Death Note.

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='Darkest Hour' timestamp='1283657993' post='4601422']
I don't think that Misa was that much of a yandere or a yangire, how else are you going to keep the attention of the guy who are obsessed with? by threatening to kill the other girls he might have interest in.
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By what definition of yandere does that not qualify Misa as one?

[Cin]

L wasn't a saint, that's true, with a case as serious as the Kira killings he had to go extreme cases since he had to have Misa break and give up what he needed to prevent more deaths, a little ott and controversial in terms of the tortue I suppose. Lind was due to die that day, so why not make him useful, plus he had a name similar to L's main alias so the smokescreen would be even easier to pull. I liked the use of Hideki Ryuga, it provided a safety net and a way of making himself noticed to Light, I also liked the way he revealed he was L to Light, and the whole if I die, Light did it routine. If he went in with another alias it would be too obvious who he was and Ryuuzaki was too hard won, to use for a short job.

Light did have the seeds of a killer more pronounced than most it was obvious from early on he didn't share the same justice believes as his father (or L), he already saw the world as rotten and the Death Note allowed him to adjust the world as he saw fit, he probably never saw what he was doing was morally wrong, since he believed his justice system was perfect. However his system allowed no free will.

I guess they were scared of the 13 day rule, why would L let them risk themselves when he could have Misa do it, someone he knew was Kira anyhow. Yea Mello's questioning of Shidou revealed that something was wrong the rules, its a shame that Rem and Ryuk were in on it, therefore L couldn't get confirmation of his feeling the rules were fake.

Killing by writing names in a Death Note is cheating. simple as. People are hard to kill because they don't want to die.

[Mehmani]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1283642550' post='4600625']
Since when? We see from flashbacks to his childhood that Mikami Teru was a nutcase long before he got the Death Note, and Higuchi was always a corrupt corporate executive; in fact, Light and Rem, respectively, selected them to receive power specifically because they possessed those qualities. Meanwhile, Misa's just as yandere when she doesn't have the Death Note or her memory of the Death Note as she does while she actually has Kira's power. The only person who really gets corrupted by power is Light, and that's already happened by the end of the first chapter.
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What if Higuchi had never been able to become a banker? It's his position of power that allows him to be corrupt.

Light is completely innocent before he picks up the Death Note. He is corrupted by the ability to kill.

And you can't say that about Misa - we never see her before she got the Death Note and met Light so we don't know what she was like. Upon obtaining a Death Note, Misa's personality could have changed as Light's did.

[Cin]

In the movies you did briefly see Misa before she got the Death Note.

Very true about Light there, but still he has what some people may call 'unnatural' thoughts before hand.

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='Älfred-Kün' timestamp='1283688220' post='4602153']
What if Higuchi had never been able to become a banker? It's his position of power that allows him to be corrupt.
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That's your opinion; however, the manga never makes any such claims, so that's not much use as evidence that this is a theme of the manga. And the other members of the Yotsuba group share Mikami's position as a banker, but do not become corrupt like he does.

[quote name='Älfred-Kün' timestamp='1283688220' post='4602153']
Light is completely innocent before he picks up the Death Note. He is corrupted by the ability to kill.
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Actually, the creators have said that the reason Light became so evil was that he started out so pure; his purity and intelligence combined to make him see how corrupt the world was (see his monologue at the start before he finds the Death Note), which leads to an easy God complex.

[quote name='Älfred-Kün' timestamp='1283688220' post='4602153']
And you can't say that about Misa - we never see her before she got the Death Note and met Light so we don't know what she was like. Upon obtaining a Death Note, Misa's personality could have changed as Light's did.
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We see her after losing her Death Note with no memory of ever having it, and, based on how Light reverted upon losing his memory, we can presume that that was what she was like before receiving her Death Note. Remember also that the reason Misa became yandere for Light was that Light had killed the people who killed her parents, so she obviously already had some unusual traumatic experiences.

[Mehmani]

[quote=Älfred-Kün, on 05 September 2010 - 01:03 PM]
What if Higuchi had never been able to become a banker? It's his position of power that allows him to be corrupt.
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That's your opinion; however, the manga never makes any such claims, so that's not much use as evidence that this is a theme of the manga. And the other members of the Yotsuba group share Mikami's position as a banker, but do not become corrupt like he does.

[b]He's a bad man, yes, but had he never joined Yotsuba or even studied accountancy or whatever he surely would have turned out different.[/b]


[quote=Älfred-Kün, on 05 September 2010 - 01:03 PM]
Light is completely innocent before he picks up the Death Note. He is corrupted by the ability to kill.
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Actually, the creators have said that the reason Light became so evil was that he started out so pure; his purity and intelligence combined to make him see how corrupt the world was (see his monologue at the start before he finds the Death Note), which leads to an easy God complex.

[b]But this God complex is only fulfilled once he obtains the Death Note and begins using it. Had he not picked up that book that God complex would have never been realized - he didn't have a God-like power or artifact.[/b]


[quote=Älfred-Kün, on 05 September 2010 - 01:03 PM]
And you can't say that about Misa - we never see her before she got the Death Note and met Light so we don't know what she was like. Upon obtaining a Death Note, Misa's personality could have changed as Light's did.[/quote]


We see her after losing her Death Note with no memory of ever having it, and, based on how Light reverted upon losing his memory, we can presume that that was what she was like before receiving her Death Note. Remember also that the reason Misa became yandere for Light was that Light had killed the people who killed her parents, so she obviously already had some unusual traumatic experiences.

[b]But she still retains her knowledge and love of Light Yagami - we still have no idea of what she was like when she lived in Kyoto, before she even knew of both Kira and Light's existences. Her knowledge and love of Light Yagami, even after losing memories of the Death Note, affected her personality.[/b]

[.Starrk]

[quote name='Yin' timestamp='1283688401' post='4602159']
In the movies you did briefly see Misa before she got the Death Note.

Very true about Light there, but still he has what some people may call [b]'unnatural'[/b] thoughts before hand.
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Yeah tell me about it.

[Cin]

It depends really on your nature to how you get on with people, I admit even I have misanthropic thoughts. Light's are just aimed at criminals instead of the whole human race.

[.Starrk]

[quote name='Yin' timestamp='1283708123' post='4603067']
It depends really on your nature to how you get on with people, I admit even I have misanthropic thoughts. Light's are just aimed at criminals instead of the whole human race.
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That way, he would kill criminals, and try to re-create the world through his eyes.

[Cin]

Right we need another topic, lets go for the ever popular: Who's your favourite character and why?

[.Starrk]

[quote name='Yin' timestamp='1283887222' post='4610097']
Right we need another topic, lets go for the ever popular: Who's your favourite character and why?
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Its gotta be L. He has a sugar fetish, solves mysteries, what more could you want?

[Cin]

Well its not a sugar fetish, he requires it to keep up his energy thinking hard uses alot. (Well in the DN universe, exams are said in the real world to use as much brain power as daydreaming).

Mello for me, I'm naturally drawn to bad ass characters anyhow.

[.Starrk]

[quote name='Yin' timestamp='1284285591' post='4620033']
Well its not a sugar fetish, he requires it to keep up his energy thinking hard uses alot. (Well in the DN universe, exams are said in the real world to use as much brain power as daydreaming).

Mello for me, I'm naturally drawn to bad ass characters anyhow.
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Yeah i would agree.

[Cin]

You just killed the topic with spam.
Has anyone else got anything else to add to the favourite character topic? As to not make this spam, Beyond Birthday and L are my joint favourite characters.

[Tentacruel]

I've only read the first 15 chapters or so, but my favorite is the guy who likes apples.

[Cin]

Oh Ryuk, he's entertaining. I <3 how the adapted him for the films, wonderfully scary.

[Plaguespreader Zombie]

[quote name='Cake' timestamp='1284237441' post='4617963']
Its gotta be L. He has a sugar fetish, solves mysteries, what more could you want?
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You obviously have no idea what the word "fetish" means.

also, Mello is superior to everyone.

[Cin]

Yay another Mello fan, I never really see many of those, they always seem to go for Near. Boy am I glad about the switch of Mello and Near's art.

[Ghoulish]

this is a great anime im loving it! on to episode 7

[.Starrk]

[quote name='~Soulciety~' timestamp='1286885966' post='4698758']
this is a great anime im loving it! on to episode 7
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Good. You'll love it.

[Cin]

The manga is a very good read to. Have fun =D.

[Ghoulish]

thx i actually love it, it's a nice change from the action-based Anime, this is a more strategic and thorough thought anime a battle of who can out wit who, episode 10 L. is owning Light

[Ghoulish]

it ends at 37 episodes, surprising but a good ending really, what are these directors cuts im hearing about?

[Cin]

I love how Tsugumi Oba had it planned to when the manga was gonna finish even with the random extra chapter (I don't mean the pilot). Haven't managed to catch the director's cut. I do recommend you get reading the manga.

[Ghoulish]

yea i think i will, cause the ending seemed really rushed when u think about it, like i understand Light's image being tarnished by going insane at the end, but to lose merely to Nell, and we didn't even learn much of the place where they grew up in, that orphanage L,M and N were at? + Light whent in all confident u'd assume that he had a solid plan, but all he had was:
Light: "i have another hidden death note."
Nell:"Yea man i changed that to."
Light: "...oh really?"
Nell:"Yea man.....I-I thought you would have done better then that I mean u were so confident and all u did was have another one?"
Light: "lol yea did not think that one through."

(script lol,) But still yea very dissapointing that it ended early, the movies could be good but at the moment they look so crap, directors suddenly have a hobby of wrecking Live action movies.