WHY LESS CARDS IN YOUR DECK IS BETTER

[Wildheart122]

I second that this game was meant to be fun and have a great time just playing for the hell of it not some up tight type strategy game that makes you sweat trying to take out a single card to make it a certain number in a deck. You start depending on people way too much and you start losing your own ability to think for yourself. Usually when you fail that inspires you to do better the next time so you will learn from your mistakes if you duel a person who has a 70+ card deck they will learn, a very hard way, but they will learn that 70+ cards in a deck ain't suck a great idea then they can correct it.

[Guest Ixigo]

Ixigo' date=' yes this game is about having fun, but why not have fun and win? lots more fun for you.

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Uh, because calculating infinite strategies and combos and thinking for days which card you should remove from a deck so that it has the absolute minimum number so you can draw your goddamn neccessary standard cards that can always win every game and that everyone uses anyway is not exactly the definition of "fun" for most regular people, maybe?

 

seriously' date=' why are people arguing???

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I'm not arguing. I'm stating that your way aims towards victory. My way aims towards having the most fun. Elemental Heroes suck as cards. I like using Elemental Heroes. I WILL use Elemental Heroes, even if I don't always win (metaphor, I hate E-Heroes, they are the cheesiest thing ever thought up in any anime series ever). Why? Because it's fun playing with them.

 

Macro Monarchs or however the hell you call these "super-strategies" are imba, they win every game, no n00b can stand against them, but they're just a worthless bunch of cards to me that everyone uses the exact same way in the exact same deck, so every duel is as boring as the next. You will use them because they will make you win. Good for you. I won't use them, because these cards are dull, these strategies are dull and abused, and that means that winning will be worthless, and I'd much rather lose horribly with my favorite deck that just uses normal monsters than win with those cards. Why, because I do not enjoy playing.

 

By all means, if you do enjoy playing Monarchs, then go ahead and play them - but if you're using them just because they are strong and you'd much rather play something else, or even worse, because OTHER PEOPLE tell you they are strong and you MUST use them in order to win, then save your Monarch deck for tournaments and make a casual deck with your favorite cards to play with your friends and have fun.

 

"oh you could use 60 cards with more support and its better blah blah blah"

 

no. bad. stop.

 

Your. Flawed. Opinion.

 

Who cares if it's better or worse' date=' it's your deck, you play with it, you have fun, if you have 40 cards or 100 cards, it's still a good game to play, especially if you play with others who think LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE.

 

cant be fun if you never win.

 

Wtf, that's retarded. Of course it can be fun if you don't win. Just playing is fun, sheez.

 

for those who are arguing' date=' give me some good reasons how a 60 card deck is better than 40, and i will donate all my points to you.

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Uh, I dunno, because someone may WANT to have more than 40 cards in his deck?? Just because there are more cards that he likes and that he thinks he'll like having in his deck?

 

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The conclusion:

 

If you want to win, use those boring, standard strategies that ruin the game by making it mundane and repetitive.

 

If you want to win and have fun, take your time to practice, and find a good combination with your favorite cards to play. No card is worthless - if you like it, experiment and find a way to incorporate it in your style.

 

If you just want to have fun, then play with any deck you like against your friends. Just... don't post it here, because victory-obsessed Monarch users will jump at you, spamming you with 100 reasons why your deck sucks, and disregarding the one, most important reason as to why it doesn't. Which is, because YOU LIKE IT.

 

Period.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

HORUS

 

 

add how many spells/traps/monsters you need too xD

 

 

not 10 traps xD

 

up to 5 traps.....really...no more

[Blade Knight]

Well you can help me then

 

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/showthread.php?tid=22194

[JesusofChaos™]

The point in playing Yugioh is having fun... how can you have fun if you have to break your head all the time' date=' "will I draw this, what kind of percentage will I have of drawing this card, and how will it be influenced if I add this one..." That kind of thinking is, in one word, failure. You lose the meaning of the game, and all enjoyment comes from beating so-called "noobs" who run decks they like and have fun with them. Which is, in a very literal sense of the word, sick.

 

Just use cards you like. YOU LIKE E-HEROES? USE E-HEROES. For the love of god, this is a game, it is supposed to be fun, not like... "Omfg, I must use these Monarchs, or there is a 65.753 chance that I'll lose" or "Omfg, I have 44 cards instead of 43, the world is doomed". Where is the fun in that? Unless you play to win money in tournaments, that kind of thinking is absolutely retarded in my book, and I will never, ever come to respect a person who bashes other people for using cards they like, in a deck they like, in a game they like.

 

'Nuff said.

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I completely agree with this apart from the fact that if you keep losing you wont be having fun. Person i saw today had 5 cyber dragons i asked him how many do u run in your deck. he said all of them. I almost died laughing

[Orochi]

horus, maybe in another life we would be trammates... excellent doing...

 

the only time that i ran a deck over 40 card is my virus deckout, that deck has 45 card for 2 reasons: 1) it's a deckout, it needs more cards than your opponent's deck so you won't run out of deck first... and 2) it's part of the strategy...

 

 

but always run 40 even 42 cards, and if you're complicated enough by thinking "if i put this card i won't put that..." remember: THAT?S WHY THE SIDE DECK EXISTS YOU N00B!!!

[Guest King of Games]

i agree whole-heartedly with orochi.

There is one reason to use more than 43 or so cards. THat is a Card Destruction deck, where more cards are needed so you dont lose to your own stategy. It's the second way that a duel is won.

 

And all those situational cards belong in the side deck

[The Slime Lord]

While I completely agree with you, the bashing of anyone who doesn't agree and the bashing of decks with more than 44 cards wasn't exactly necessary (Shaco kinda said that already). Simply comparing a deck with 40 cards and one with 50-60 would have been good. It's just that saying things like "why", "shut up, "fail", "stop", "bad", "no", etc. kinda make me think slightly less about this potentially very informative guide.

[Death12328]

*Face palm*

 

40-43 are the Speed Decks, 44+ Are the Miller/Code decks

 

Although true I can believe that having a deck with near bare minimum of the limit of cards of 40 does give you access to cards faster, sometimes thats not always best, against mill decks that can survive 10 turns longer then a speed deck unless beaten.

 

The next person to go "60 Card Decks Suck" really needs to zip their mouth with fifty-one locks, think rationally about why a person would run that deck then just for speed, if you can't understand that you really do need more learning in strategy then "Faster = Better" which is one reason why I Game Hop to find a game where another understands that rule and that you could be having 2 cards left in your deck with Swords of Revealing Light on the field with 2 Turns left with 2 counters from Magic Reflector to shield it from S/T/M destruction.

[The Slime Lord]

The thing is, what do you think will have a better chance of winning? A 40 card Wind deck, or a 60 card Wind deck?

[Dragon Master]

because it helps u get the cards u need right away

[Luna Diviner]

Hey they guy before said that if you practice with a deck you can find a strategy ,WTF e-heros don't even work together they barely have effects.

And another way to draw cards is to have more then 1 of the card.

But you do need to make good strats and not just do what you want because now adays people are calling you n00bss fror everythinng so if you use heros and your called a n00b wheres the fun.

Yes this game is for fun but it is competitive thats why their are tournaments.

[Guest Ixigo]

Hey they guy before said that if you practice with a deck you can find a strategy ' date='WTF e-heros don't even work together they barely have effects.

And another way to draw cards is to have more then 1 of the card.

But you do need to make good strats and not just do what you want because now adays people are calling you n00bss fror everythinng so if you use heros and your called a n00b wheres the fun.

Yes this game is for fun but it is competitive thats why their are tournaments.

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Tournaments are for people who think winning in a children's card game will create some sort of reputation to be proud of, and people who want the money.

 

The first category is laughable, and the second needs a job.

 

The average player will run E-Heroes. The average player is a 'noob' in your eyes? To me, everyone who uses that word offensively is a moron. So what's the big deal if someone enjoys a game they like, without caring about winning? So they're losing, you say. Well guess what - not all people think that winning in card games is more important than having fun. Like I said:

 

Losing with a deck you like >>>>>>>>>>.Winning with a deck you hate

 

That summarizes everything.

 

EDIT: As for people calling you 'noob', that's about the most offensive thing you can say... for yourself. People who use that word offensively are retards. Just that.

[Luna Diviner]

My eyes.

I myself have been called a n00b.

I even called myself a n00b many times.

and have you ever thought that you can have a job and win tournaments.

No I used to run heroes all my friends ran heros I just said to them that they are not good as they don't have any effect which unites them.

Now all of my friends are using decks that are good.

Cyber dragon.

Evil heroes [kinda good]

and they enjoy these even more.

If you win with a deck you hate then get a a deck you like and one that is playable.

I kinda agree with you dude.

and I am just saying HORUS is right he is harsh but right.

[Azmania2260]

Hey HORUS, I made a deck of about 42 cards, it's a Volcanic Deck. Check it out, in new posts.

 

Give me some help with it, I need some HORUS in it. :D

[Kei-kun]

I thought at first that making a deck that big was crazy, but a friend of mine proved me otherwise. He made a deck of about 55 cards when I took him on. I was playing a pretty Spellcaster-Deck against him. I thought that the large deck would slow him down some, but it didn't. He deck strategy uses 10 different ways to win (hence the name of the deck) and it flowed extremely well. Needless to say, I lost in about 5 turns >.> I don't see myself playing a deck that big, but it doesn't mean that they can't be done and done effectively.

[maddog15]

dont know if some1 has already said this but the only time i would ever play a deck with more than 50 cards in it is if the deck designed to drain your and your oponents deck very quickly, coz i found this out the hard when i made a 40 card deck out deck, and it back fired on me.

[Briton of Rose]

As far as I can tell, the only good reason to run a 60-card deck is so that when you beat HORUS with it, his head will explode.

 

In the fun vs. winning debate: If winning is the only way you can have fun, you shouldn't play with other people. Fewer people = less chance of losing.

 

E-Heroes: You only hate them because hating them is "in" right now.

 

Namecalling: Unnecessary, unenlightened, and under no circumstances should you say anything about someone else that you wouldn't say about your mother.

[HORUS]

Ixigo, if you are SO convinced that having more cards in your deck is better, duel me online on Game King.

 

just yesterday i crushed Byakuya_remix in the first 2 duels of 3.

 

 

and also, i find a lot of fun in playing a good deck, because i know i am respected by other people at my locals. before i was so bad that if i even talked to them they would be like wtf get out. i have a lot more fun with building different decks that are fun, but 40 cards, so they are good.

[Logmon1]

Um...

 

Just the other day I was dueling a guy with a ninty card deck, but he had it stacked with monsters and other cards that would let him search through it and special summon some uber card that he needed and was down near the bottom.

 

Meanwhile, my deck of 52 had been on the defensive for a few turns. I had The Dark Door, Magician's Valkyria, Dark Magician with Ring of Magnatism, and Fenfier Dragon with 4000+ ATK all out, and he was still kicking my ***! Hell, his monster that took down my Fenfier, who had kept me clear for the most part, was an Avian which he had boosted to 5000+.

[Guest]

Horus thats a cheep shot man, it was a good duel and if I remember right we had a good duel yesterday, and u countered the crap out of my traps, also i remember destroying you before yesterday

[jemjosher]

While I agree with what you are saying here there is also the Skill factor to include. Some people can make a 60 card deck work.

 

no. wrong. wont happen. shut up. stop.

 

ok so i run small decks but one of my best friends runs a dark magician deck with 49 cards and it works well its not advanced dew to pot of greed but all he has to do is sub it for avrice. and let me tell you wow the stuff he pulls out is just amazing with out fail by the second turn he has at least one dark magician

[Static]

Ixigo' date=' yes this game is about having fun, but why not have fun and win? lots more fun for you.

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Uh, because calculating infinite strategies and combos and thinking for days which card you should remove from a deck so that it has the absolute minimum number so you can draw your goddamn neccessary standard cards that can always win every game and that everyone uses anyway is not exactly the definition of "fun" for most regular people, maybe?

 

Maybe you were misinformed, but Yugioh is a strategy game. The point of the game is to PLAN OUT A WAY TO WIN! Simple fact. Got it? Good. If you don't like strategy, why would someone play a STRATEGY game? Seriously, the children who play just to summon their blue eyes are just playing the cards, but not the "Game" of yugioh.

 

seriously' date=' why are people arguing???

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I'm not arguing. I'm stating that your way aims towards victory. My way aims towards having the most fun. Elemental Heroes suck as cards. I like using Elemental Heroes. I WILL use Elemental Heroes, even if I don't always win (metaphor, I hate E-Heroes, they are the cheesiest thing ever thought up in any anime series ever). Why? Because it's fun playing with them.

 

Macro Monarchs or however the hell you call these "super-strategies" are imba, they win every game, no n00b can stand against them, but they're just a worthless bunch of cards to me that everyone uses the exact same way in the exact same deck, so every duel is as boring as the next. You will use them because they will make you win. Good for you. I won't use them, because these cards are dull, these strategies are dull and abused, and that means that winning will be worthless, and I'd much rather lose horribly with my favorite deck that just uses normal monsters than win with those cards. Why, because I do not enjoy playing.

 

By all means, if you do enjoy playing Monarchs, then go ahead and play them - but if you're using them just because they are strong and you'd much rather play something else, or even worse, because OTHER PEOPLE tell you they are strong and you MUST use them in order to win, then save your Monarch deck for tournaments and make a casual deck with your favorite cards to play with your friends and have fun.

 

Monarchs have variants, Demise and Gadgets have (a couple) variants. Perfect Circle has variants. Also, the favorite card comment is needless. My favorite cards are based on their strategies. Sure, maybe SMALL CHILDREN have BEWD as their favorite, but its not like they make much of a difference to the high levels of play. I win and lose with my favorite cards every time I play, so to assume that Meta cards are "those cards that no one has as favorites" is blasphemy.

 

 

"oh you could use 60 cards with more support and its better blah blah blah"

 

no. bad. stop.

 

Your. Flawed. Opinion.

 

Who cares if it's better or worse' date=' it's your deck, you play with it, you have fun, if you have 40 cards or 100 cards, it's still a good game to play, especially if you play with others who think LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE.

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Oh Joy...

 

The bolded part might be the most hypocritical thing I have EVER read. Flawed opinions do not exist, I would argue that Flaws do not exist, but alas, this is not the time or place. E heros are BAD FOR THE META, so I don't see how is opinion is wrong. To claim that people who aren't good at the game are the "Normal" people is also fallacy. I think that believing in god isn't normal, as normality implies that one has common sense. Does that make it abnormal? No, learn the difference between fact and opinion and then try to argue.

 

 

cant be fun if you never win.

 

Wtf' date=' that's retarded. Of course it can be fun if you don't win. Just playing is fun, sheez.

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Its nice to win, if you play right. If you play the cards to your best advantage and still lose, reflect on the mistakes, and try again with the knowledge you learn't (from all past wins and losses).

 

Both your opinions are SELF APPLICABLE. Neither of you may speak for others with that matter. [why the game is fun]

 

for those who are arguing' date=' give me some good reasons how a 60 card deck is better than 40, and i will donate all my points to you.

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Uh, I dunno, because someone may WANT to have more than 40 cards in his deck?? Just because there are more cards that he likes and that he thinks he'll like having in his deck?

 

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The conclusion:

 

If you want to win, use those boring, standard strategies that ruin the game by making it mundane and repetitive.

 

If you want to win and have fun, take your time to practice, and find a good combination with your favorite cards to play. No card is worthless - if you like it, experiment and find a way to incorporate it in your style.

 

If you just want to have fun, then play with any deck you like against your friends. Just... don't post it here, because victory-obsessed Monarch users will jump at you, spamming you with 100 reasons why your deck sucks, and disregarding the one, most important reason as to why it doesn't. Which is, because YOU LIKE IT.

 

Period.

 

Bolded = Doesn't make it better, just makes it fitting to desire.

 

Monarchs aren't boring, there a secure strategy that has been tested, and they work. As is Demise, Burn, and gadgets, they've been tested to work. The variants, ones that (monarchs as the example) that use D heros, D.D, Shells (volcanic), Apprentices, box(tomato/rat/etc) are the creative part. You could even create your own variant, and its a safe bet if your still running the same meta type. Personally, I encourage people testing new variants for deck types, so that there is more different deck types that have been tested, analyzed, and played. If you can build a competitive deck out of cards you like, be my guest, but if you call it competitive, you better be able to back it up by at least posing a challenge to common meta decks.

 

So Kramer likes to win. Whats your point? If someone asks for deck help, they should expect to be [respectfully] criticized, but CRITICIZED NONE THE LESS.

 

Side Note: Also, it helps to question why certain changes are made in your deck topic if you don't understand, sucking up to the "Meta" players and being a "Yes man" doesn't help you learn the game any better.

 

On another side note, my friend built a deck with every card in the game, in highest legal quantity, on Gameking. xD

 

Fin.

[Master52394]

yeah but you run outta cards faster.

[kid]

yeah but you win and get the right cards faster