Pendragon VS Potter VS Percy

[Headmaster Monokuma]

Is it just me, or do half the people voting for Percy and Harry not know who Pendragon is? As said before, he just comes back. He's a spirit. He doesn't die, he just returns. Plus, leaving the world when they attack is useful.

[CarlinFan]

Oh, hell no. I leave you guys alone for one day, and when I get back the poll's went and gone all Percy on me. Screw it. I'm adding a character primer in the first post so that nobody can say they don't know who Pendragon is.

 

EDIT: Boom. Done. Now nobody can claim they don't know who the best teenage literary protagonist Bobby Pendragon is.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

...okay, Potter versus Percy.

 

Percy has water control and divine protection, Potter has Reducto and Sectumsempra (his moral fiber is too high for Avada Kedavra, and such a fight would be something out of Nanoha or Magical Battle Arena anyway, except with less lesbians and giant explosions).

 

Potter wins any normal engagement; even if I decide to give Pendragon a massive power-up and hand him Yukari's gaps (which half the page seems to be doing), ol' Harry's a master of Accio by now, and he can almost certainly summon Pendragon (or Jackson) himself. And it's not like Harry's a stranger to visits to the next world anyway. If it's any consolation, Pendragon is most likely to be the actual villain in this case, in which case Potter and Percy, after a brief Nanoha-esque confrontation, would unite and take 'im down.

[CarlinFan]

How can Percy and Potter conceivably defeat Bobby when he can regenerate and manipulate reality itself?

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

So you are calling him Yukari.

 

Well, then, let me tell you the power of the gods. One day, Pendragon Yukari Yakumo was sitting in a flower field with her equally omnipotent friends, Reimu Hakurei and Yuyuko Saigyouji. Suddenly, Shikieiki Yamaxanadu, the aptly-titled Yama of Xanadu, and her employee Komachi began to pass by the area. Yukari, who is supernaturally genius and over a millenium old, promptly decided that the three of them, who could, in order, manipulate any boundary, including life and death ("Shooting, stabbing, hitting, killing... it's all useless against me"), float away from reality ("If it wasn't just for play (with time limit), no one could beat her with any method"), and control death itself, were "no match" for the Yama, and had the three of 'em pack up and leave.

 

Keep in mind that Percy effectively issued edicts to Shikieiki's boss.

 

Actually, come to think of it, it's a triangle: Percy pwnz Pendragon with superpowered friends, but Harry beats Percy with quick-disabling magic that's rather useless against Yukari Pendragon.

 

But really, having read the series, Pendragon has nothin

[CarlinFan]

Percy doesn't get his "supernatural friends". It's one versus one versus one. Pendragon can use the power of Halla to manipulate reality, and he can travel to various time periods, places, and worlds to gather any and all weapons he needs. Pendragon can regenerate, so water impact can't kill him, and he can't drown once he goes to Cloral and gets underwater breathing gear from there. Percy will likely end up disarming Potter, and then the most overrated protagonist ever is dead meat. Yes, Pendragon's far more powerful than them, which is why he wins. And this isn't Touhou, so don't try to make this into Touhou.

[GraveHorizon]

^Yeah. Even if Percy had his friends helping him out, imagine the beatdown they would receive when the rest of the Travelers showed up to retaliate. Ron and Hermione wouldn't be much help to Harry, though.

[Shrekstasy]

Percy. Not familiar with Pendragon' date=' and Harry can't beat Percy.

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[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

@GraveHorizon: Yes, the Gods are soooo scared. Didn't we already establish that they rule existence for a reason? Adding more Yukaris won'd help.

 

@CarlinFan: You give Pendragon Yukari's powers for no reason, I'm allowed to use analogy to retaliate.

Let's use another example, then: Timmy Turner V Danny Phantom V Jimmy Neutron. Very all-american here. Timmy is analogous to Percy, in that his powers revolve around invocations; Danny is analogous to Pendragon in his nigh-invulnerability and total immortality; Jimmy is analogous to Harry in that his moves, while cumbersome, are the most practical alone. If Timmy is stripped of his fairies, he'll lose horribly; if not, he'll win easily. Curb-stomp either way. Danny can effortlessly beat Jimmy either way, and Jimmy has beaten Timmy before, since his tools tend to coincide in unfortunate ways with Da Rules.

Similarly, if Percy is stripped of his gods, he'll lose horribly; if not, he'll win easily. Curb-stomp either way. Pendragon can effortlessly beat Harry either way, and for Percy versus Potter, there exists a spell called "Expelliarmus;" Harry's rather good at it, and it's his signature spell of sorts. Riptide doesn't return that quickly that Harry can't follow it up with another spell called "Sectumsempra," a spell more at home in a Grand Guignol than Harry Potter.

Incidentally, the Touhou example can still hold. If Yorihime is stripped of her gods, she'll lose horribly; if not, she'll win easily. Curb-stomp either way. Yukari can effortlessly beat Youmu either way, and while Youmu's swordplay is probably equal to or slightly lower than Yorihime's, her status as a minion of the Netherworld puts her higher in the respect of Yorihime's gods than Yorihime herself, and her much-greater experience with long-range battles combined with her absurd speed will hand her that win.

But if you're so assured of Yukari!Pendragon's victory, why'd you bother with the poll?

 

In any case, it certainly seems like Percy's the best-designed hero. Harry is a total loser by book 6, though Philosopher's Stone has him in a very nice position, and immortal Eldritch Abominations generally don't make for very good protagonists (Yukari doesn't try, and Haruhi hasn't the foggiest idea she's an immortal Eldritch Abomination).

[Dr. Percival Cox]

Looks like I'll to explain Pendragon's existance. Pendragon is not human. He is a spirit from a dimension called Solara. He is apart from the creation of the origanal time and space. The race he is from links the entire universe together. The gods couldn't mess with him if they wanted. Pendragon can lead them to him and in an instant, destroy Olympus in advance destroying the gods and Percy's power. If Pendragon needed to he could destroy that faction of time and space where Percy is from and make the fight one on one with Harry where Pendragon would ultimatley win. So either way it is Pendragon wins. Period.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

Alright, my rebuttals are both petty and Platonic. First, petty:

 

Chaos is ultimately superior to any being other than itself, being the universe itself, so if they were really dedicated, the Greeks could get Chaos to unmake Pendragon and Solara; they still have the power card here. If Pendragon unmade Chaos, which really doesn't make sense in a conceptual sense, he would be unmaking his own fabric and thus destroying himself. If you want to play omnipotence, Chaos wins.

 

But that's really irrelevant. Solara is apart from the original creation of time and space, right? That means it has to have been created separately from the original time and space... and therefore, apart from Chaos and Eurynome's domain altogether. This leaves three possibilities: being created before and separately, concurrently and separately, and after and separately. This is where Platonic induction steps in.

 

Case: Solara was created before Chaos.

Induction: Um, no. Y'know that Genesis line, "the Earth was without form and void?" Chaos is like that. Specifically, Imma cite Ovid:

a rude and indigested mass:

A lifeless lump' date=' unfashion'd, and unfram'd,

Of jarring seeds; and justly Chaos nam'd.[/quote']So yeah. Nothing happened — at all — until Chaos started refining itself. If Solara existed before then, it would have required a) its own Chaos-like entity; see below, or b) things like life and time... before they were first created out of Chaos (Chronos is a god, remember?) In case c) it existed before then, but took advantage of Chaos's refinements once it had them, the Greek Gods would, as refinements of Chaos themselves, still have total power over the likes of Pendragon. So Solara didn't predate and therefore overpower Chaos.

 

Case: Solara was created concurrently with Chaos.

Induction: Only by the refinement of Chaos in the original time-space did things like light, darkness, life, and time come about. They're never re-originated, only further refined; hence, Chaos's total omnipotence. Since Solara was created independently of Chaos, that leaves two possibilities for its existence should it be created independently of Chaos:

>Another Chaos-like entity made Solara and sent Pendragon and the like as refinements of itself, the gods of Solara. At that point, Pendragon becomes a god and, regardless of the outcome of this hilariously petty battle, a massive war of the worlds with no clear winner (though I'm still bettin' on Hogwarts and the Greeks, since they're still on the same side) begins. Which is awesome, and should probably be made into a fanfiction.

>Solara existed in total independence of Chaos, which would be the same case as if it predated Chaos. See above for that refutation.

 

Case: Solara was created after Chaos.

Chaos never actually shows up in Greek mythology after the first creation. It means "gaping void, chasm, abyss." It never actually created anything, either; the gods are just refinements of itself, as I've already said about a million and three times. So if Solara was created after but independently of Chaos, it could be the awesome Chaos-versus-Chaos war-of-the-worlds idea stated above, or — most disturbingly — it could be an actual creation. In which case it would be, despite not having any elements of the original creation of time-space within it, under the direct control of the gods. Spooky.

 

To say nothing of the Fates, who lord over the gods... and Pendragon... and themselves... and with whom Percy has frequently interacted.

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[RiffMaster Alex]

Oh' date=' hell no. I leave you guys alone for one day, and when I get back the poll's went and gone all Percy on me. Screw it. I'm adding a character primer in the first post so that nobody can say they don't know who Pendragon is.

 

the best teenage literary protagonist is Bobby Pendragon.

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NO. The Pendragon series is ridiculously overrated. It's written poorly and is totally unrealistic to even the reality that is present in the books. Bartimaus trilogy FTW.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

@my giant Platonic argument: lolwut? YCM is being really stupid about long replies.

 

But if we're talking about series quality, Potter > Percy > Pendragon. Potter is funny, clever, and immersive enough to make up for the poor continuity (and that's easily explained away anyway), while Percy's protagonist is clever in his words but unremarkable in his actions, and the portrayal of Hermes versus Ares was really annoying. Pendragon, which is really unrelated to either, is just plain boring; I could barely slog through books 1, 2, and 9, which is why I'm not just quoting the books themselves to argue against Yukari!Pendragon.

[CarlinFan]

@ Supreme Gamesmaster: Your analogy doesn't work because Percy is alone in this battle. He doesn't get allies. If allies were involved in this, Pendragon and the Travelers would dominate the battle. Also, Pendragon doesn't get these powers until the series end. He isn't able to regenerate or heal for most of the series, meaning that his victories came without hydrokinesis, magical swords, or wands that shoot prettiful blasts of light. Pendragon has saved several worlds from complete chaos with his normal human capabilities. The Traveler powers just make winning easier for him.

 

I have to disagree about the overall quality of the books. In fact, I'd reverse your order. Pendragon > Percy > Potter. The Potter books weren't very interesting to me, I didn't care about the protagonists, and the last book was so unremarkable to me that I remember fewer details about it than I do about the first Pendragon book, even though I read the first Pendragon book far longer ago than the last Potter book. The Percy Jackson series has always been entertaining to me, but it's never been a favorite. On the other hand, I would often stay up obscenely late reading the Pendragon books, absolutely glued to them. The protagonists were much more interesting to me than those of the Potter series, Saint Dane is a far better villain than Voldemort (IMHO), and there's much more variety and creativity in Pendragon than Potter.

 

 

Oh' date=' hell no. I leave you guys alone for one day, and when I get back the poll's went and gone all Percy on me. Screw it. I'm adding a character primer in the first post so that nobody can say they don't know who Pendragon is.

 

the best teenage literary protagonist is Bobby Pendragon.

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NO. The Pendragon series is ridiculously overrated. It's written poorly and is totally unrealistic to even the reality that is present in the books. Bartimaus trilogy FTW.

 

>_< The Pendragon series is ridiculously overrated? Are you terrible at conveying sarcasm, or are you actually serious about that? The writing is hardly poor, and the whole point of the books is to be a fantasy, which is unrealistic by definition. If you want an overrated book series, try the Potter books.

The Bartimaeus series is good, though.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

In order:

 

That would explain a lot. I didn't get to the end. But geez, that's a depressing ending.

 

You fail to explain in our multiplayer fight (since we've established with analogy how ridiculously unstable any one-on-one-on-one fight would be, à la Timmy without his fairies against Danny and Jimmy) how Travelers > gods, which we have already established are extensions of the universe itself. Yukari!Percy is about as strong as it gets without being refinements of the universe.

 

Well, de gustibus non disputandum est, I suppose. Still, it's very, very hard to get into, at least for me; I don't agree much with Pendragon himself at all. I agree that Deathly Hallows was disappointing, but the odd-numbered books before that beat out both Percy and Pendragon, at least for me.

[GraveHorizon]

Oh' date=' hell no. I leave you guys alone for one day, and when I get back the poll's went and gone all Percy on me. Screw it. I'm adding a character primer in the first post so that nobody can say they don't know who Pendragon is.

 

the best teenage literary protagonist is Bobby Pendragon.

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NO. The Pendragon series is ridiculously overrated. It's written poorly and is totally unrealistic to even the reality that is present in the books. Bartimaus trilogy FTW.

 

Most people haven't even heard of Pendragon (I only heard about it through chance). If anything it's underrated. Potter is easily the most overrated of the three. Don't get me wrong, I love Harry Potter and think it was epic, but I do realize it wasn't the best series ever written.

 

...Just looked at the first post again. Besides being a little biased in the descriptions of the character's probable rankings, Bobby's skills are accurately depicted. Sure, he never actually used his best abilities, but only because his power source wasn't at 100%. He would just phase through Percy and rip his heart out. I haven't read Percy Jackson. Would that kill him?

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

IDK. I don't particularly like it, but I've heard of Pendragon for a loooong time.

 

Depends on if the gods want him dead or not. His only ability to compete is his calling on the gods, remember. He's gotten thrown out of Hades before, and Hades has thrown out dead people (i.e. Theseus) before, at the gods' urging; if the gods had a vested interest in the fight, they'd bring him back to life and give him a blessing that would turn him into a death machine (specifically, Athena's blessing let Diomedes fight with and injure both Ares and Aphrodite, to say nothing of what Zeus's can do).

 

See? You kinda have to involve the gods if people are dying at all.

 

(At this point, I'm just arguing against Yukari!Pendragon; this is a bit like "Lugia V Ho-Oh.")

[Xazeon]

You guys are over thinking it.

 

Avada Kadavra would kill both Robert and Percy.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

IDK about Robert, though. And Percy we just discussed.

 

But Potter would use Sectumsempra, not AK. It'd be more effective, too, on both of 'em.

[GraveHorizon]

You guys are over thinking it.

 

Avada Kadavra would kill both Robert and Percy.

 

Bobby would either come back after getting hit or just let it phase through him. He's a goddamn spirit!

[CarlinFan]

Sectumsempra would probably work on Percy, but not Bobby, because he can regenerate and return from death. Avada Kedrava wouldn't work on Bobby for the reason GraveHorizon stated.

[Xazeon]

You guys are over thinking it.

 

Avada Kadavra would kill both Robert and Percy.

 

Bobby would either come back after getting hit or just let it phase through him. He's a goddamn spirit!

I suppose so. It's been a while since I finised tht series.