Blaziken Vs Infernape

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Let the battle for the superior Fire-Fighting Pokemon...Begin! Personal vote...Blaziken!

[Dark]

This is, again, pretty one-sided.

 

Infernape has Base 108 Speed as opposed to Blaziken's Base 80, meaning it can outspeed a lot more. It can outspeed Base 100s and lower, which is a significant portion of the metagame compared to Blaziken's Base 80s and lower, and even then Adamant Blaziken only forces a Speed tie with other neutrals.

 

Granted Blaziken does have better attacking stats, 6 more SpA and 16 more Atk, but that doesn't matter all too much. Blaziken only nets extra KOs via the extra Attack, which doesn't matter because it's slower and will run a Scarf if used in Standard.

 

Blaziken also doesn't have Close Combat, which hurts because Superpower gets weaker after consecutive hits, because of the Atk drop. Blaziken doesn't have Grass Knot, U-turn, Nasty Plot, et cetera, et cetera.

 

While I didn't bring tiering into it last time (since Lucario could beat Mewtwo), now I will. There is a reason Infernape is OU and Blaziken is UU.

 

However, in a one-on-one fight, since neither normally carry Focus Sash, it depends who moves first. Scarf Infernape beats any type of Blaziken, while Scarf Blaziken beats any type of non-Scarf Infernape. :/

[Yankee]

This is' date=' again, pretty one-sided.

 

Infernape has Base 108 Speed as opposed to Blaziken's Base 80, meaning it can outspeed [b']a lot[/b] more. It can outspeed Base 100s and lower, which is a significant portion of the metagame compared to Blaziken's Base 80s and lower, and even then Adamant Blaziken only forces a Speed tie with other neutrals.

 

Granted Blaziken does have better attacking stats, 6 more SpA and 16 more Atk, but that doesn't matter all too much. Blaziken only nets extra KOs via the extra Attack, which doesn't matter because it's slower and will run a Scarf if used in Standard.

 

Blaziken also doesn't have Close Combat, which hurts because Superpower gets weaker after consecutive hits, because of the Atk drop. Blaziken doesn't have Grass Knot, U-turn, Nasty Plot, et cetera, et cetera.

 

While I didn't bring tiering into it last time (since Lucario could beat Mewtwo), now I will. There is a reason Infernape is OU and Blaziken is UU.

 

However, in a one-on-one fight, since neither normally carry Focus Sash, it depends who moves first. Scarf Infernape beats any type of Blaziken, while Scarf Blaziken beats any type of non-Scarf Infernape. :/

 

Tiering...? Ou...UU...?

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

This is' date=' again, pretty one-sided.

 

Infernape has Base 108 Speed as opposed to Blaziken's Base 80, meaning it can outspeed [b']a lot[/b] more. It can outspeed Base 100s and lower, which is a significant portion of the metagame compared to Blaziken's Base 80s and lower, and even then Adamant Blaziken only forces a Speed tie with other neutrals.

 

Granted Blaziken does have better attacking stats, 6 more SpA and 16 more Atk, but that doesn't matter all too much. Blaziken only nets extra KOs via the extra Attack, which doesn't matter because it's slower and will run a Scarf if used in Standard.

 

Blaziken also doesn't have Close Combat, which hurts because Superpower gets weaker after consecutive hits, because of the Atk drop. Blaziken doesn't have Grass Knot, U-turn, Nasty Plot, et cetera, et cetera.

 

While I didn't bring tiering into it last time (since Lucario could beat Mewtwo), now I will. There is a reason Infernape is OU and Blaziken is UU.

 

However, in a one-on-one fight, since neither normally carry Focus Sash, it depends who moves first. Scarf Infernape beats any type of Blaziken, while Scarf Blaziken beats any type of non-Scarf Infernape. :/

not to forget that Infernape can use Slack off

[Dark]

OU is overused, meaning a bunch of people use it.

UU is underused, meaning not a lot of people use it.

 

not to forget that Infernape can use Slack off

 

With Base 76/71/71 defense stats, it can't live a hit to use Slack Off in the first place. :/

[Yankee]

OU is overused' date=' meaning a bunch of people use it.

UU is underused, meaning not a lot of people use it.

 

[i']not to forget that Infernape can use Slack off[/i]

 

With Base 76/71/71 defense stats, it can't live a hit to use Slack Off in the first place. :/

 

I'm assuming it's UU for a reason...?

 

I <3 Blaziken DX

It's got tons of power, and CAN get pretty quick if you do enough work...DX

[Dark]

Let's look at all of the things faster than Blaziken and slower than Infernape that are big threats to both, assuming they are outsped.

 

Flygon

Jirachi

Salamence

Staraptor

Tentacruel

Typhlosion

Zapdos

Luvdisc (lolnotreally)

Arcanine

Electivire

Gliscor

Sharpedo

Yanmega

Lucario

Porygon-Z

Rotom Formes

Cresselia

Kingdra

Magmortar

Gyarados

Milotic

 

All of those are outsped by Infernape, but all of those also outspeed Blaziken.

 

It's not a complete list; I just posted ones that can threaten both Blaziken and Infernape.

[Yankee]

Meh, I <3 Blaziken anyway XD

[Xazeon]

Am I the only one who saw 'Slack Off' and misread it as 'Jack Off'?

 

I was going to say half of what Dark already said.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Infernape. Better movepool and better Speed are all it needs to out Blaziken. Still Blaziken does have a few things like better base Attack and Special Attack as well as access to Agility but really, it isn't enough to warrant use of Blaziken over Infernape.

[Wuu.]

This is' date=' again, pretty one-sided.

 

Infernape has Base 108 Speed as opposed to Blaziken's Base 80, meaning it can outspeed [b']a lot[/b] more. It can outspeed Base 100s and lower, which is a significant portion of the metagame compared to Blaziken's Base 80s and lower, and even then Adamant Blaziken only forces a Speed tie with other neutrals.

 

Granted Blaziken does have better attacking stats, 6 more SpA and 16 more Atk, but that doesn't matter all too much. Blaziken only nets extra KOs via the extra Attack, which doesn't matter because it's slower and will run a Scarf if used in Standard.

 

Blaziken also doesn't have Close Combat, which hurts because Superpower gets weaker after consecutive hits, because of the Atk drop. Blaziken doesn't have Grass Knot, U-turn, Nasty Plot, et cetera, et cetera.

 

While I didn't bring tiering into it last time (since Lucario could beat Mewtwo), now I will. There is a reason Infernape is OU and Blaziken is UU.

 

However, in a one-on-one fight, since neither normally carry Focus Sash, it depends who moves first. Scarf Infernape beats any type of Blaziken, while Scarf Blaziken beats any type of non-Scarf Infernape. :/

 

This >> Thread.

[Archbaron Larry]

But Blaziken has Brave Bird *supereffective*

 

Infernape uses Close Combat!

 

loses Sp DEF and DEF.

 

Blaziken uses Brave Bird!

 

Infernape died O__O

[Xazeon]

But Blaziken has Brave Bird *supereffective*

 

Infernape uses Close Combat!

 

loses Sp DEF and DEF.

 

Blaziken uses Brave Bird!

 

Infernape died O__O

 

This wouldn't happen. First, Infernape is faster. Second, why would it use Close Combat against Blaziken?

 

Your logic is flawed.

[Archbaron Larry]

But Blaziken has Brave Bird *supereffective*

 

Infernape uses Close Combat!

 

loses Sp DEF and DEF.

 

Blaziken uses Brave Bird!

 

Infernape died O__O

 

This wouldn't happen. First' date=' Infernape is faster. Second, why would it use Close Combat against Blaziken?

 

Your logic is flawed.

[/quote']

 

Infernape did go first.

 

And what other move would Infernape Use?

 

He wouldn't use a fire move, and beisdes his fire moves, what other moves does he have besides Close Combat?

[Xazeon]

But Blaziken has Brave Bird *supereffective*

 

Infernape uses Close Combat!

 

loses Sp DEF and DEF.

 

Blaziken uses Brave Bird!

 

Infernape died O__O

 

This wouldn't happen. First' date=' Infernape is faster. Second, why would it use Close Combat against Blaziken?

 

Your logic is flawed.

[/quote']

 

Infernape did go first.

 

And what other move would Infernape Use?

 

He wouldn't use a fire move, and beisdes his fire moves, what other moves does he have besides Close Combat?

 

Infernape did not go first; Blaziken went first in your scenerio.

 

If someone smart was using Infernape, they'd have switched Pokemon.

[Archbaron Larry]

Yes, Infenape did go first. The first thing I said was just stating that Blaziken had Brave Bird.

 

And there are no other Pokemon in this thread. Just Blaziken and Infernape.

[Xazeon]

Yes' date=' Infenape did go first. The first thing I said was just stating that Blaziken had Brave Bird.

 

And there are no other Pokemon in this thread. Just Blaziken and Infernape.

[/quote']

 

No. You started off with Blaziken, therefore Blaziken had the first move.

 

Infernape would use Stone Edge.

[Eury]

No, Xaz. In this scenario, lets say it's a Physical MixApe. If it's a Mixed Priority Blaziken, Close Combat will always OHKO. If it's Mixed Agility, Reversal, Mixed Scarf, Specs or Physical, Blaziken only has a 3% chance of possibly surviving a Close Combat.

 

Edit: Xaz, Close Combat does more damage then Stone Edge.

[Guest ruga650]

Yes' date=' Infenape did go first. The first thing I said was just stating that Blaziken had Brave Bird.

 

And there are no other Pokemon in this thread. Just Blaziken and Infernape.

[/quote']

 

No. You started off with Blaziken, therefore Blaziken had the first move.

 

Infernape would use Stone Edge.

 

Enough with the argument!!!!!!!!! It is getting annoying!:mad:

[Toffee.]

You know' date=' with artwork like this, Its hard to [i']not[/i] vote for Infernape(for me at least)

 

.....but Blaziken is still Captain Falcon.

[Xazeon]

No' date=' Xaz. In this scenario, lets say it's a Physical MixApe. If it's a Mixed Priority Blaziken, Close Combat will always OHKO. If it's Mixed Agility, Reversal, Mixed Scarf, Specs or Physical, Blaziken only has a 3% chance of possibly surviving a Close Combat.

 

Edit: Xaz, Close Combat does more damage then Stone Edge.

[/quote']

 

Really? Didn't know that.

[Kitty]

I've had a Blaziken on a game but I've never had an Infernape so I'll go with Blaziken.

[-Berserker-]

Infernape is a deity, but cannot beat the already confirmed for Black/White Blaziken Atmospheric Forme:

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Latias_Combusken.jpg

[Dark]

Please remember that Rock is not-very-effective against Fighting-types. It makes no logical sense, and it's a typing that everyone seems to forget.

 

Thus, Stone Edge would be neutral against Blaziken. Either way, Close Combat would have more base power, unless Edge was se, but it wouldn't matter much.

 

CC has 120 BP to start out with, and after STAB it has 180.

Stone Edge has 100 BP, but if it was se, it'd have 200. It wouldn't matter, since Blaziken has shit defenses.

[Limited Edition KING]

Blaziken looks better than Infernape in my opinion.