Death Note.

[Family Friendly]

Looking back on it, the manga/anime really wasn't that good. The second arc was painfully the same, incredibly rushed and didn't make a whole lot of sense.

[.Starrk]

[quote name='Family Friendly' timestamp='1283342165' post='4588233']
Looking back on it, the manga/anime really wasn't that good. The second arc was painfully the same, incredibly rushed and didn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Actually the manga wasn't rushed.

[Family Friendly]

[quote name='Cake' timestamp='1283347624' post='4588330']
Actually the manga wasn't rushed.
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The second arc felt like it. /:

[Professor Cobra]

L died in vol. 7, Mello and Near took over immediately to 12. It was equal. It was just more action with Mello and the mafia and itense. With L, it was really calm and forgettable, mostly mind games.

[Cin]

Mind games are not forgettable, it felt alot of the time like just as they've got the noose around Kira, he gets free. You went from passive L, with odd spurts of action, but with Mello is action action, with Near being passive, so of course it would feel like more action in the 2nd half.

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='Family Friendly' timestamp='1283384094' post='4590422']
The second arc felt like it. /:
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You joking? The second half of the manga was actually drawn out far longer than it needed to be just so that the series would have a total of 108 chapters. It was the anime that was rushed, because post-L it suddenly jumped from averaging two manga chapters per episode to four, which lead to all sorts of associated problems like cutting out, you know, Near actually doing detective work, leading to him just pulling correct conclusions out of nowhere as if he's psychic.

[quote name='Professor Cobra' timestamp='1283388564' post='4590810']
L died in vol. 7, Mello and Near took over immediately to 12. It was equal. It was just more action with Mello and the mafia and itense. With L, it was really calm and forgettable, mostly mind games.
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You read Death Note when you find action more interesting than mind games.

Get out.

[.Starrk]

Mind Games are what Death Note is about. And it is the best part.

[Mehmani]

I actually have sat like L from when I was about 3. It was a weird trait that I got punished for a lot but I didn't mind. I was kind of shocked when I saw L sitting like that in Book 3.

[Family Friendly]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1283420696' post='4591752']
You joking? The second half of the manga was actually drawn out far longer than it needed to be just so that the series would have a total of 108 chapters. It was the anime that was rushed, because post-L it suddenly jumped from averaging two manga chapters per episode to four, which lead to all sorts of associated problems like cutting out, you know, Near actually doing detective work, leading to him just pulling correct conclusions out of nowhere as if he's psychic.
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i haven't read the series in years, just pulling more things out of my ass~

[CrabHelmet]

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i haven't read the series in years, just pulling more things out of my ass~
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Then don't post. Every single post I've seen you make has been complete garbage.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Anime fans seem to enjoy this show so much just because it's really different. When they've accustomed themselves to the same cliches repeating over and over again a good piece of work becomes the best thing ever.

Oh, and it doesn't really make you think that much afterwards when the characters don't actually take the time to explain their motives. The only character that I liked was the dad, everyone else seemed like they were doing things because they could. That may have just been the anime, but the extent to which this applied was too great to be just that.

Oh, and that one guy's wife who determined that Kira could manipulate people and cause deaths beyond the threshold of heart attacks was cool, but they killed her off way too soon for her to develop into an interesting character. What was it, she was shown after her husband died, walked with Light, then he had her commit suicide? Not to mention how unrealistic her giving away her name was.

[Cin]

Wait did you miss something? No one needs to explain the motives, its obvious really.

Actually Naomi was only engaged to Raye and they decided they'd gone too far with her with her deductive abilities (same happened with Mello) and it was too hard to keep her in longer. (How To Read 13). If you want more Noami read the Novel, she was the one who inspired L to learn capoeira.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

I'll disregard some of the things Light does since he's supposed to be insane, but they never go into why the elite detectives are so adamantly against his goal when the world is becoming a better place. It seems like this is true for a large amount of the police force and the such. Then Mello goes rouge over an extremely tiny affair, that one Shinigami gets randomly attached to the really annoying girl, and so forth. The mind games were fun and all, but the characters weren't quite as believable.

I might read the novel later, but only when my memory of the series is really fuzzy.

[Merci]

Only began watching it yesterday. Is regretting it now as Ryuk is making me scared this very moment, twenty minutes before midnight.

Even so, why did they have to kill L? He's awesomer than Light. I feel sorry for L.

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='Vuvuzela of Triumph' timestamp='1283528601' post='4595139']
I'll disregard some of the things Light does since he's supposed to be insane, but they never go into why the elite detectives are so adamantly against his goal when the world is becoming a better place. It seems like this is true for a large amount of the police force and the such. Then Mello goes rouge over an extremely tiny affair, that one Shinigami gets randomly attached to the really annoying girl, and so forth. The mind games were fun and all, but the characters weren't quite as believable.

I might read the novel later, but only when my memory of the series is really fuzzy.
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Kira is a mass-murdering vigilante who upgrades the punishment for all crimes to the death penalty and replaces all the standard tenets of the justice system with convicting people if and only if the media says they're guilty, and whose "positive" influence on the world works by everyone living their lives in crippling fear of being killed instantly for no reason. The police officers are police officers; of course they'll oppose him.

[Cin]

[quote name='Vuvuzela of Triumph' timestamp='1283528601' post='4595139']
I'll disregard some of the things Light does since he's supposed to be insane, but they never go into why the elite detectives are so adamantly against his goal when the world is becoming a better place. It seems like this is true for a large amount of the police force and the such. Then Mello goes rouge over an extremely tiny affair, that one Shinigami gets randomly attached to the really annoying girl, and so forth. The mind games were fun and all, but the characters weren't quite as believable.I might read the novel later, but only when my memory of the series is really fuzzy.
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- Light's view of justice destroys free will, and also allows for innocent people to die. L believes in a justice which gives people free will and allows them to be innocent until he can prove them guilty, he follows the evidence, where as Light's method he doesn't follow any evidence just that they were convicted. Essentially Light's world is a dictatorship.
[i]Red Dwarf covered this is in Season VI with Justice World and the Justice Field, no could do no wrong there, because for example if they set fire to something, you would be set alight[/i]

- Mello studied his ass off and he still couldn't surpass Near who never had to study and it seemed to come natural for. It seemed the best way for Mello to get the resources required since he'd refused the inheritance left to him and Near, and Mello fit naturally into the environment, and could easily dominate them.

- Rem wasn't randomly attached to Misa, she delivered Gelus' Death Note to Misa, but decided to stay. It was the bond that formed between Rem and Misa, that Light manipulated later into killing Rem, L and Watari.

[.Starrk]

New Death Note topic: Best kill made by Light.

Mine was Ray Penber

[Cin]

None. I hate Light. That topic died fast.

[.Starrk]

[quote name='Yin' timestamp='1283594259' post='4598221']
None. I hate Light. That topic died fast.
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ok then....

[Cin]

Yea I know, its hard to the pick the 'favourite' kill if you dislike a character.

How about fav moments, from either the anime or manga or both if you read/watch.

[Erinyes]

Favorite moments for me was probably when L deducts where Kira is located on television and learns you need at least a name, the "I am L" announcement, or when Light reveals his plan to kill L after Higuchi is captured/killed.

[Mehmani]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1283534500' post='4595350']
Kira is a mass-murdering vigilante who upgrades the punishment for all crimes to the death penalty and replaces all the standard tenets of the justice system with convicting people if and only if the media says they're guilty, and whose "positive" influence on the world works by everyone living their lives in crippling fear of being killed instantly for no reason. The police officers are police officers; of course they'll oppose him.
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Sounds like fun. Where do I sign up?

Death Note has a fantastic core message - it's power, not the person that causes insanity. Anyhow, I can't really talk being Obsessive Compulsive with autistic tedencies and a mad desire to be correct.

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='Älfred-Kün' timestamp='1283638683' post='4600395']
Death Note has a fantastic core message - it's power, not the person that causes insanity.
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Since when? We see from flashbacks to his childhood that Mikami Teru was a nutcase long before he got the Death Note, and Higuchi was always a corrupt corporate executive; in fact, Light and Rem, respectively, selected them to receive power specifically because they possessed those qualities. Meanwhile, Misa's just as yandere when she doesn't have the Death Note or her memory of the Death Note as she does while she actually has Kira's power. The only person who really gets corrupted by power is Light, and that's already happened by the end of the first chapter.

[Catterjune]

If I recall correctly, the writer of Death Note one said that had Light not found the Death Note, he'd likely end up being a detective similar to L.

... That being said, he was compared to L, who wasn't exactly a saint.

[spoiler=Lawl spoilers]L has no problem killing Lind L. Tailor for the little gambit he played to find out Light's location. He further has no problem risking the life of the famous popstar guy who's name I can't remember, or the police chief when he makes him pull a gun on Light and Misa, or Matsuda when he makes him go on Sakura TV, only getting lucky because apparently VHS and tivo don't exist in this universe.[/spoiler]

Saying that Light would have been similar to him just further emphasizes how much of a sociopath Light was before he got the note.

As for power corrupting, no one in the police force wanted to use the notebook when they found it near the end of Light's ridiculous memory gambit. Sure, you could probably make the case that they were terrified of the 13 day rule, but Near and pals didn't wanna use it either when they got a hold of it for the grand finale, and they figured out the rule wasn't real by then a long time ago.

[Darkest Hour]

I don't think that Misa was that much of a yandere or a yangire, how else are you going to keep the attention of the guy who are obsessed with? by threatening to kill the other girls he might have interest in. Plus, it's not like she has to exert herself to do so. Probably the reason people like this series so much, other than the yaoi fangirls and their activities, is it gives out the idea of murdering with something as mundane as writing names.

Or it's because making sword slashes with your pen is fun.