Master White Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 @Ursus: Hey, you MTG player huh? I've played a few but didn't like them, i thought yugioh was a bit more challenging to me. Besides, play 1 not both, unless your expensively rich, which I'm not. @Everyone: I was wondering this and I'm sure only our country does this, was wondering if you guys have a gambling thing. Meaning like the Lottery it is called here. I was just wondering, if it don't, that sucks. Also, Hope you all are doing good this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 @Everyone: I was wondering this and I'm sure only our country does this, was wondering if you guys have a gambling thing. Meaning like the Lottery it is called here. I was just wondering, if it don't, that sucks. Lotto and Euro Millions are Britain's equivilents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Max, I was thinking about this yesterday. Are bus drivers on the left and kids board on the right of the bus, or is it the other way around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 @Max: Thanks, just wondering. @Mr.Striker: That is good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Max, I was thinking about this yesterday. Are bus drivers on the left and kids board on the right of the bus, or is it the other way around? Well, remember in Britain, we drive on the other (correct) side of the road, so the pavement is on the left. And we drive on the right-hand side of the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Um, over here, the correct side in the right side as yours is always the left, which if I went over there, it would be confusing just as if were you coming over here. But I say there is no correct or wrong, just an way of how the country does things. But I am curious, how old do you have to be over there to drive and how much money is it for a vehicle. Just being Curios George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Um, over here, the correct side in the right side as yours is always the left, which if I went over there, it would be confusing just as if were you coming over here. But I say there is no correct or wrong, just an way of how the country does things. But I am curious, how old do you have to be over there to drive and how much money is it for a vehicle. Just being Curios George. It's a running joke in Britain to claim everyone else in the world drives on the wrong side of the road. 17 to get a license and drive on public roads. There are no restrictions, however, on private property. Cars vary vastly in cost and spec. And insurance makes up the most of the costs. But for the vehicle itself, it can range from £100 ($160) for an ancient rust-bucket to £800,000 ($1.3 million) for the Italian and German hypercars. Most first-time drivers usually won't shell out more than £1500 ($2500) for their first car, including insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Well,now I get it, it was a joke,I wasn't for sure...I figured vehicles were expensive, but that much, holy cats. 17 with no restrictions, that would be nice, its 18 here, as I'm sure you are well aware of, but not postive. We have new license rules here, but thankfully I'm 20 and don't have to go through all that painful process. It sucked. Oh well. So, have you made any cards lately and posted it in RC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 So, have you made any cards lately and posted it in RC? I've mainly been making written cards, expanding the "King" archetype Jack uses in the manga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Oh, i see, I have a question for you? Some person in realistic posted a card with this effect. Negate the activation of a Spell or Trap Card and destroy it. Your opponent does not pay any costs for the activation of that card. It is an counter trap card they posted. Now, I would believe it is op'd b/c there is no stipulation on the front saying what they can't negate. So, for freebie wipe would be these cards. Mirror Force, Shadow Spell, Wide Spread Ruin, Starlight Road, Level Limit Area B. They have no costs and yet they could use it on them? Now, is that op'd or not? I'm just thinking and trying to be nice. I am also wondering if it isn't?---------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Oh, i see, I have a question for you? Some person in realistic posted a card with this effect. Negate the activation of a Spell or Trap Card and destroy it. Your opponent does not pay any costs for the activation of that card. It is an counter trap card they posted. Now, I would believe it is op'd b/c there is no stipulation on the front saying what they can't negate. So, for freebie wipe would be these cards. Mirror Force, Shadow Spell, Wide Spread Ruin, Starlight Road, Level Limit Area B. They have no costs and yet they could use it on them? Now, is that op'd or not? I'm just thinking and trying to be nice. I am also wondering if it isn't?---------------- It's very overpowered. Compare "Dark Bribe" and other Counter Traps. You either give up Life Points or hand advantage to stop your opponent. This is free and easy, and therefore overpowered, negation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Can you go say that here then? They seem to ignore it. and a newb is persisting on saying an effect never goes before the cost. I thought that rulebook makes it so the card rules before the rulebook, so therefore they can do it. http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/245227-try-to-get-around-this-card-0-0/ its up to you to go if you want to, but b/c I give my thoughts out, it seems to make me a bad guy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Can you go say that here then? They seem to ignore it. and a newb is persisting on saying an effect never goes before the cost. I thought that rulebook makes it so the card rules before the rulebook, so therefore they can do it. http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/245227-try-to-get-around-this-card-0-0/ its up to you to go if you want to, but b/c I give my thoughts out, it seems to make me a bad guy.... I've posted my opinion on the two cards. The cost always comes before the effect; since you need to pay that cost to activate the card and 'unlock' the effect. It goes: Cost -> Activation -> Effect. Currently, nothing breaks the chain at the cost. Everything kicks in when the effect activates. Eg, if my opponent "Solemn Judgement's" my Spell, and I in turn negate that with "Dark Bribe"; he still has to pay half his Life Points, regardless of the fact his effect did nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Oh well, and yea, I saw, I see you like Gamma Break. Well, what about Dark bribe? Its cost comes last as it goes to your opponent? So therefore breaking the rules? Granted, it isn't an Life point cost, but it is an hand advantage cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted April 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Well, what about Dark bribe? Its cost comes last as it goes to your opponent? So therefore breaking the rules? Granted, it isn't an Life point cost, but it is an hand advantage cost. That's not a cost. It's the second part of its effect. The first part 'resolves', and it instantly goes to the second part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Well, to me, anything that gives your opponent an advantage is an cost, but its just me. That's how I view it. Why can't the effect go before the cost? Is that making it a different effect or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted April 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Well, to me, anything that gives your opponent an advantage is an cost, but its just me. That's how I view it. Perhaps, but it's not a Cost (<- Official YuGiOh term), which dictates where it goes in respect to timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 well, that's true...I kinda forgot that....Official terms rule it out. well, that helps me make my cards better. So I thank you for helping me with this concept. I had to wonder. It is yugioh after all. Why can't the effect go before the cost? Is that making it a different effect or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted April 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 well, that's true...I kinda forgot that....Official terms rule it out. well, that helps me make my cards better. So I thank you for helping me with this concept. I had to wonder. It is yugioh after all. Why can't the effect go before the cost? Is that making it a different effect or what? Because you have to pay the cost to activate the effect. Chaos Trap Hole:Pay 2000 Life Points. Negate the Summon of a LIGHT or DARK monster and remove it from play. Chaos Trap Hole (Explainatory World):When either player Summons a LIGHT or DARK monster, pay 2000 Life Points to activate this card and to negate the Summon of that monster and remove it from play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 But can't you pay the cost after it resolves like saying it has 2 different things you could choose, like LP or Hand advantage put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted April 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 But can't you pay the cost after it resolves like saying it has 2 different things you could choose, like LP or Hand advantage put together. There is one card that puts the cost after it resolves; "Exterio's Fang". So a card like the one you describe would be one of the following: Cost Before:Discard 1 card from your hand OR pay 1000 Life Points. Negate the activation and effect of an Exceed Monster's effect, and send it to the Graveyard. Cost After:Activate only when an Exceed Monster's effect is activated while you have at least 1 card in your hand and 1000 or more Life Points. Negate the activation and effect of that card, and send it to the Graveyard. Then, discard 1 card from your hand OR pay 1000 Life Points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 So, the change is that the person has to have those before it can be activated, now I understand. Is it allowed to use the second one, or is it wrong to? This all helps me become better and I really appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Mind if we talk about the impending US government shut down. It happens friday if Demos and Repubs don't compromise on the budget. I blame the Tea Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Darkness Posted April 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 The second one only exists on one card, but is perfectly viable to use. However, I don't know the rulings of when you can't fulfill the cost at the end. For example, if you activated our example card, then your opponent chains "Call of the Haunted", "Gladiator Lash" and "Chain Blast"; reducing your hand to zero and your Life Points to less than 1000, does the card ever resolve? @ Striker: I'm surprised your governmental parties can't compromise, since they are basically the same political viewpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 @Max: That's a Good question on that card. Well, our government is similar, but better or worse is up to you. Your government is similiar, but different in words and branches and all, I couldn't understand it all. It'd take me a year to understand. Well, I see fit that I gov needs to end anyhow, but there is reasons beyond that are particular not my strong suit. @Mr.Striker: You not liking the parties yet? I can't believe they haven't decided to do rock paper scissors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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