Max Darkness vs. Caeda LOCK.

[Clair]

Sorry, Max. I like Caeda's more. It gives support for a less-known monster.

 

Also, your card is broken with Frogs and such. ><

 

Caeda GMV.

[Max Darkness]

5-5.

 

Dang...this is going to go down to the wire. Thanks for the vote, but I personally wouldn't have seen "Frogs" as being used a lot with "Daedalus" as Fish have enough swarming capabilities of their own. And with "Umi" on the field, Level 4s become suitable material for my card...

[Exiro]

5-5.

 

Dang...this is going to go down to the wire. Thanks for the vote, but I personally wouldn't have seen "Frogs" as being used a lot with "Daedalus" as Fish have enough swarming capabilities of their own. And with "Umi" on the field, Level 4s become suitable material for my card...

Nono, that's A Legendary Ocean.

[Master White]

Nono, that's A Legendary Ocean.

I agree, that spell card, and the trap card thats the same, I can't remember, but have 3 of the traps that are treated as uni, and three "A legendary Oceans" and 3 "Tornado Walls" and gravity bind, you are virtual stalled for awhile. I did it to an anti meta deck at the time and would have won if I wasn't stupid and destroyed my Field spell, b/c that destroyed Tornado Wall. Well, anyway, thats also why I felt this card was not suitable in my taste, b/c it wanted umi and there 6 cards treated as umi and 3 umi's, and you can have all 9 of them in your deck, plus 3 tornado walls, which stalls long enough to wipe the field, I call it a nasty litte combo, a OTK can be placed with this deck, that is not forbidden. So, that also entails why i voted for Caeda.

[Max Darkness]

Nono, that's A Legendary Ocean.

 

When I say 'Umi' I mean "ALO" being treated as "Umi". I use the two card names interchangeably since the entire "Umi" Archetype actually uses "ALO" now.

[Lord Ursus]

Max

 

Relevance with the task: P

OCG: P

Creativity: P

Balance: P

Picture, name, etc: P

Personal opinion: This card is very, very nice. I have never seen anything like it, and despite its effects being powerful, the summoning requirements makes up for it, as to use this card with Daedalus, you'll have to dispose of 2 monsters, then summon Daedalus and equip this card to it. For full efficiency, you'll also have to have a Daedalus 2.0 at hand. A single removal card will mess this up, however, so this is not an unstoppable strategy.

Overall rating: P

 

Caeda

 

Relevance with the task: P

OCG: O (An error at the end: «add this card to your deck, then shuffle it»

Creativity: O (Rather interesting, yes, though nothing overly special of an effect)

Balance: O (A tad underpowered.)

Picture, name, etc: G (Not a very unique name, and the picture is that of Silent Magician)

Personal opinion: A solid card, though I don't find it especially intriguing. It's powerful, though it isn't any efficient method to get a WND out too quickly, plus, it's a one-shot ability.

Overall Rating: O

[Max Darkness]

Thank you Ursus.

 

6-5.

[Ice.]

Max

 

Relevance with the task: P

OCG: P

Creativity: P

Balance: P

Picture, name, etc: P

Personal opinion: This card is very, very nice. I have never seen anything like it, and despite its effects being powerful, the summoning requirements makes up for it, as to use this card with Daedalus, you'll have to dispose of 2 monsters, then summon Daedalus and equip this card to it. For full efficiency, you'll also have to have a Daedalus 2.0 at hand. A single removal card will mess this up, however, so this is not an unstoppable strategy.

Overall rating: P

 

Caeda

 

Relevance with the task: P

OCG: O (An error at the end: «add this card to your deck, then shuffle it»

Creativity: O (Rather interesting, yes, though nothing overly special of an effect)

Balance: O (A tad underpowered.)

Picture, name, etc: G (Not a very unique name, and the picture is that of Silent Magician)

Personal opinion: A solid card, though I don't find it especially intriguing. It's powerful, though it isn't any efficient method to get a WND out too quickly, plus, it's a one-shot ability.

Overall Rating: O

 

What the hell is that? No card is perfect. Stop kissing Max's ass dude. >_>

 

 

Oh, and by the way, giving Caeda a G for using Silent Magician is stupid.

[Headmaster Monokuma]

Caeda

Picture, name, etc: G (Not a very unique name, and the picture is that of Silent Magician)

That's stupid. The name is only there so you know what it is meant to do. Honestly, grading on the name is idiotic. And the PICTURE? Who cares if it's Silent Magician? It doesn't matter.

 

My vote goes to Caeda. Max's card is just broken. The level requirements? WHO GIVES A f***? ALO takes care of that. It also brings back Field Spells, so your precious ALO can come back again and again. The bringing back a monster allows you to refuel the cards summoning, thus causing more clusterfuck summonings. Plus, this card allows Daedalus to just activate, attack, regain an ALO, then proceed to laugh.

[Ice.]

My vote goes to Caeda. Max's card is just broken. The level requirements? WHO GIVES A f***? ALO takes care of that. It also brings back Field Spells, so your precious ALO can come back again and again. The bringing back a monster allows you to refuel the cards summoning, thus causing more clusterfuck summonings. Plus, this card allows Daedalus to just activate, attack, regain an ALO, then proceed to laugh.

 

Dane, you just achieved my complete loyalty.

 

But yeah, Dane pretty much explained everything wrong with Max's card.

[Max Darkness]

My vote goes to Caeda. Max's card is just broken. The level requirements? WHO GIVES A f***? ALO takes care of that. It also brings back Field Spells, so your precious ALO can come back again and again. The bringing back a monster allows you to refuel the cards summoning, thus causing more clusterfuck summonings. Plus, this card allows Daedalus to just activate, attack, regain an ALO, then proceed to laugh.

 

The requirements are there because with it, Level 5s aren't useable. And since they're much more common in ALO Decks, it's a hamper to my card. And it's support for "Daedalus", so of course it would bring back Field Spell Cards. And the big one is: you still need to summon "Daedalus". This doesn't help with that. And you still need to have remaining materials in your hand to summon a second copy to equip to "Daedalus".

 

And, when "Envoy's" effect activates; you do face a problem. Either return one of your "Envoys" to the Extra Deck (since you used up one getting "Daedalus" to your hand, so you've only got one left), or return ALO. Basically, you either return the searcher/recycler or risk breaking the cycle and return "Daedalus'" fuel.

 

The bringing back of a monster to re-summon my card would be a slight problem, since it would reduce the chance of you drawing a remaining ALO, and since having 2 "Neo-Daedulus" on the field means having to sacrifice one (or at least one "Envoy of the Ocean Lord", thus negating its purpose) for the other's effect; it's not very productive. Also, since "Neo-Daedalus" clears your hand as well, you can't easily summon an "Envoy" after activation. Although lessened with "Daedalus", it's still an inefficient way to achieve field control.

 

You seem to have overlooked the fact that ALO is added to the Deck; you'll have to wait until you draw it until you can re-activate "Daedalus", by which time your opponent could have got rid of "Daedalus". Also, any RFP or return card would happily get rid of this combo, since "Envoy" only protects "Daedalus" from destruction, not removal or return. Indeed, a pair of "Karma Cuts" would have a field day, first RFPing "Daedalus" and then removing at least 2 of your "Envoys" when you try to restart the combo. "D.D. Crow" would do the job of getting rid of ALO after you've activated "Daedalus".

 

 

As for Ursus' rates, he rates the name. What's wrong with that? It's always a boon to have a creative streak when naming something.

 

 

 

@ Ice: It wasn't so long ago that using an existing card's image for your own card would have gained you a zero, or possible flaming, since it was seen as the ultimate mark of un-creativity, unless that card was a support card. It's recently that it seems to have been relaxed. Also, why would a LIGHT Spellcaster provide support for a WATER Dragon?

 

And what's wrong with liking a card so much you give it a top mark?

[Master White]

@max: I get what you are saying at and all, but still, you can have 6 "Dae-Dalus" monsters in your deck, b/c you didn't specify which one to use, just an "Dae-Dalus" monster. So, in other words, there are two monsters that you can or is allowed to have in your deck, which is superficially strong due to it.

 

Ocean Dragon Lord - Neo-daedalus

Levia-Dragon - Daedalus

 

So, I hope that helps.

 

Oh, and here is more cards all treated as Umi.

 

Umi

ALO

Forgotten Temple of the Deep

[Ice.]

The requirements are there because with it, Level 5s aren't useable. And since they're much more common in ALO Decks, it's a hamper to my card. And it's support for "Daedalus", so of course it would bring back Field Spell Cards. And the big one is: you still need to summon "Daedalus". This doesn't help with that. And you still need to have remaining materials in your hand to summon a second copy to equip to "Daedalus".

 

And, when "Envoy's" effect activates; you do face a problem. Either return one of your "Envoys" to the Extra Deck (since you used up one getting "Daedalus" to your hand, so you've only got one left), or return ALO. Basically, you either return the searcher/recycler or risk breaking the cycle and return "Daedalus'" fuel.

 

The bringing back of a monster to re-summon my card would be a slight problem, since it would reduce the chance of you drawing a remaining ALO, and since having 2 "Neo-Daedulus" on the field means having to sacrifice one (or at least one "Envoy of the Ocean Lord", thus negating its purpose) for the other's effect; it's not very productive. Also, since "Neo-Daedalus" clears your hand as well, you can't easily summon an "Envoy" after activation. Although lessened with "Daedalus", it's still an inefficient way to achieve field control.

 

You seem to have overlooked the fact that ALO is added to the Deck; you'll have to wait until you draw it until you can re-activate "Daedalus", by which time your opponent could have got rid of "Daedalus". Also, any RFP or return card would happily get rid of this combo, since "Envoy" only protects "Daedalus" from destruction, not removal or return. Indeed, a pair of "Karma Cuts" would have a field day, first RFPing "Daedalus" and then removing at least 2 of your "Envoys" when you try to restart the combo. "D.D. Crow" would do the job of getting rid of ALO after you've activated "Daedalus".

 

 

As for Ursus' rates, he rates the name. What's wrong with that? It's always a boon to have a creative streak when naming something.

 

 

 

@ Ice: It wasn't so long ago that using an existing card's image for your own card would have gained you a zero, or possible flaming, since it was seen as the ultimate mark of un-creativity, unless that card was a support card. It's recently that it seems to have been relaxed. Also, why would a LIGHT Spellcaster provide support for a WATER Dragon?

 

And what's wrong with liking a card so much you give it a top mark?

 

Level 4s are used in Umi Decks, Max. I ran one. Besides, Frogs can summon this bastard like no tomorrow. AND the monsters don't have to be on the field. Daedalus (The smaller one) can be summoned with 1 tribute if you have ALO, and you should if you have this guy face-up, so it's not that hard to summon. Once you get him on the field, you bomb the field, deal damage, add ALO, rinse and repeat. Stop with the removal garbage. I can say the same thing about Stardust. It can't get destroyed, only removed. But it's still OP'd, right?

 

Rating by name is stupid, that's what's wrong with it.

 

Max, I joined 2 months after you. People barely did that, and when they did, they had a good reason to do so. The ultimate mark of un-creativity were vanillas. Why would a LIGHT Spellcaster help a WATER monster? Just because. This could become a possible Archetype maybe? That's a stupid question, Max.

 

Giving everything a P when it clearly isn't perfect. That's what's wrong. It's stupid. Nothing is perfect, and your card is far from it, Max.

[Master White]

@Ice and Max: Wow, you two really need to calm down, and not fight. Sure, i do to fight, but only to a point, not an point of no return type. Also, Max, Ice is right, nothing is perfect and Usrus has his own idea like you are saying, but Ice, make sure you tell ursus that nothing is perfect.

So, @Max, You two have been on together forever, show I'm sure you two are best friends and thats why you are fighting right now with this card. @Ice: Of course their is no since thing as perfect, but that is Ursus opinion. if he was perfect, he would know not to use the word. So, of course, don't judge him for using p, if he wants to, he can. But isn't this a forum, so anyone can saw whatever they want b/c it is public speaking.

So,@Ice: Sure, Urus may be rating the card just b/c he loves it, even though the effects is bad, but why not, as I have stated, it is just a forum with freedom of speech.

@Max: You already know what I have to say about the car, but allowing Ursus rate p on almost all and not really caring can tell me alot, I believe that you should give him some credit, I think that he just likes you, as a friend, and thats why he rates your cards the highest, butI'm not positive on that, so don't judge me.

So, @Max, Ice, and Ursus: I'll leave you all with this, Perfect is not a word, it is so far more than a word, a word that should never be used, b/c no Human in the world is perfect, not even God is perfect, so perfect is not a word. Their is no such thing as perfect, so don't try to make perfect, b/c you will always fail...

[Ice.]

@Ice and Max: Wow, you two really need to calm down, and not fight. Sure, i do to fight, but only to a point, not an point of no return type. Also, Max, Ice is right, nothing is perfect and Usrus has his own idea like you are saying, but Ice, make sure you tell ursus that nothing is perfect.

So, @Max, You two have been on together forever, show I'm sure you two are best friends and thats why you are fighting right now with this card. @Ice: Of course their is no since thing as perfect, but that is Ursus opinion. if he was perfect, he would know not to use the word. So, of course, don't judge him for using p, if he wants to, he can. But isn't this a forum, so anyone can saw whatever they want b/c it is public speaking.

So,@Ice: Sure, Urus may be rating the card just b/c he loves it, even though the effects is bad, but why not, as I have stated, it is just a forum with freedom of speech.

@Max: You already know what I have to say about the car, but allowing Ursus rate p on almost all and not really caring can tell me alot, I believe that you should give him some credit, I think that he just likes you, as a friend, and thats why he rates your cards the highest, butI'm not positive on that, so don't judge me.

So, @Max, Ice, and Ursus: I'll leave you all with this, Perfect is not a word, it is so far more than a word, a word that should never be used, b/c no Human in the world is perfect, not even God is perfect, so perfect is not a word. Their is no such thing as perfect, so don't try to make perfect, b/c you will always fail...

 

If you're saying that I'm friends with Max you must be insane.

 

It's a stupid vote, that's why.

 

I'm atheist.

 

Oh, and by the way, this debate was with Max. I don't know why you''re jumping in for no reason.

[Guest Caeda]

The count is now 6 to 6.

 

One vote and it's over.

 

I want your vote to have detail too.

[Proto]

Okay.... I'm doing this.

 

Max, I don't like your card because, like Striker, its just so many effects piled on eachother in a attempt to make the perfect support for Umi Decks. I'm sorry, your card just has too many pluses.

 

Caeda, I like your card because I love any card that supports a underused card that really needs some support. I just think you did a overall better job at balancing yourself then Max, who just piled effects on and on and on....

 

Caeda gets my vote.

 

I hope I did this right...

[Guest Caeda]

Okay.... I'm doing this.

 

Max, I don't like your card because, like Striker, its just so many effects piled on eachother in a attempt to make the perfect support for Umi Decks. I'm sorry, your card just has too many pluses.

 

Caeda, I like your card because I love any card that supports a underused card that really needs some support. I just think you did a overall better job at balancing yourself then Max, who just piled effects on and on and on....

 

Caeda gets my vote.

 

I hope I did this right...

 

You did better then the other 60% (Probably more) of this section.

 

Trust me, that's a lot better then most.

 

6 - 7 Caeda. That's game Max. Good job.

[Master White]

If you're saying that I'm friends with Max you must be insane.

 

It's a stupid vote, that's why.

 

I'm atheist.

 

Oh, and by the way, this debate was with Max. I don't know why you''re jumping in for no reason.

I'm sorry, thought you were friends. Am I insane, no I'm not, i just hate fights and everything dealing about it. So, i was trying to help, yet I realize I wasn't at the time, so i'm sorry. I wasn't rational, b/c I have lots of problems, so i'm sorry for that, just a thing I did, b/c I hate fights and wars, drives me crazy.

Oh, and, I'm agnostic, so that don't bother me.

 

Also, congrats Caeda for winning, I think thats a first against Max, but I'm probably wrong.

[Lord Ursus]

Good job, folks.

 

I am sorry I seemed like a total suck-up for Max, but P is the highest grade in my scala, and I did not see anything wrong with Max's card.

 

Now, bear in mind this was my opinion, you did not have to agree with me.

 

Though, yes, I was aware this would come up.