Rather he simply is trying to blackmail me, which has never been a good idea ever.

 

Especially since I already know how to get out.

 

Even if the plan won't work there is no way I can know that and thus no reason for me not to.

[Fusion X. Denver]

See I doubt that.

 

There are so many ways out of this situation that it hurts.

 

And even if Creator has a way out, I have no way of knowing it and thus don't have any way of caring and therefore I still can reveal him.

He definitely did. True that you wouldn't know, but the fact that Creator committed terrorism, has super-intelligence, and has the capability to find out one of the Orgy's deepest secrets, meant he couldn't just let him go either. And Creator made it clear he WOULD reveal Nex as the coleader even if it meant exposing himself, why else would he go as far as to blackmail the Orgy? If he was ready to go that far, it meant he either had a plan or was out of options (and a terrorist in desperation is a VOLATILE threat)

In short, you either had to arrest/kill him or comply with his demands.

And even if you say Nex should have just killed him then, having Creator work for the Orgy would only bring benefits to them; America even took in Nazi scientists after Hitler fell, so they do so here. And Nex knew himself that Donovyn was the only real terrorist, as he joined and knew the FTK members and that they only killed on orders, as shown in that 2nd statement about Pop Park.

Plus if I do reveal him his credibility is shot and if he has some trick like really being a mod or some s*** well then, I am completly immune then aren't I?

Trust me, his would overshoot yours. By far.

You'll see in due time.

Who gives a f*** if a coleader of the police is a Kid if he's the same age as his superior, I'd still go unnoticed.

I never exactly revealed Roxas' age...

He's in his mid to late twenties.

And you're a kid.

People would panic thinking a kid was ruling over a government agency, even if alongside Roxas.

[Nexev]

Look if I knew nothing about Creator's trick then I would still follow with it. Even if we accepted nazi scientists we did it out of free will, not blackmail.

 

So while I would have done it if he simply asked the fact that he blackmailed me means I actually HAVE to kill him since you don't give the terrorists more power. It's the rule. Whatever he could do to me is not as bad as what he could do if I let him get stronger.

 

You don't feed a cancer, you don't negotiate with terroists, if it's comply or die then you have to pay the ultimate sacrifice for your country.

 

It's standard policy.

 

Even if I know Creator isn't evil that is thrown out the window when he both blackmails me and all this stuff, I can't assume he'll be begin, nor can I assume that he won't keep pulling the damn trick.

 

The only safe bet is make him follow through his threat, it's simple logic. Anything he can do now is not as bad as what he can do later.

 

And if Creator is this bigshot or whatever it is that makes him credible so I can't slip through like I think I can then that would be such a uproar that my existence would pale by comparison and be pretty much ignored.

 

And if he reveals himself well no one will believe him since he's a child terrorist, he'd clearly be insane and I can just have him commited.

 

Boom, problem solved.

 

And if it's none of these reasons and neither me nor the character me know them then I simply have no reason NOT to do it.

 

Since I have no way of knowing that I shouldn't.

[Fusion X. Denver]

Look if I knew nothing about Creator's trick then I would still follow with it. Even if we accepted nazi scientists we did it out of free will, not blackmail.

Yes, but Creator didn't think you'd be willing to accept them even if they just asked and offered their cooperation. He went with blackmail because he thought it'd be the best course of action to take rather than a simple offer, which he wouldn't have much credibility to do as that's like a prisoner offering to do community service rather than being imprisoned. It was his judgment call, and any repercussions the Orgy would be wary of will soon be dispelled.

So while I would have done it if he simply asked the fact that he blackmailed me means I actually HAVE to kill him since you don't give the terrorists more power. It's the rule. Whatever he could do to me is not as bad as what he could do if I let him get stronger.

 

You don't feed a cancer, you don't negotiate with terroists, if it's comply or die then you have to pay the ultimate sacrifice for your country.

 

It's standard policy.

Your identity is of the highest importance, political instability that can collapse a city or more is a serious situation. And Creator was willing to compensate the Orgy with his benefits which Nex learned after hearing him out, and decided to run with it. It may have been done through blackmail, but Nex knows Creator will prove to be a valuable asset and isn't the same as Donovyn. The fact Creator went to such lengths to form this alliance with the Orgy meant he only sought out the means to purge Yugo of Life and the Inactive, which has been a pain in the Orgy's butt since forever.

Even if I know Creator isn't evil that is thrown out the window when he both blackmails me and all this stuff, I can't assume he'll be begin, nor can I assume that he won't keep pulling the damn trick.

Creator only did it to gain access to the Orgy. Nothing more against them will be done and I think he made it clear he'll be of great help.

The only safe bet is make him follow through his threat, it's simple logic. Anything he can do now is not as bad as what he can do later.

Except you know he won't do anything later, his goal is to destroy the Inactive, same as everyone's and he's using these means to not seek death, but to prevent it.

And if Creator is this bigshot or whatever it is that makes him credible so I can't slip through like I think I can then that would be such a uproar that my existence would pale by comparison and be pretty much ignored.

At first maybe, but news dies down and soon people would pay attention to you again. Once acknowledged by the media, you never fade into complete obscurity

And if he reveals himself well no one will believe him since he's a child terrorist, he'd clearly be insane and I can just have him commited.

Like I said, all will be revealed in due time.

[Nexev]

But after the uproar and the initial shock everything would die down and no one will care anymore since it's old news. It actually benefits me greatly since I can work in the open now.

 

But whatever, I'll just see what happens.

[Nexev]

But after the uproar and the initial shock everything would die down and no one will care anymore since it's old news. It actually benefits me greatly since I can work in the open now.

 

But whatever, I'll just see what happens.

[Sploda]

...

 

Don't I even get a say in this?

 

In all honesty I wouldn't have blackmailed Nexev, I would have just asked to join the Orgy and lie low for awhile...

[Fusion X. Denver]

...

After setting fire to a festival/park, shooting an extremist, and shish-kebabbing nerds, you felt you had no credible ground to stand on..

Look, there'll be less terrorism in the future, just know that >___>

[Sploda]

@Fusion

I was complaining about what you did, I'm just saying if it were really me then I would have either:

 

1) Overthrown DMG before even committing Terrorism

2) Already been a member of the Organization and Nex was sent to back me up

3) If it still came to that scene I would have just asked, regardless of what grounds I had

 

Blackmail is my last resort, always.

[Nexev]

...

After setting fire to a festival/park, shooting an extremist, and shish-kebabbing nerds, you felt you had no credible ground to stand on..

Look, there'll be less terrorism in the future, just know that >___>

By trying to black mail he had even less credible ground to stand on.

 

I am aware of all that Creator did and why, if he deserved to not die or whatever then he would have been accepted irregardless, even if I have to shadow him to make sure he doesn't try anything.

 

If he wasn't then I'd have simply laughed him off and warned him to not be in my line of sight again as I walked away.

 

With blackmail it's allot more different since Creator's intents seem far more sinister if he has to rely on threats to back him up. I would have simply murdered him and got Roxas to publicly denounce the claims as fraud so no one would believe the source.

 

It would have been the best solution.

[Sploda]

By trying to black mail he had even less credible ground to stand on.

 

I am aware of all that Creator did and why, if he deserved to not die or whatever then he would have been accepted irregardless, even if I have to shadow him to make sure he doesn't try anything.

 

If he wasn't then I'd have simply laughed him off and warned him to not be in my line of sight again as I walked away.

 

With blackmail it's allot more different since Creator's intents seem far more sinister if he has to rely on threats to back him up. I would have simply murdered him and got Roxas to publicly denounce the claims as fraud so no one would believe the source.

 

It would have been the best solution.

 

You see Fusion if you were thinking like me when you wrote this chapter piece then you would have to come to the same conclusion, yes it owuld be less dramatic but it would have been more realistic at least when compared to the real me.

[Fusion X. Denver]

@Fusion

I was complaining about what you did, I'm just saying if it were really me then I would have either:

 

1) Overthrown DMG before even committing Terrorism

You thought things were fine until the war with Pikachu. That was a bit much, since no one was hurt in the Pop Park thing.

2) Already been a member of the Organization and Nex was sent to back me up

Nah, the story wouldn't be the same. And I only decided to include the Orgy while I was thinking of Chapter 11 and 12's plots (which was done after making 10)

3) If it still came to that scene I would have just asked, regardless of what grounds I had

 

Blackmail is my last resort, always.

Well, I tried to enact that scenario, but Nex has exploited the flaws that I did not see until he mentioned them.

So I guess it's my bad I went with the blackmail scenario, but it'll end in the same way as if you asked him so whatever :/

[Sploda]

@Fusion

You don't get it, you've left me in a leadership position. As a leader my strongest weapons are Connections and appearances. By forcing me to Blackmail Nexev, your've cost me one of my two strongest weapons.

 

You've left me a crippled Leader.

[Enma Kozato]

Oh my god. You two are acting like this is a real world situation. The characters i this fic may not be exactly like you or make the decisions you would make. Gosh.

[Sploda]

@Chase

I'm talking from my Creator persona's POV. What he is doing is more like Enzax, always going to the worst case scenario.

[Fusion X. Denver]

I sound like Mr. Smith crossed with a badass agent.

 

F*** yeah, great job.

 

What happened to this?

>___>

I'm saying it's not really gonna backfire on you (or maybe it will, guess you'll find out) and it's not like I can edit the story.

So, sorry for the inaccurate characterization, but it's not gonna be a huge factor :/