You know what....[Card Help Zone]

[Kuri]

So you guys may have seen/posted/argued in my thread to possibly make a post limit and/or design a new forum for new card makers (which was not clearly said :/ ) But yea first of all I'd like to say my idea wasn't the best (insert description here). Now I wanna help those who are rusty at card making (me) and those new. An entire thread where new/rusty card makers could post their cards and get reviews for them. I know what your thinking -STUPID- because that's what regular threads in card making is for. Well lately I've seen [quote] No, just no...[/quote] and [quote]Epic Fail[/quote] and sometimes [quote=troll] Very bad please don't post here again...[/quote] *exaggeration of quotes alright* so I want to build a safe place where new members (and rusty) can securely post their cards without getting responses like that. More information will be given if you think the above (summary) is a good "plot" for what I'm trying to say. In a [spoiler] of course. Below vvvvv *but not yet*

[Icy]

Link me to any and all users like that. I haven't had the time to read such posts and no one has been reporting them (I do read reports now). It has been bothering me, but I am hesitant to implement a new policy that handles such replies as I myself am only able to catch a few on my own time; which makes people think I'm singling them out.

[J-Max]

I for one seriously consider something like this. Josh, i'll stay on the lookout for Troublemakers. Why not just up the Warn Rate to 20% - 30% - 50% for a total of 100?

[CMRenji]

[b]No Support.

Most New Members would probably ignore the Thread if it was made and post their cards on their own Threads. Plus Trolls could still post comments like that on the suggested Thread if said Thread was made.[/b]

[Icy]

Impossible under the new system. Currently there is a 3 Warn per day limit, and no actual results for how far it goes. Meaning all the warning system is "This is how close you are to having X happen to you". Once it hits a certain value, you have even less permission to say what happens to you (not that anyone had any to begin with; but it is fair to let them speak and opinions be considered).

[Kuri]

I'm trying to find the threads now...

EDIT: http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/forum/9-realistic-cards/page__prune_day__100__sort_by__Z-A__sort_key__last_post__topicfilter__all__st__180

this page on....I'll be on the look for the specific threads where I've exaggerated the quotes (not going to lie I posted some put downs also)

[John A. Zoidberg]

[quote name='Lieutenant Renji' timestamp='1284769890' post='4635396']
[b]No Support.

Most New Members would probably ignore the Thread if it was made and post their cards on their own Threads. Plus Trolls could still post comments like that on the suggested Thread if said Thread was made.[/b]
[/quote]

You're just being hypothetical. The word [b]probably[/b] is what makes your post ridiculous for giving no support. Either way, just HAVING the thread wouldn't be a bad idea. You shouldn't completely dismiss the idea just because some people MIGHT not ignore it.

I support.

[Sorrow.]

[quote name='Mecha Pedobear' timestamp='1284783360' post='4636065']
You're just being hypothetical. The word [b]probably[/b] is what makes your post ridiculous for giving no support. Either way, just HAVING the thread wouldn't be a bad idea. You shouldn't completely dismiss the idea just because some people MIGHT not ignore it.

I support.
[/quote]
See now your being a hypocrite, you used the word [b]MIGHT[/b] in your post which is the same as [b]probably[/b]. From my experience of handling noobs his hypothesis is still correct.

This is completely useless.... Just report what you see no need to make a pinned thread about it, also people will comment horribly on the thread because I don't think that Icy or Phantom Roxas would babysit the thread. No support.

[John A. Zoidberg]

[quote name='Cpt. Sorrow' timestamp='1284790588' post='4636230']
See now your being a hypocrite, you used the word [b]MIGHT[/b] in your post which is the same as [b]probably[/b]. From my experience of handling noobs his hypothesis is still correct.

This is completely useless.... Just report what you see no need to make a pinned thread about it, also people will comment horribly on the thread because I don't think that Icy or Phantom Roxas would babysit the thread. No support.
[/quote]

I used might in the exact same scenario as his.
If you read it correctly, then you'd realize that your post just made you look like an idiot.
Renji said, "Noobs would probably just ignore it."
I said, "Don't shoot it down just because noobs might not go there."

I basically said the exact same thing as him, but worded differently and used to show him that he should give it a chance.
And a hypothesis cannot be proven correct until the experiment, or in this case the thread, was at least tried. You cannot say his hypothesis is correct, as we've had no chance to see how it would turn out yet.

And in that post, I meant to say "Might ignore it."
Not, "Might not ignore it." A simple typo, nothing more, nothing less.

[Dranzer]

[quote name='Mecha Pedobear' timestamp='1284821950' post='4636809']
I used might in the exact same scenario as his.
If you read it correctly, then you'd realize that your post just made you look like an idiot.
Renji said, "Noobs would probably just ignore it."
I said, "Don't shoot it down just because noobs [b]won't[/b] go there."

I basically said the exact same thing as him, but worded differently and used to show him that he should give it a chance.
And a hypothesis cannot be proven correct until the experiment, or in this case the thread, was at least tried. You cannot say his hypothesis is correct, as we've had no chance to see how it would turn out yet.

And in that post, I meant to say "Might ignore it."
Not, "Might not ignore it." A simple typo, nothing more, nothing less.
[/quote]

fixed.Before going on braging think of yourself when you were a n00b here.Would you go look in a specific forum to read the rules that you don't realy care about.If the n00b is a n00b to the internet then they will have horrible cards,but still must be rated properly with no trollin.That would help a n00b expend.If the [i]newb[/i] is experienced on forums,but not on this one there result wil be much better.

In other words n00bs never go searching for the rules of a forum,even less a section. The whole problem is trolls and that is handled with the report button.

[John A. Zoidberg]

[quote name='Dranzer' timestamp='1284823630' post='4636885']
fixed.Before going on braging think of yourself when you were a n00b here.Would you go look in a specific forum to read the rules that you don't realy care about.If the n00b is a n00b to the internet then they will have horrible cards,but still must be rated properly with no trollin.That would help a n00b expend.If the [i]newb[/i] is experienced on forums,but not on this one there result wil be much better.

In other words n00bs never go searching for the rules of a forum,even less a section. The whole problem is trolls and that is handled with the report button.
[/quote]

I wasn't bragging, I was support something that I felt should happen.
You guys are basically just setting up "what if" scenarios.
"Oh, but what if noobs don't wanna go there?"
Okay, well what if pedobear was your father. Just a scenario that could be real, but not necessarily.
Although, Dranzer's the only one to raise a significant point so far. Renji's was "Noobs probably won't go there." Pedobear probably isn't your father because he likes the young'ns. Cpt. Sorrow's was that I was a hypocrite, despite the fact that my post was entirely against the use of the word might, I just had a simple typo because of a bad habit I have. Dranzer, you DID have a good point. I just still stand by my place of support. Sure, maybe people won't pay attention to it, but it wouldn't hurt at least having it there just in case.

And I honestly don't see how standing by my point is bragging. Bragging would be if I said, "Hey, look! I'm a 5-star! I think we should make this! Because I'm a 5-star!" That would me just making up false points to make myself look good. My support of this thread has absolutely nothing to do with me. And, I mean, my name is about a robotic bear with a thing for little kids. If I cared what people thought about me enough to brag, I'd probably choose a bit more of a normal name. But no, I'm not bragging. What I was doing did not even fit the definition of bragging.

[Dranzer]

[quote name='Mecha Pedobear' timestamp='1284827832' post='4637116']
I wasn't bragging, I was support something that I felt should happen.
You guys are basically just setting up "what if" scenarios.
"Oh, but what if noobs don't wanna go there?"
Okay, well what if pedobear was your father. Just a scenario that could be real, but not necessarily.
[b]Daddy?[/b]
Although, Dranzer's the only one to raise a significant point so far. Renji's was "Noobs probably won't go there." Pedobear probably isn't your father because he likes the young'ns. Cpt. Sorrow's was that I was a hypocrite, despite the fact that my post was entirely against the use of the word might, I just had a simple typo because of a bad habit I have. Dranzer, you DID have a good point. I just still stand by my place of support. Sure, maybe people won't pay attention to it, but it wouldn't hurt at least having it there just in case.
[b]The point is if a thread was made for noobs how what would people post in it?CC isn't exactly top stuff from what it was.Along with that most likely onloy new people or trolls will post.Again I'm using the aldo,but realy.If a poll was ran on how many experianced members would look it up and post you'll see bad results.[/b]

And I honestly don't see how standing by my point is bragging. Bragging would be if I said, "Hey, look! I'm a 5-star! I think we should make this! Because I'm a 5-star!" That would me just making up false points to make myself look good. My support of this thread has absolutely nothing to do with me.
[b]Nobody's saying that.[/b]
And, I mean, my name is about a robotic bear with a thing for little kids. If I cared what people thought about me enough to brag, I'd probably choose a bit more of a normal name. But no, I'm not bragging. What I was doing did not even fit the definition of bragging. Your name is nothing in comparesent to the weird names I've seen.
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[John A. Zoidberg]

Actually, Dranzer, you DID say I was bragging. Denying that is blatantly, well, moronic.
And what I'm saying is, no bad will come from making the thread. It won't hurt anyone, so why not just take a chance?
And the daddy thing was good for teh lulz.

[Dranzer]

[quote name='Mecha Pedobear' timestamp='1284835107' post='4637472']
Actually, Dranzer, you DID say I was bragging. Denying that is blatantly, well, moronic.
[b]I wasn't reffering to the braging,but to the part you think people are making you look bad.[/b]
And what I'm saying is, no bad will come from making the thread. It won't hurt anyone, so why not just take a chance?
[b]I think this has been tried out before,so mods probably won't allow it.[/b]
And the daddy thing was good for teh lulz.
[/quote]

[John A. Zoidberg]

Well, whatever. I support this still. It's that simple.

[Catterjune]

Eh, to my mind most people get what they give out in terms of card creation. If you (General you. Not you, specifically) make Captain Derp, Herp Type, level Hurrr Durr, don't be surprised if people think poorly of it.

However, I personally find "No" and "Epic Fail" to be more helpful feedback than "Good" "10/10" and such. If people tell you you're doing poorly, you know you need to improve on things. Granted, you don't know what specifically you need to improve upon, but as a card maker you should know what makes a good card and what makes a bad card. Even if you have no idea how to make a card better, you can always ask the other person what they think should be improved upon.

If you get everyone riding your junk, you'll end up with a false sense of superiority and then just make yourself look like a fool when someone calls you out on your less-than-stellar cards.

On a completely unrelated note, there's like 4 sub-forums for cards, aren't there? If you want rusty Card Makers to help fix themselves back up, get the word out to head towards Any Other Cards or Written Cards and set up shop there instead of the super fast and super active Realistic Cards. Noobs and w/e turn Realistic Cards into a waste land. Real members who aren't idiots screw around in Other and Written.

On-topic: No support from me. Waste of time making MORE topics that noobs won't read.

[Icy]

Honestly, Pika if it wasn't as bad as it is nowdays I wouldn't be so restrictive. But as it stands, it goes on the whole "If you have nothing good to say, Don't say it" policy we were all told as kids. And considering we want more activity than blatant insults yeah. Also, since this is a creative aspect moreso than a competition. If you say "This card is bad" and not explain why, you're driving a person away. Whereas, "Good 10/10" keeps them around and lets them find their own little nest of comfort to improve upon.

[Arthas3]

I am a n00b as u put it. Im not good with card maker but i try. I feel that this should be supported because some ppl have very sensitive feelings, and if u tell them that there card sucks horribly u might brake their heart. Instead i beleive u should at least try to give methods of improvment on the card., as opposed to saying it sucks horribly. Also concerning the hypothesis argument, if u cant prove ur hypothesis using an experiment its useless. The idea is good and should be given a try. If the experiment fails to show this hypothesis, the whole argument is moot, as is the idea!

[Sander]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1284865230' post='4639118']
Also, since this is a creative aspect moreso than a competition. If you say "This card is bad" and not explain why, you're driving a person away. Whereas, "Good 10/10" keeps them around and lets them find their own little nest of comfort to improve upon.[/quote]

Saying that will just make the new person ignorant to the fact that their card is horrible. What if their card is really, and I mean really bad? And by that I mean totally unrealistic, unrecognisable English with 9999 ATK and DEF. and overpowered effect(s).

Are we supposed to abide the "If you have nothing good to say, Don't say it" clause and keep the person in the dark that their card is horrible? By the looks of your post Josh, yes, we are.

If a person says that the card is bad, and doesn't give a reason why, well, that's their own choice. And the same goes to the card maker. If somebody says that your card is bad, you have two choices: either ask the person what does he think is bad about the card, or if the person doesn't answer, ask somebody else. Ask as long as it takes, until you find somebody who tells you the answer you were looking for.

Or you can give up, make a thread on Comments & Suggestions and just b**** about it.

[quote name='Arthas3' timestamp='1289760676' post='4784547']
I am a n00b as u put it. Im not good with card maker but i try. I feel that this should be supported because some ppl have very sensitive feelings, and if u tell them that there card sucks horribly u might brake their heart.[/quote]

If a person is that sensitive that they cannot accept any kind of criticism without crying, they shouldn't try doing anything in the lines of Card Making or anything else creative, really.

[TheComposer]

[quote name='Arthas3' timestamp='1289760676' post='4784547']
I am a n00b as u put it. Im not good with card maker but i try. I feel that this should be supported because some ppl have very sensitive feelings, and if u tell them that there card sucks horribly u might brake their heart. Instead i beleive u should at least try to give methods of improvment on the card., as opposed to saying it sucks horribly. Also concerning the hypothesis argument, if u cant prove ur hypothesis using an experiment its useless. The idea is good and should be given a try. If the experiment fails to show this hypothesis, the whole argument is moot, as is the idea!
[/quote]
So far your a newb, not a n00b.

newb = a new person
n00b = someone who trolls, breaks the rules, is annoying, etc.

[Icy]

[quote name='Zandaa Roaisu' timestamp='1289772978' post='4785250']
Saying that will just make the new person ignorant to the fact that their card is horrible. What if their card is really, and I mean really bad? And by that I mean totally unrealistic, unrecognisable English with 9999 ATK and DEF. and overpowered effect(s).
[/quote]

If you don't have confidence in yourself to tell them nicely (the card is probably a joke anyway), use this little button [img]http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/public/style_images/overlayblue/report.png[/img]or report it in the thread in my sig. If they refuse to listen, you know I give a little more leeway than I'm saying but don't push it.