Akatsuki of YCM's OOC and Planning Site

[BlackSkullCortez]

Ah, here is another one of my rants. This one is on weaknesses.

[spoiler=The primary weaknesses of Cortez]-He can't swim.

-He isn't normally strong against indestructible armor or true brute force.

-If something cuts off his energy, he loses most of his powers.

-If he is put under something that controls his emotions, he can't use Soul Attacks and runs at half his speed.

-He's to stubborn to move against Chivalry, so he won't make a move if his enemy threatens to kill somebody that's innocent.

 

Weaknesses aren't supposed to be things that only cancel out a single type of attack. They're drawbacks that actually WEAKEN your character. As in something that will make them have to work REALLY hard or makes them lose their powers. This can include mental illness, weak psyches (easy to manipulate and easily affected by psychic powers), not being able to go somewhere without dying (Derek), having your powers weaken if you are closer to something, a weak spot, need of something to stay alive, a way to make the characters more exhausted faster, or something that the character would stop fighting to save. Not like "This one type of his many attacks can be cancelled out by..." Especially for Ze'b, it wouldn't be the best. I think that weakness would be more valid if his powers were weakened greatly around a large amount of magnetic and conductive metal, and maybe a stream of water would be a weakness, too. And also, there was this one character who lived for thousands of years, take a look at how different he is from you. The age thing isn't an excuse to be OP'd.

Shadow, that isn't an option at this point. I know you think that being the strongest thing alive is a weakness, but you should at least have gone with my original plan of the mental disorder by overusing the Chaos Emeralds. But, since you "defeated" your Dark Half, you might have to think of another option. Maybe with Phazon? Who knows.

Ninjew is probably good to think of a few. I think that there should be this one story of Sven that involves one weak point, maybe the first place he got hit when he died? Who knows. I'll let him think of that.

But we shouldn't put these weaknesses into effect during the middle of the battle. It will be necessary afterwards, though. Yes, I did discuss most of this with Fusion, btw.

[Mr.WHAM]

I can't properly read atm so, i'll be back later...nigghy

[El Make]

Dudes, we are stronger than gods....

 

Chaos, I know it's natural, but you need to lower your GM.

 

And btw... Tenkai's weakness is

 

1. His Curse Mark eats away his soul

2. Without the CM, he's kinda weak

3. Unless he's in completed CM, he can't really take that many hard hits...

 

Yurusu's:

 

1. If there's something to conduct electricty around, he's useless...

[BlackSkullCortez]

Yay, somebody cooperated!

And that somebody also knows how to balance characters. I like that, actually. The fact you can balance them and the weaknesses are kind of interesting.

[Fusion X. Denver]

Wham, El has a Bleach character too, who's really old.

And also has thunder powers.

If El can balance his, then you should too.

Shadow, screw that. Being OPed is lame, I don't think anyone would want to fight you (pretty much the point of the RP, fighting each other [or at least after Dragon Lord arc is over it will be]). You weakness should have your transformations quickly drain your energy, or maybe using Phazon should come with risks that are harmful to you too.

Don't get me wrong, having weaknesses doesn't mean you're any less stronger, it's there to balance out your OPedness.

[BlackSkullCortez]

I think that a personality shift weakness would fit the Chaos Emeralds and Phazon. Just sayin'.

 

Fusion, I had an interesting idea. Maybe because Go and Derek have some tied DNA (Derek is a clone of Peter Parker), there could be a power shift when they encounter each other.

[Fusion X. Denver]

Hmm maybe.

It'd make for an interesting rematch >.>

I still say we should do that tourney idea after the Dragon Lords are defeated.

[BlackSkullCortez]

Yeah. Except with an interesting twist.

 

We have a large tourney and have a bunch of battles are recorded at random times. Then, the people with the best records are put in finals.

[Fusion X. Denver]

Or...I was thinking of an elimination type thing.

You know, like from DBZ >.>

[Shadow Zero]

Wham, El has a Bleach character too, who's really old.

And also has thunder powers.

If El can balance his, then you should too.

Shadow, screw that. Being OPed is lame, I don't think anyone would want to fight you (pretty much the point of the RP, fighting each other [or at least after Dragon Lord arc is over it will be]). You weakness should have your transformations quickly drain your energy, or maybe using Phazon should come with risks that are harmful to you too.

Don't get me wrong, having weaknesses doesn't mean you're any less stronger, it's there to balance out your OPedness.

1: Shut up. (inb4mokuba)

 

2: My characters genetic structure has been specifically modified to have no ill effects from using Phazon when he made his contract with Primus, so don't speak unless you actually know what you're talking about on another persons powers, please and thank you.

 

3: The draining energy thing is understandable. However, that only works with Super Forms without the Lights of Chaos, or when the Heart of Flame is being used inn conjunction with the Lights of Order and/or Chaos, or when he goes Hyper mode (such as now {which is why I said he was getting pretty low on energy})

 

4: I don't use the dark form all that much, but I suppose I can make it like sonics, although that one is eventually going to disappear once he gains mastery over his own darkness.

 

5: El Make, stop complaining about people lowering the GM, this is kind of how my character works, and he already had built in weaknesses even if I had't revealed them yet, so make like Laufer and stuff it.

[BlackSkullCortez]

Shadow, what's wrong with giving your characters weaknesses? Generally, I would expect that you could handle it anyway and would give you no reason not to put them, but you refuse anyway. Can you not handle weaknesses?

[Shadow Zero]

Um, refusing? I just listed some, if you hadn't noticed. What are you, blind?

[Fusion X. Denver]

1: Shut up. (inb4mokuba)

2: My characters genetic structure has been specifically modified to have no ill effects from using Phazon when he made his contract with Primus, so don't speak unless you actually know what you're talking about on another persons powers, please and thank you.

3: The draining energy thing is understandable. However, that only works with Super Forms without the Lights of Chaos, or when the Heart of Flame is being used inn conjunction with the Lights of Order and/or Chaos, or when he goes Hyper mode (such as now {which is why I said he was getting pretty low on energy})

4: I don't use the dark form all that much, but I suppose I can make it like sonics, although that one is eventually going to disappear once he gains mastery over his own darkness.

5: El Make, stop complaining about people lowering the GM, this is kind of how my character works, and he already had built in weaknesses even if I had't revealed them yet, so make like Laufer and stuff it.

 

1. No. El can balance a Bleach thunder-user, so should Wham.

2. It was an idea I threw out there, not saying you had to go with that one. But you're gonna have to go with something <_<

3. Well good, but knowing you, you'll most likely always have the Lights of Chaos and Heart of Flame. Which means you should either have limited access to them or can only use them at certain times :/

4. Eh. I would just avoid using it. If your darkness is gone, it's gone.

5. El's not the only one with a problem though. I do. If he had built-in weaknesses, fine, but you should make sure they balance your guy out in terms of OPedness. For realz.

 

There's one other thing you might be wondering.

"Fusion, why are you so uptight about people being OPed? So what if they are?"

My response:

A. No one will want to fight you, pure and simple. Being OPed after the Dragon Lord arc may actually work against you, people would be walking into a loss. And then there's no fun in it.

2. If storylines come along with villains posing as a threat again, OPed people may tend to take the spotlight. For example, if a villain forced us all to fight him again, wouldn't the strongest person stand the best chance against him? If you're too strong, then you'll be the one who gets to fight with him the most and also the one with the most effectiveness against him, thus depriving everyone else of getting good hits in. Not really fair right?

 

At LEAST think about what I'm saying here.

[BlackSkullCortez]

Shadow, how are those legit weaknesses? I can only find one minor weakness, which isn't even a weakness. It's just the conditions you need to use a power.

 

Anyway, Fusion, I think that after the Dragon Lords fight, you should make an update in this section saying that it is required for all members to update their apps with weaknesses. You read through them, get approval from senior members like Black, and then you say how many weaknesses each character needs and how vivid they are.

[Fusion X. Denver]

Something like that, yeah.

Since most RPs aren't as flexible in terms of powering up and getting stronger as HB, I'm implementing a weakness system to balance it out.

I feel it's become necessary at this point.

[Shadow Zero]

Nobody is disputing what you were saying. My one complaint was that you were trying to say what weakness a character would have when you apparently did not do your research into said character.

 

Anyway, I already listed things that could help to balance out my character. Also, my character is actually a little weaker then some of the other characters on here (especially Ze'B ) without the Lights of Chaos and Order. That's why I am having them stay with him at all times. The only other way that he is able to stand a chance on his own against someone like Cortez or Ze'B is if he goes dark mode, and that slowly turns him evil until it's done being used, at which point my character would return to normal. If he uses it for to long, he becomes evil. That's why I am not having him use it for now. Remember, he actually had a small internal fight with his darker half, but his darker half is still not completely defeated. As such, his darker half could still take over given the chance.

 

Anyway, the Heart of Flame being used at any time steadily drains energy, and being used along with his hyper mode only accelerates that process.

 

As to Phazon, even with all of its separate abilities, Like Ninjew said, it takes a certain amount of conscious thought in order to phase through materials as pure Phazon energy, for those forms that allow it. Also, only so much of it can be used at one time, so unless the propagation effect of indigo Phazon is used, there is only so much that can be done with Phazon at any one time. The propgatiion effect is why the walls of the base are now all filled, and why it can now be destroyed onceNinjew posts again, but that takes time, ergo why I was wanting the fight to drag on for a bit.

 

Any other questions or concerns?

[Fusion X. Denver]

Hmm

Balance for Phazon sounds reasonable..I guess

But...you fought against Cortez without using Dark Mode at all >.>

Or should this Shadow be considered as completely different from that one? (I know he found his real name and his power set changed after that dimension thing)

Well, if you can control yourself where you don't go abusing your Lights of Chaos into godmod, I guess it can be used.

Having a dark half struggling to control your body could work as a weakness.

[BlackSkullCortez]

Nobody is disputing what you were saying. My one complaint was that you were trying to say what weakness a character would have when you apparently did not do your research into said character.

 

Anyway, I already listed things that could help to balance out my character. Also, my character is actually a little weaker then some of the other characters on here (especially Ze'B ) without the Lights of Chaos and Order. That's why I am having them stay with him at all times. The only other way that he is able to stand a chance on his own against someone like Cortez or Ze'B is if he goes dark mode, and that slowly turns him evil until it's done being used, at which point my character would return to normal. If he uses it for to long, he becomes evil. That's why I am not having him use it for now. Remember, he actually had a small internal fight with his darker half, but his darker half is still not completely defeated. As such, his darker half could still take over given the chance.

 

Anyway, the Heart of Flame being used at any time steadily drains energy, and being used along with his hyper mode only accelerates that process.

 

As to Phazon, even with all of its separate abilities, Like Ninjew said, it takes a certain amount of conscious thought in order to phase through materials as pure Phazon energy, for those forms that allow it. Also, only so much of it can be used at one time, so unless the propagation effect of indigo Phazon is used, there is only so much that can be done with Phazon at any one time. The propgatiion effect is why the walls of the base are now all filled, and why it can now be destroyed onceNinjew posts again, but that takes time, ergo why I was wanting the fight to drag on for a bit.

 

Any other questions or concerns?

 

Analyzing...

 

On the bold, I can understand Ze'b, but you said yourself 1000 times over "Cortez was using 6 world rings against 10% of my full power." What you just said is basically BS.

 

The darker half isn't a weakness. If it made him mentally instable, then yes, it would be. Making somebody evil isn't a weakness, as proven with Symbiote Spiderman. And if they were fighting in your mind and that would weaken Shadow, that's a random thing, so that still wouldn't be considered a weakness.

 

Heart of Flame is an okay drawback.

 

On the italics, your statements about the Phazon and the usage seem to cancel each other out. Basically, it can only do so much, yet it made it to the point where it can make the base blow up in time only because you wanted it to.

 

Your Lights of Chaos are a permanent accessory to Shadow, so you can't really say that he would be weak without them.

 

And nothing seems to be able to cancel out your powers. And if your body is immune to Phazon, your brain cells can't disintegrate from it, ergo losing another potential weakness. But would it still affect your mental state? And does the addiction to Phazon occur for your character?

[Mr.WHAM]

Water would never be his weakness but rather an advantage. And yes, Zeb's psyche is vulnerable. He's on the verge of gouing all rogue evil on you guys. He suffereing from a broken heart so to speak. And I did say his lightning could be attracted through a metal. Its not impossible to do. I'd just figure out a way to work around it. I get bored so I run simulations with my charcters and there strengths/weaknesses for no reason. In a hypothetical situation in which Ze'bs lightning was being absorbed by a lightning rod, I'd run it like a ciruit through the ground or I'd try to overheat the rod with the heat from the electricity. I just know my weaknesses well, that''s all I'm saying.

 

And I know that someone else has been around for thousands of years, but, and here's the parts I've gotten lazy on: Ze'borova has the strongest lightnign Zanpaktou, much like Yamamoto and Ryu Jaken(idk if thats correct spelling). The other thing is that Ze'bs weapon made him go through hell to get to the level that its at now. Basically, all his life he's had that Sword and only in the last 10-200 years has he truly been able to use it and scale the ranks.

 

I do however understand your concerns. I will restrain from using any more powerful forms of Ze'borova which I think should be do-able, so unless I become the main villan, I won't be going Bankai.

I'm using a character that I am constantly developing, so this is not his beginning, but I have plans for him over the course of the RP. I want him to be a villian through his own pain later, but...i don't know how that's going to happen as of now.

 

My thing is its for us to adapt to each others posts and react capably, and is it not smart to make an incredibly capable character? I see no point in doing anything else, unless to serve some other goal.

 

The original Ze'borova though...you would've hated him, let's just say it involved blood and bones....and manipulation.

 

EDIT: I MUST ALSO MAKE THIS POINT CLEAR ZE'BOROVA S DYING AND UNLESS WITHIN SAY ANOTHER RP I JOIN OR SO, I'LL BE KILLNIG HIM AND HE WON'T GET TO HAVE HIS SECOND SHINIGAMI LIFE AND ULITMATELY BE ABLE TO JOIN THE RANKS OF THE GREAEST SHINIGAMI WHO HAVE EVER LIVED....and yes...I treat everything as a giant RP and story line for all my characters.

 

If you are unclear here's some basic things you should know about Ze'b:

 

1. He's smart Strong and fast. Of these his Speed is the best, followed by herculean strength(which he barely uses) followed by his intelligence (which is limited by mine).

2. He is invariably creative and knows how to survive. Well.

3. I've designed him specifically that he can over come his weakness, like the fact that he doesn't use his insane amounts of reiatsu to make his lightning but rather to enhance it. It's a major difference when he does.

Ze'b has 4 forms of attack: Electric, Physical, Combination, Vizard Combo(which is the combo plus hollow)

And i have no idea why I'm telling you all this, but I just want you to understand my character.

 

BUT THEN AGAIN, NO ONE UNDERSTANDS AN RP CHARACTER LIKE THE PERSON WHOSE MADE THEM.

[BlackSkullCortez]

I'm good with those. It's just, when you say enhanced speed and strength, up to what level are they? Basically, can he run/fly faster than Mach-1, or can he only reach 700 MPH? For his strength, can he lift over 25 tons? Just doing an analysis.

[Shadow Zero]

What part of completely unaffected by Phazon in any negative way are you not understanding?

 

Also, you ALWAYS use your world rings, ergo our fight before what you call a filler arc.

 

In creating the Lights of Chaos and Order, Shadows evil side which he had gained control of during the first YCM war is now once again resisting him and trying to become the dominant personality.

 

The Propagation effect of Phazon can go for as long as I want it to, but I can only create so much without the Propagation effect. That's what I was saying before.

[BlackSkullCortez]

I understood the propagation of the Phazon, and I understood not being affected by negative effects. I'm just saying that takes away the balance of it, since Phazon is extremely powerful and yet you seem to take away almost any drawback. If it can kill most organisms by contact instantly or kill them temporarily by exposure and you have no drawback except for how much you can do without the propagation, then it isn't balanced.

 

The World Rings I knew about, but I can only use the Blue Ring without going into later forms. And I was just saying, you shouldn't say that a character with a permanent accessory will be weaker than a character without that accessory. That's basically saying that you can't move as fast as a car while you have a broken leg.

 

What I was referring to about the darker half was that it can't be considered a weakness unless it weakens your psyche, gives you temporary mental disorders, or would make you slow down and cause your body to be taking multiple orders at once, ergo confusing your nervous system. Because when I fought your dark half, it was not any different from the regular, ergo it isn't a weakness without side effects.

[Shadow Zero]

1: The thing for Phazon is the LIMIT that is set on it, you moron!

 

2: Just because my character is going to be having the Lights of Order and Chaos, doesn't meant that he is going to be using them at all times, Aho.

 

3: That was before my character created the Lights of Order and Chaos Baka!

 

4: Why the crap am I justifying myself to you? It's not like YOU are running the rp or anything!

[Mr.WHAM]

I think I referenced his speed and strength a few days ago...but

 

Pre-Shikai: W/o Shunpo he can move at the speed of sound With Shunpo: he can move 2.25 times that

 

Shikai: he can move at Mach 7 to 9 and his shunpo can put him at the speed of light

 

Bankai: He can move at light speed. However, his third form can break that speed b/c of the armor. But you guys won't be seeing that...I hope.

 

As for strength....yea I'll find that one.

[BlackSkullCortez]

Shadow, my IQ is higher than 60, thank you very much.

1. You phrased that poorly, so I misunderstood. Sorry. And it's still not... yeah... I mean, kill on contact stuff, and when you say you can make "so much", I'm thinking about how much blood somebody can recreate, which is "so much", but quite.

2. Same with my World Rings. I'm not ALWAYS using them.

3. Wait, what are you countering this too again? If it's the darker side, I was talking about the mental state, not about the Lights of Chaos and Order. And what would they have to do with it anyway? Power up the darker side?

4. Technically, I gave Fusion this idea, so we have a kind of check-and-balance thing on this. He also said I have a better analysis on these things, FYI, so I'm just helping him. If you have a problem with me checking, you could just politely ask me to stop.

 

Wham, you said the strength is Herculean, so I already know it's huge enough. And with the proportion, I can tell it's beyond the Hulk A LOT. I'm just trying to make power grids, thats all.