Dub Question

[Rockin' Rollin' Duelist]

I have a question for people. Everyone constantly bashes 4Kids and their dubbing of the Yu-Gi-Oh series'. I would like to know why.

 

I have seen the original subbed version of the anime's, and the 4Kids dubs. Yes, they are a lot different, but it didn't ruin them. It only made them more kid friendly, and in some cases, it made more sense.

 

I am a huge fan of both the japanese and english versions of Yu-Gi-Oh GX (as I believe it to be the best out of the three Yu-Gi-Oh's, 5D's as the worst) and haven't found anything wrong with it, apart from some changes and Atticus singing.

 

I want to know why everyone is so against 4Kids.

 

Also, another dubbing company (Funimation) never seems to even be talked about. They've dubbed greats such as Detective Conan (Case Closed) and Nana, and they've already gained the rights to dub Rosario + Vampire as well.

 

So there you have it. Tell me why everyone is against 4Kids, and why Funimation is never mentioned.

[Cin]

Its the point that because of 4Kids everyone now perceives YGO as a kids show, which means people even though they may watch the sub version, get looked down upon. Its more of a show for teenagers, there's a bit of blood, a bit of death and some swearing. Funanimation lost the rights to have the series, that's why their never mentioned.

 

You mean 4 not 3...

[Rockin' Rollin' Duelist]

4? There's only three series. Yu-Gi-Oh (with Yugi and Joey and them), GX, and 5D's.

[Cin]

Actually its Yu-Gi-Oh/Season 0, Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters, Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters GX and Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds. Season 0 is forgotten mainly because 1) 4Kids didn't dub it. 2) Its a different studio who did it. (The 10 years relates to 10 years with the same studio)

[Rockin' Rollin' Duelist]

Never heard of the zero one. I only remember from the Seto dueling Yugi for the Blue Eyes (which he ripped up) and on

[Cin]

Its also commonly called A Shadow Game search around and you will find it. We better get back to the topic.

[Rockin' Rollin' Duelist]

Yeah, good idea

[Grunt Issun]

Why is 4kids so bad? I'll tell you why, in my own personal story

I'm an 11 year old kid who plays yugioh, now, theres only, about 5 people in my school who still do, all because of the gay 4kids dub, and one of those 5 people is a jack ass, one I dont know, and the other is the jack asses friend, so only me and 2 of my friends play yugioh in my entire school, becaues everyone thinks its dumb ALL BECAUSE OF 4KIDS DAMN DUB!!!

[Guest]

Funimation is commonly considered the Actually Very Good Dubbing Company. Screw Rosario; they did Baccano!

[Umbra]

It only made them more kid friendly

 

Let's put it to extremes and say you and your friends are going to watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre. You're really excited about it.

 

However, when you watch the movie, you find out that the publishing company has chosen to give Texas Chainsaw Massacre a new audience and make it viewable by children. Thus, they decide to edit out the chainsaws and replace them with light swords that can turn parts of people into a black fog.

 

Would you still be satisfied?

[Aesirson]

It only made them more kid friendly

 

Let's put it to extremes and say you and your friends are going to watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre. You're really excited about it.

 

However' date=' when you watch the movie, you find out that the publishing company has chosen to give Texas Chainsaw Massacre a new audience and make it viewable by children. Thus, they decide to edit out the chainsaws and replace them with light swords that can turn parts of people into a black fog.

 

Would you still be satisfied?

[/quote']That would actually be kinda cool.

 

But not in that movie, no.

[Dr. Cakey]

4Kids set a pattern - that it was okay to censor things that didn't need to be censored. Pegasus' guards have guns in the original (insert invisible guns meme here) - but they're rarely used and no one's ever hit with a bullet (Kaiba defends with Briefcase of Death, etc.). And then of course bullets are bad but lazers r kewl so itz k - even though I do not particularly want one of my limbs sheared off by a beam of focused light, staring in horror at a cauterized lump where a million cells cried out and were suddenly silenced.

 

In some sort of fascist alternate universe, censoring guns for the citizen-drones might make a degree of sense. But - just to make sure to avoid any shred of credibility - 4Kids then decides to change names. Again, changing the names of people might make sense in some sort of insular, xenophobic society where other nationalities are shunned as unclean ones. But why would you ever name Osiris the thundering Sky Dragon after your Executive Producer?

 

After the original run, 4Kids realized that their quality control was much too good, so they made sure to slack off for GX. What are attack points again? You lose when they hit zero, right? No, Jaden, you're thinking of Life Points. I know you're not as clever as Judai-kun, but try to grasp the game's basics, okay?

 

Their 5D's dub is just unspeakable.

 

Why does no one complain about Funimation? Hm...well, I've watched almost none of Funimation's dub work, but the little I've seen seems solid, retaining the original music and so on. Their One Piece is impeccable - I now understand why people say they like the dub better. Layered on top of that like a caramel sauce of awesome, Funimation has dozens of titles you can watch subbed online. The quality of the sub varies, but certainly their sub of xxxHolic is excellent, with plenty of translation and cultural notes.

 

And that is your answer.

[Umbra]

It only made them more kid friendly

 

Let's put it to extremes and say you and your friends are going to watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre. You're really excited about it.

 

However' date=' when you watch the movie, you find out that the publishing company has chosen to give Texas Chainsaw Massacre a new audience and make it viewable by children. Thus, they decide to edit out the chainsaws and replace them with light swords that can turn parts of people into a black fog.

 

Would you still be satisfied?

[/quote']That would actually be kinda cool.

 

I know, I'm physically incapable to think of bad plot elements.

[Legend Zero]

Funimation dubbed digimon....duh.

 

4Kids tried to turn YGO into something its not....a children's card game.

[Toffee.]

4Kids tried to turn YGO into something its not....a children's card game.

4Kids could have gotton away with there "terrible" dub' date=' if all of Yugimonz was more like this:

[img']http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080530030908/yugioh/images/d/d9/GokiponDR04-EN-C-UE.png[/img]

 

When in reality, its more like this:

[DSS]

dubbing is just wrong.....unless its Italian, now i can dig italian d=^_~

when i was a kid i watched most of the anime in italian even YGO

and i dare say its 10 x better than english dubs :| (even tho its still 4kids >_>")

[Aesirson]

The Swedish dub of Duel Monsters used the Japanese names.

 

They still used 4kids' butchered version, though >_>

[MortalKombatSmoke]

dubbing is just wrong.....unless its Italian' date=' now i can dig italian d=^_~

when i was a kid i watched most of the anime in italian even YGO

and i dare say its 10 x better than english dubs :| (even tho its still 4kids >_>")

[/quote']

Now I wouldn't say dubbing is wrong as long as it's done right. You see, English dubbing allows many lazy kids and teens in America to be introduced to anime, especially kids when they're young. DBZ for example, was my first anime, in English Dub, now the DBZ original english dub actually stayed pretty close to the original in my opinion, of course swearing was out and they removed some blood but that is it! It was still DBZ. Now the Toonami/Cartoonetwork version of Naruto was also very close as well! Once again toning down the blood and swears, and getting rid of some rather, obscene areas with bathing suits but it's still Naruto! However, in cases like the Disney XD version of NAruto Shippuden, let's just say this. THAT version of the Anime that is ment to be more adult and violent than the original Naruto is more inocent than the Cartoonetwork version of NARUTO! Basically not all Anime Dubs are bad, good examples are... on Adult swim: Death Note, Full Metal Alchemist, Inuyasha ect...

on Toonami: Bobobobobobobo, One Piece, Naruto, DBZ, ect. Also don't forget Code Geass!

 

but yeah, 4 kids ruins the maturity that separates Anime from American Cartoons.

[Shradow]

DeadMichael, may I turn your attention to this?

 

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/thread-167543.html

 

If they didn't make so many gd mistakes, maybe we wouldn't be hating them. But until they come out with a good dub, which is highly impossible, we will continue to.

[-Berserker-]

The latinamerican dub of Yugioh Duel Monsters used the 4kids version as the base. Not very good idea. The latinamerican Dragon Ball was made directly from japanese. There Satan was still Satan... But I'm sure I'm the only one here who cares about the latinamerican dub...

[Grunt Issun]

I wonder why they didnt change videls name in the enlgish dub...whatever

 

plus, 4kids censors cleavage

[Rockin' Rollin' Duelist]

I can see all of your points, but they all center around the same thing. You're complaining that they changed it from the original and made it more geared towards children, because in America, most cartoons (anime are cartoons) are for kids.

 

If those were the versions to come out first, you wouldn't be complaining because it'd be what you're used to.

 

I've watched both versions of all three Yu-Gi-Oh series, and besides some differences and dubbing errors, I found nothing wrong with them.

 

Some of the animes, like DBZ, have even come out with Unedited english dubs which follow the original story better.

[Umbra]

So you're saying we shouldn't mind the dubs because if they were kids' shows from the start 4Kids would be doing a great job?

 

That if it was another show that was just like the 4Kids version, we wouldn't hate it?

 

That if it was a completely different show, it would be fine?

 

Are you trying to convince us that you're an idiot?

[Rockin' Rollin' Duelist]

Obviously, I'm not the idiot. All I meant is that if the kid friendly ones were the originals, you'd be complaining that the other versions aren't like it at all. You're only against the 4Kids dubs because the original version was different. If the original was the kid friendly one and the dub was the violent one you'd be against the violent one because it's different.

 

It's called conditioned reasoning.

[CarlinFan]

Sure, if the originals were kid friendly and the dub were more violent, fans of the original might get mad. But that's because the only real purpose of a dub should be to change the audio to the intended dub language. Content edits stray from what the creator of the show intended. So yes, in the theoretical situation you gave, fans of the original might still be mad, but that's because the dub company strayed from the original show by editing content.

 

Besides, the issue most have with 4kids is that they censor shows and dilute the content to make them more kid-friendly regardless of the original intended audience. In this process, they often make the show sound incredibly stupid. Your theoretical points may be valid, but that doesn't change the fact that when dubbing, 4kids virtually always butchers the show's original content and edits out all violence, and they've never added any violence to a show, making your theoretical point irrelevant.