Dub Question

[Umbra]

Obviously' date=' I'm not the idiot. All I meant is that if the kid friendly ones were the originals, you'd be complaining that the other versions aren't like it at all. You're only against the 4Kids dubs because the original version was different. If the original was the kid friendly one and the dub was the violent one you'd be against the violent one because it's different.

 

It's called conditioned reasoning.

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Obviously, you are. With age normally comes a need for realism, to some extent, which kid-friendly series tend to distract from. Accepting some of the 5D's canon as sci-fi, which it is, the fundamental laws of things are still more or less intact. (The exception being Jaeger.) Regardless whether you like it or not, violence, segregation of society and the chasm between rich and poor are very real.

 

It's called logical reasoning. With the direction YGO has taken, it's not meant to be a kid's series. When 4Kids change that, they're going against everything the original stood for. (Except for selling cards, but let's disregard that.) As mentioned earlier, their 5D's dub is full of horrid mistakes regarding the very rules of the game, which spawns bad players thinking "they called it that in the anime, it must be right".

 

Short version; YGO isn't intended to be a children's series, and 4Kids are doing it wrong.

 

Short, short version: 4Kids are doing it wrong.

 

Shortest version: 4Kids are wrong.

[Rockin' Rollin' Duelist]

I find nothing wrong with the 4Kids dub besides that it's different. Different doesn't mean bad

[DARKPLANT RISING]

You don't like the blood and gore in Japanese Dark Signers?

[Rockin' Rollin' Duelist]

I didnt say that. I like both the original and the dub. Except for 5D's. That was horrible in both versions

[Cin]

I find nothing wrong with the 4Kids dub besides that it's different. Different doesn't mean bad

 

Are you watching same program we're watching?

 

It does when they slaughter characters, more than the anime did when they were brought from the manga (I blame my friend Nicole for this). If I could afford it, I'd buy the manga and screw the anime for DM and 'A Shadow Game'. The Dub is basically a super mild version of the Manga.

 

Well that's you opinion on 5Ds.

[Shradow]

I can see all of your points' date=' but they all center around the same thing. You're complaining that they changed it from the original and made it more geared towards children, because in America, most cartoons (anime are cartoons) are for kids.

 

[b']If those were the versions to come out first, you wouldn't be complaining because it'd be what you're used to.[/b]

 

I've watched both versions of all three Yu-Gi-Oh series, and besides some differences and dubbing errors, I found nothing wrong with them.

 

Some of the animes, like DBZ, have even come out with Unedited english dubs which follow the original story better.

 

I'm just putting One Piece out as an example. It first came out with 4kids dub, and some were used to it. Then FUNimation did their uncut dubbing, and everyone snapped out of it and complained that 4kids still sucks, even though their dubbing was first.

 

Give us another of your reasonings so we may use logic to render it useless.

[Legend Zero]

FUNimation should buy out 4kids.

 

Problem solved.

[Shradow]

FUNimation should buy out 4kids then destroy it.

 

Problem solved.

 

Fixed.

[Dr. Cakey]

You sound like a person trying to defend Twilight. Only with less of an excuse.

[Phantom Roxas]

Funimation dubbed digimon....duh.

 

They didn't. That was all Saban, who did Power Rangers and had ties to 4Kids. In fact, most of the professional voice actors in the Digimon dubs are associated with ViZ.

 

4Kids often give characters less better-sounding names, avoids the very concept of death regardless of how not-brutal it is and considers religion a taboo. Keep in the mind that several programs kid's programs have characters explicitly stated to be Jewish. I personally don't care what religion a character is, and I see nothing wrong with religion so long as it's only purpose is to just be there. Take for example Varon from the Doma arc. He was taken in by a nun in the Japanese version, but this is just one of the scenes that the dub removed for no reason other than 4Kids is afraid of telling me.

 

Maybe it's just me, but I saw countless programs where a character is killed when I was very young, be it either offscreen or simply mentioned as an aside. Granted, getting your legs sawed off is pretty brutal, but even if they edited it, kids are not stupid. They can figure out that saw plus legs equals bad, and the idea of the Shadow Realm doesn't help either, as one can still see it as some kind of Hell.

 

GX was pretty bad with killing characters, such as Edo's father being kidnapped or Cobra's son getting an unspecified disease that I choose to pretend is leukemia for the sake of making 4Kids sounds cruel.

[Legend Zero]

Really!? I was going based off this.

http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=show&b=275

 

Well what do you know they took the dub down from their site.

[Dr. Cakey]

I just remembered one I really loved - 5D's of course. This particular item has to do with Misty's brother. Divine used him for experiments from which he eventually died. Sayer, on the other hand, keeps Toby and others like him in a secret base that changes location all the time and is so secret he doesn't even know where it is. How, my lovely little Twihard-analog, do you defend that?

[Rockin' Rollin' Duelist]

Again, you're citing only differences. How can you honestly claim something to be bad because it's different. That's how racism started.

 

Yes, it's different. Yes, it's far off from how it was originally made. But that doesn't make it bad. I think that the new spins they put on it were interesting. Less violent and more kid friendly? Sure, but something doesn't have to be all about violence, guns and killing to be good.

 

My favorite animes in English are as follows.

 

One Piece

Naruto

Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Kai

Sailor Moon (don't judge me)

Case Closed

Yu-Gi-Oh/GX

Ranma 1/2

Death Note

Yu-Yu-Hakusho

Shaman King

Hikaru No Go

Bleach

 

 

In Japanese

 

Hellsing

One Piece

Yu-Gi-Oh/GX

Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Kai

Detective Conan

Rosario + Vampire

Ranma 1/2

Death Note

Shaman King

Bleach

[Legend Zero]

My favorite animes in English are as follows.

 

One Piece Not a fan

Naruto Use to but prefer subs

Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Kai <3

Sailor Moon (don't judge me) <3

Case Closed Meh

Yu-Gi-Oh/GX Both horrid but subs go further

Ranma 1/2 never seen

Death Note not my kinda anime *gets shot*

Yu-Yu-Hakusho I only liked the end

Shaman King <3

Hikaru No Go <3

Bleach Meh

What!? No Gundam or Digimon?

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Someone likes GX?

[Rockin' Rollin' Duelist]

Yes, I like GX. And no, defenitly not Gundam, and I hated the Digimon anime to be honest. I love the Digimon World games though.

[Umbra]

Again' date=' you're citing only differences. How can you honestly claim something to be bad because it's different. That's how racism started.

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Actually, this argument is more similar to the argument whether to use acids and such to keep bugs off your crops. The acid being 4Kids, of course.

Or genetically modified crops. My point is, 4Kids took something that already existed and changed it, and made it worse. They don't follow the terminology of the Japanese show, or the card game itself, they make up horrible puns, and their edits are completely nonsensical.

 

Yes' date=' it's different. Yes, it's far off from how it was originally made. But that doesn't make it bad. I think that the new spins they put on it were interesting. Less violent and more kid friendly? Sure, but something doesn't have to be all about violence, guns and killing to be good.

[/quote']

 

The point is that they did a horrible job at changing it. 4Kids took a young adult series and lowered the target audience with about ten years, similar to my Texas Chainsaw Massacre statement earlier. Change isn't bad by default, and I won't argue that point, but 4Kids' dub of the YGO series are.

 

But since you're a rabid, close-minded fan, we probably will never come to an agreement; we might as well talk about something else.

[Rockin' Rollin' Duelist]

Rabid close-minded fan? I wouldn't go that far.

 

I see where you're coming from, I really do. In a way I'd understand, it'd be like if they continued Monk and replaced Tony Shalhoub with Jim Belushi or something.

 

But again, you've only stated the changes. You're talking about how the storyline was changed, bad puns added, and that their edits don't make sense. For a moment try looking at it this way.

 

Think of a way it is naturally bad. Forget all about the original japanese version for a second. Act like the dub is the only one that ever exsisted and tell me how it's still bad.

 

You have nothing to compare it to, you can't complain about changes. Look at it that way and see if you can still find fault with it.

[Umbra]

Rabid close-minded fan? I wouldn't go that far.

 

I see where you're coming from' date=' I really do. In a way I'd understand, it'd be like if they continued Monk and replaced Tony Shalhoub with Jim Belushi or something.

 

But again, you've only stated the changes. You're talking about how the storyline was changed, bad puns added, and that their edits don't make sense. For a moment try looking at it this way.

 

Think of a way it is naturally bad. Forget all about the original japanese version for a second. Act like the dub is the only one that ever exsisted and tell me how it's still bad.

 

You have nothing to compare it to, you can't complain about changes. Look at it that way and see if you can still find fault with it.

[/quote']

 

Right.

 

The anime is based on the card game; that much must still be intact. Otherwise, the entire pretense falls.

 

As I can recall, 4Kids have made several mistakes regarding the rules of the card game, often swapping Life Points for Attack Points and vice versa. There is also the Mode/Position case, (Attack Mode / Attack Position, etc.)

and effects being shown completely different from their card game counterparts.

[Cin]

If we don't state the differences how can we answer your question? I see your point on if we'd only ONLY watch the dub, but we haven't. Its like saying a cheap brand might be good even though we've never tasted a more expensive brand.

[burnpsy]

Rabid close-minded fan? I wouldn't go that far.

 

I see where you're coming from' date=' I really do. In a way I'd understand, it'd be like if they continued Monk and replaced Tony Shalhoub with Jim Belushi or something.

 

But again, you've only stated the changes. You're talking about how the storyline was changed, bad puns added, and that their edits don't make sense. For a moment try looking at it this way.

 

Think of a way it is naturally bad. Forget all about the original japanese version for a second. Act like the dub is the only one that ever exsisted and tell me how it's still bad.

 

You have nothing to compare it to, you can't complain about changes. Look at it that way and see if you can still find fault with it.

[/quote']

 

On top of what everyone else said in response to this, 4Kids has actually failed in regards to things other than what could be noticed by watching both versions. For example, they made Max Warrior LV8, added Earthbound Immortal Chacu Challhua to Kiryu's hand, reused the same clip several times, got card effects wrong, etc. A large amount of their changes would be horrible even if there wasn't a Japanese version to compare to.

[Dr. Cakey]

Also awful voice actors, bad scripts, and stupid stupidness.

[Cin]

^Well admittedly with less Engrish in it 5Ds will suffer (GX was full of it, mainly thanks to Jim). Its getting it close and matching the lip sync.

[Headmaster Monokuma]

^Well admittedly with less Engrish in it 5Ds will suffer (GX was full of it' date=' mainly thanks to Jim). Its getting it close and matching the lip sync.

[/quote']

 

At least Jim was slightly interesting as a character. Jaden had no personality, other then his "Gary Stu" qualities, Syris was boring as a character. Bastion just, lost it. Zane, Axel, and Jim pretty much made the show anything, and even then it was very slight. I liked Jim more then Jaden, that much is sure.

[Cin]

That doesn't really relate to the topic... I only mentioned Jim because his use of English/Engrish.