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Jaden vs. Joey Who would win

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If Jaden went against Joey who you think win??  

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  1. 1. If Jaden went against Joey who you think win??

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Guest Ixigo

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ah your arguments aren't convincing either 2/3 of what you've said is prove it' date='prove it,WTF. Anyway I choose Joey for one Joey doesn't need to fuse to play flame swordsman guys he uses blue flame swordsman effect,second with stuff like skull dice and graceful dice on the field in Joey deck as soon as Jaden does some fusion to summon flame wingman, All joey gotta do is play graceful dice,multiply then skull dice,OH OWN AGE,not to mention he has raigeki,gilford the lighting and crap in his deck.

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*facepalm*

 

I was just replying to his own flawed arguments. My own arguments are here:

 

Jaden is one of the world's strongest duelists. When we first see him he is already on high-Obelisk Blue tier, even though he's only in his very first days. He then proceeds to defeat the Gravekeepers within an alternate dimension, then like four of the Shadow Riders, then the seventh, a man who has lived thousands of years and who has studied Jaden extensively and created a strategy that counters Jaden's, then Kagemaru, the man behind the Shadow Riders who has a deck designed to use the Sacred Beasts. He matches up equally against Zane who is already considered a pro-league duelist even before his graduation, then proceeds to defeat Aster Phoenix after acquiring new cards, a duelist who had defeated Zane in the past. He dismantles the entire Society of Light and essentially wins the Genex Tournament. In the third season he proceeds to survive through a series of challenges, the only time he gets close to losing being against Axel, finally to face-off and defeat Viper himself. After he and the others are transferred to another dimension, he defeats a whole list of duelists mind-controlled by the spiritual entity of a Duel Monster, then subsequently defeats that entity himself along with Jesse Andersen. After yet another dimensional travel, he conquers the Dark World by himself and rules it as Haou Jaden, again defeating Jim and having a close draw forced upon him by Axel. After he regains himself, he defeats the second-strongest being in the Dark World with his Fusion disabled. Then he proceeds to defeat Yubel-possessed Jesse, who had just defeated a much stronger incarnation of Zane and a person who wielded Exodia. Subsequently he fights Yubel herself, and even though admittedly he had Jesse's Rainbow Dragon and Haou's powers, it was still implied that he could have defeated Yubel had he not chosen Super Fusion to add to Yubel's hand upon Magic Chronicle's fourth activation. Either way, even that duel's outcome remains undecided, even though Yubel had used herself and her upgraded forms, extremely powerful monsters. Subsequently Jaden merges with Yubel while still retaining his ability to use Haou's powers, not only massively increasing his skill level but also enabling him to transcend dimensions and summon Duel Spirits to the real world. In the fourth season, he deploys those powers to defeat Agent Smith's clones (lol), one of them wielding not one, but two Five God Dragons, and all that without relying to his Haou power.

 

Compared to that, Joey's record is like... pathetic. Jaden beat two F.G.D. by himself, Joey would have lost against one without Yugi... Joey only managed to surpass Marik's Ra, because Marik underestimated Joey's ability to survive under conditions in the Shadow Realm - and it was eventually proven that Marik was correct in his initial assumptions - while Jaden defeated Ra by himself. Joey only did... anything even remotely useful during the Waking the Dragons arc because he had the Claw of Hermos, and then in the next one he was instantly wasted by Ziegfried. The only way Joey would be able to defeat regular Jaden and put a scratch on Haou / Yubel Jaden would be to consider him as his WtD incarnation, with the Claw of Hermos in his deck.

 

And that's what you are basing your argument? On a mere hypothesis on whether or not Joey has improved during the years between Yugioh and GX? How do you know that he hasn't given up dueling either? Besides, when you do a match-up, you don't just randomly say X vs Z, you have to specify which incarnations of X and Z you are talking about. I was referring to Battle City Finals Joey, the most common incarnation of Joey, and Season 4 regular Jaden. However, I doubt the outcome would change much, unless it's Season 1 Jaden vs WtD Joey or something.

 

The closest thing that happened to a "world tournament" in GX would be the Genex in season two, which Jaden technically won. Jaden does not base his deck on luck as much as Joey - he just has a lot of combos, so whichever cards he gets, he can do something with them. Joey's deck is far worse than Jaden's to begin with, even when he upgrades it with Jinzo (who is like, the only decent monster inside).

 

I don't remember the episode with the fake Ra, but I recall that it had all of the original's abilities, except... the godly powers of the real Egyptian gods, how else to phrase that. Which have nothing to do with duels. I don't remember if that guy used Ra's Phoenix form and other abilities though. Still, an Egyptian God is an Egyptian God.

 

What do you mean, it doesn't matter that Jaden beat two Five-Headed Dragons? Aren't they the same as FGD, the monster that nearly beat off Yugi and Joey together during the Noah arc?

 

My argument is solid, and according to all evidence, Jaden is better than Joey - the only way Joey can surpass him is by sheer cold luck, but Jaden does have a lot of it too - to be fair. You are overrating Joey because Yugioh took place on a larger scale than GX, which is limited to the Duel Academy, but still, the best duelists in the world are in the Duel Academy and the Pro League - Zane was stated to be one of the strongest in the Pro League and became even stronger by acquiring the Cyberdark deck, and Jaden surpassed him by defeating Yubel-possessed Jesse, who had just beaten Zane.

 

Anyway, it's an anime and it's card games, so the outcome is determined by the plot, but in a realistic situation, Jaden's constant fusion strategy would push Joey's regular monsters to an edge they cannot recover from. So for all purposes, and by all evidence:

 

Jaden wins.

 

Jaden's cards are... blatantly superior to Joey's - Skull Dice and Graceful Dice could only grant him like... one turn? Plus Jaden is at least as lucky in his draws as Joey, or maybe even luckier. Jaden in the first arc had only Elemental Heroes, but now he has the Neo Spacians as well, and he can pull of random contact fusions that while I agree are fanservice incarnate, they are actually quite useful against pretty much every strategy Joey can pull. Jaden now has... Yubel, Super Fusion... there is no way anything Joey could match up to that.

 

Haou/Yubel Jaden >> Haou Jaden (Neo-Spacian/E-Hero deck) > Haou Jaden (Evil Hero deck) >/= Joey Wheeler (Claw of Hermos) > Jaden (Neo-Spacian/E-Hero deck) >> Joey Wheeler (Battle City finals) > Jaden Yuki (E-Hero deck, first season) > Joey Wheeler (Battle City)

 

It's pretty obvious.

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jadens deck is fixed he like never loses ok i guess thats good but joey has an actual deck which used to mean just a bunch of good card now decks have to have "themes" like elemental heros , destiny heros, gadgets, so truthafully i love joey much motre then jaden joey would own him

 

all in all joey wuld run him into the ground

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Guest Ixigo

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Guy's you seem to be missing something and that's

Jaden: A School boy with E-Hero's

Joey: 3rd Top Duelist in the world

 

take 5 minutes to decide. wont even take you 15 sec. but take 5 minutes to think it over.

 

5 seconds?

 

1 second.

 

Jaden wins, for reasons too obvious to mention. It's like, stated fact. Jaden is far more skilled and has a far better deck than Joey.

 

And whenever / wherever was it stated that Joey is the 3rd best duelist in the world, lmfao. There are tons of duelists who could beat him.

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Haou/Yubel Jaden > Joey > Jaden

 

I agree. But I would root for Joey because' date=' at least IMO, [American'] GX sucks. BTW, if Joey had Spell Canceller in his deck, he would pwn Jaden (non-Haou/Yubel).

It's stated in the show that Polymerization is how he wins. Combined with Jinzo, no support cards for Jaden, and something like Maximum Six to destroy Bladedge, that would be deadly.

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Guy's you seem to be missing something and that's

Jaden: A School boy with E-Hero's

Joey: 3rd Top Duelist in the world

 

take 5 minutes to decide. wont even take you 15 sec. but take 5 minutes to think it over.

 

5 seconds?

 

1 second.

 

Jaden wins' date=' for reasons too obvious to mention. It's like, stated fact. Jaden is far more skilled and has a far better deck than Joey.

 

And whenever / wherever was it stated that Joey is the 3rd best duelist in the world, lmfao. [b']There are tons of duelists who could beat him.[/b]

How do you know? That last deck we've seen of his was the Claw of Hermos Deck, am I correct? You don't know how better he's gotten in the past 10 years til' GX. You say Jaden defeated the cards, but what you didn't say, was that it WASN'T JOEY. So since Jaden beat that guy with Yugi's Deck, he can beat Yugi? No, because it wasn't really Yugi using the cards. He has cards like Gilford the Lightning, and Scapegoat. He beat Solomon Mutou, one of the best in the world.

 

This is the most rescent deck.

 

http://www.janime.info/card/jyoonouchi_Deck.html

 

BUT, that was 10 years before GX.

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Guest Ixigo

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And how are we supposed to know how strong Joey is now?

 

Like I've already said countless of times, pick "a Joey", I don't care which series he is from, but one that already exists, not a hypothetical one. I could analyze you for every single series the outcome of a duel between Jaden and Joey, and unless the match-up is really one-sided (eg first-series Jaden vs Hermos Joey), Jaden would emerge victorious. Don't just throw in random hypothesis about how strong a character would be in the future.

 

Also no, the last deck Joey used was his regular deck, w/o Claw of Hermos, that he used in Kaiba's tournament against Ziegfried and got... pwnt in like an instant.

 

Rofl, whoever said Solomon Muto is one of the best duelists in the world? Series start Kaiba destroyed him, and Solomon had a Blue-Eyes AND Exodia.

 

When did anyone say that Jaden would beat Yugi because he was using his cards? If you do not know how to use the cards, you can't be the same as a user who knows how to use them - it's natural. If you are referring to the "Jaden vs Ra" incident, let me remind you that Joey wasn't facing the 'original' Ra, neither it's 'original' owner either. So yeah, there's no counter-evidence there.

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And how are we supposed to know how strong Joey is now?

 

Like I've already said countless of times' date=' pick "a Joey", I don't care which series he is from, but one that already exists, not a hypothetical one. I could analyze you for every single series the outcome of a duel between Jaden and Joey, and unless the match-up is really one-sided (eg first-series Jaden vs Hermos Joey), Jaden would emerge victorious. Don't just throw in random hypothesis about how strong a character would be in the future.

 

Also no, the last deck Joey used was his regular deck, w/o Claw of Hermos, that he used in Kaiba's tournament against Ziegfried and got... pwnt in like an instant.

 

Rofl, whoever said Solomon Muto is one of the best duelists in the world? Series start Kaiba destroyed him, and Solomon had a Blue-Eyes AND Exodia.

 

When did anyone say that Jaden would beat Yugi because he was using his cards? If you do not know how to use the cards, you can't be the same as a user who knows how to use them - it's natural. If you are referring to the "Jaden vs Ra" incident, let me remind you that Joey wasn't facing the 'original' Ra, neither it's 'original' owner either. So yeah, there's no counter-evidence there.

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Joey faced the real Ra and could have beat Marik,just saying attack dude.

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SladePrinceton_Rockz Newbie

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I'm not sure if this is true but...didn't Joey beat Yugi?

 

After the Battle City finals, didn't Joey duel Yugi to get his Red-Eyes back? Although the result of that duel was never shown, in Waking the Dragons, Joey uses his Red-Eyes against Rex (and possibly before then, I don't remember). So wouldn't that mean that Joey beat Yugi in their duel?

 

Again, I'm not sure if this is true...

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Ixigo, sorry, but shut the hell up.

 

your one of the biggest fanbrats i've EVER seen, what the hell!?

 

Jaden, has no skill, none so ever, its been proven, you use a deck in real life, exactly like jadens and you'd lose, 9 outta 10 times, even his newer deck. Jadens just one lame-ass puppet of 4kids in a sad attempt too get kids too run around going 'weeeeee new 2-heroes yay!! jadens the best!' Jaden has no skill what so ever. every duel, ever that he's been in, hes only won because the ending turns out like this.

 

-Jaden's Lifepoints 200-

-Opponent's Lifepoints 3900-

 

Jaden: Oh my god, im gunna lose this duel, i have no cards on the field and only one in my hand, i better draw something good.

 

-draw-

 

Jaden: Sweet, its just what i needed, check out my super cool new awesome e-hero that has an effect which i need perfectly right now, too save me!

 

EVERY SINGLE TIME IT COMES DOWN TOO A MAGICAL DRAW

 

Joey on the other hand, people say he's all down to luck aswell, false.

 

Joey took risks and chances, most of the time, sure he'd win them, but others he wouldn't, Graceful dice, Roll of fate, Skull dice, Time wizard, all those cards, had a chance too fail, and i can recall a couple of times when they did, but joey would still make a comeback even though his 'super awesome amazing combo' didn't go through.

 

'But jaden beat a god card, he beat Yugi's deck, and he beat 3 sacred beasts, he has yubel in his deck and has loads of super cool evil heroes!' F**k off! no one cares about that, because like i said, 4kids wouldnt dare see Jaden lose, it would effect the kids too much, and it would make the 'oh so mighty jaden' look crap.

 

You cant sit there and say, Jaden is better because he's never lost except like once, and joey's lost millions of times, that shows something!! it shows joey isnt a f**king creaton of 4kids that is made too be undefeatable.

 

you set up joey's deck in real life, i know for a FACT you'd win more duels with it than u would with jaden's deck.

 

So yeah, before all you other Jaden suck ups and GX fanbrats come running up saying 'oooh Jadens the best, i love his 25 million e-heroes' F**king think, because the cold hard truth is, that JOEYS BETTER

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What a lot of people don't realize is that certain scenarios in the show could have in reality played out much differently.

 

If one takes an analysis of Jaden's deck, they will find that almost all of his Spell Cards are various methods of fusion (Polymerization by any other name). The E-Heroes rely too much on fusion. In a straight fight against Joey, Jaden could, under certain circumstances, be demolished.

 

On the other hand, a strategic analysis of Joey's deck shows that he relies on luck far too much. Almost all of his cards could have dastardly consequences if they fail. However, even with the 2:1 odds of Time Wizard failing, Joey almost always has better odds than Jaden, since he has multiple strategies in his deck, while Jaden really only employs one. Still, the risks of his cards failing is huge compared to Jaden's. Joey could, under certain circumstances, be demolished.

 

Let's forget about Jaden's godly luck for a moment and look at the stats. To be frank, E-Heroes are a bit useless. THe good ones are almost impossible to get out due to the huge fusion chain. Joey, on the other hand, employs small but strong cards that can get him out of a pinch with no prerequisites. Considering that odds of success were lowered to 1:1 odds, Joey would win due to the fact that it's much easier to get his mainstays out than it is for Jaden to.

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Joey is one of the LEGENDARY Duelists. Next to Yugi and Kaiba, Joey is the best in the world.

 

And at first, Jaden was NOT even in the top 5. According to Pegasus, this is his top 5.

 

1. Yugi Moto

2. Seto Kaiba

3. Joey Wheeler

4. Aster Phoenix

5. Jesse Anderson

 

However, Jaden was able to beat both Aster and Jesse in a duel, pushing him up to the number 4 spot. But I think that's as high as he'll go. Jaden may be alright, but he's not legendary, even with his Yubel/Haou transformation.

 

In short, I'd say Joey would win, but it'd be a tough duel.

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