Drastic Drop Off is a 1 card OTK

[byak]

 

Opponent draws

They shuffle their hand

You flip Drastic Drop Off

Irreparable game state

game loss

 

 

Also discuss.

[Tronta]

..that's..... hilarious.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Lol ...

 

But most people shuffle their hands on their opponent's turn.

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

Lol ...But most people shuffle their hands on their opponent's turn.

 

true, but some do it on their own, their way of think i suppose..

 

 

also, wouldnt this need to be chained to the Draw..... there wouldnt be time to shuffle your hand...

[Zauls]

 

also, wouldnt this need to be chained to the Draw..... there wouldnt be time to shuffle your hand...

 

They draw a card, shuffle their hand while they think for a while about what to do, they say "I summo-" "DRASTIC DROP OFF!". lol. I love this card now. I am never shuffling my hand again.

[Azuh]

Combine with Bubble Illusion if your opponent even dares to draw his opening hand during your turn >_>

[Expelsword]

Combine with Bubble Illusion if your opponent even dares to draw his opening hand during your turn >_>

 

 

The opening 5 is technically drawn before ANY turn

 

hence Exodia ZTK

 

anyway, you would have to chain as they pick it up, so...

[Zauls]

Can I just say, that is can be really annoying if your opponent top-decks a Dandylion and you chain this XD

[Master Marik]

How is this an OTK in any sense? You're just forcing your opponent to drop 1 if not 3 cards max (with 3 activated at once).

[Tronta]

^^didn't read the post.

 

it's an otk because:

if your opponent shuffles his hand and you activate drastic dropoff, you have no way of knowing which card he drew. therefore, through the opponent's actions, the game is in what's called an 'irreparable state', and your opponent will be given the loss because he caused it.

[evilfusion]

And evidently that's a completely valid situation that can't possibly have been your fault for being slow in activating a card triggered during the Draw Phase. I dont recall anyone seizing their drawn card and rapidly shuffling it into their hand when you know and intend to use Drastic Drop Off.

 

If that "OTK" was ever ruled that it causes a loss WITHOUT the opponent deliberately mixing their hand in anticipation of you doing that, I'd call BS.

[-Berserker-]

What does this counter trap negate?

[burnpsy]

What does this counter trap negate?

 

Drawing.

[-Berserker-]

By the way it's worded, it doesn't seem like negating drawings...

[Catterjune]

Keeps people from chaining, unless they wanna chain with a Counter Trap. Heck, if they just drew a Quick Play, it would be useless if this weren't a Counter trap. <_<

[Toffee.]

Keeps people from chaining, unless they wanna chain with a Counter Trap.

Pretty much.

 

And nice to see that Pika is a Mod.

(Congrats?)

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Pretty much.

 

And nice to see that Pika is a Mod.

(Congrats?)

 

I know.

 

I wonder if she'll ban me for not giving her a Perk A Cola.

[TechnoDoomedOne]

In fact, I don't know why people constantly shuffles their hand. It's f***ing annoying

 

If your opponent wants to interact with your hand and he/she cannot deliverately see your hand and make you discard, shuffle your hand then. It's still legal as far as I know, since if you make your opponent discard without seeing his/her hand is the same as making him/her discard at random.

[Catterjune]

In fact, I don't know why people constantly shuffles their hand. It's f***ing annoying

I do it 'cause I feel awkward just holding something. I gotta do something with my hands while I wait.

 

Also, it helps to confuse opponents with w/e. It surprises me how often someone uses Charge for Ryko and then just immediately sets it...

[BehindTheMask]

It wouldn't be a game loss.

 

If it ever happened, a good judge would come over, decide that the game state is repairable, as no cards have been revealed to either player, except Drastic Drop Off, and then rewind to before the draw phase. The Opponent would draw, Drastic Drop off would go off, and the opponent would discard one card.

 

If the person activating DDO wanted a game loss, the judge could even give him a game loss for unsportsmanlike conduct.

[Blaze Pyro]

This is sort of like Time Seal or Yata-Garasu but not banned. The only difference is the card goes to the grave but it also stops Charge and Black Whirlwind and it's kind of like Urbellum except it doesn't matter how many cards your opponent has.

 

This is a reason why Tsukyomi can't come back (without banning Mask of Darkness).

 

Tsukyomi can recycle Mask of Darkness's effect which recycles Drastic Drop Off and this can be done each turn giving them nothing to do but deck out or for you to just keep attacking directly. (I just thought, that's probably what people did with Time Seal)

[Tronta]

@behind the mask:

if the opponent shuffles his hand, it's impossible to rewind the game because there is no way of verifying which card was drawn, therefore the game state is irreparable.

[Fraz]

It wouldn't be a game loss.

 

If it ever happened, a good judge would come over, decide that the game state is repairable, as no cards have been revealed to either player, except Drastic Drop Off, and then rewind to before the draw phase. The Opponent would draw, Drastic Drop off would go off, and the opponent would discard one card.

 

If the person activating DDO wanted a game loss, the judge could even give him a game loss for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Depends on how the situation came about. There are loads of people who shuffle their new card into their hand less than half a second after drawing it so this situation its not unsportsmanlike to call the judge over. The opponent just robbed you of being able to activate a card that you really should be able to activate so its perfectly acceptable to call the judge and the judge is forced to issue gameloss even though neither player did anything wrong.

[Tronta]

isn't it technically illegal to shuffle your hand?

[.Nu-13]

isn't it technically illegal to shuffle your hand?

 

No