Club Magic [Current Event - Deck Building Contest]

[Oyobi]

Far as i know only the Artifact lands are banned in the Mirrodin Block. If there are any other lands that are banned i dont know em. Would you happen to know from what set or format this land is banned from?

[-Genesis-]

I don't know what it is called it's card text says play all cards as they are written. The stack does not exist.

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It was banned because people were destroying entire deck ideas with that one card. For example: no stack means no counter cards work.

[Crystal Remnants]

I don't know what it is called it's card text says play all cards as they are written. The stack does not exist.

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It was banned because people were destroying entire deck ideas with that one card. For example: no stack means no counter cards work.

 

I don't understand what you said' date=' but I think you misunderstand book burning, since even on the original card, you can tell what it is saying. At least, when I read it it said to me that any player can deal 6 damage to themselves, [b']BUT[/b] if no one does, THEN you can mill the top 6 cards from their deck.

 

Both the original card and the re-wording of it say that to me, and that is how it works in the rules. But I do understand how it can seem like burn and mill, even though it is hard to misconstrue it that way.

 

Anyways, go to Cardkingdom and search the card Dark Depths. If you have a mono-green that is great at getting out mana you can just get out a creature and use its effect at least once or twice per turn. And on the turns you don't play creatures you could use its effect more.

[Parting Shot]

Hey Azrael' date=' do you start college this fall?

[/quote']

He's 21 so I think he's almost out.

I am indeed 21, yeah, but I'll probably have at least another 2 years of school ahead of me, lol :P

 

My friend Matt has a mono black vampire deck. He took all the big vampire cards from it so now it's really fast. And damn it's annoying.

Mono black vamps is one of my favorite decks' date=' second only to my blue/black mill (though I want to turn that one into mono blue draw/mill when 2011 releases).

 

If I posted my Vamps deck list, would you guys be able to suggest improvements for it? I wasn't sure if that sort of thing was allowed in this club or not :P

 

I don't understand what you said, but I think you misunderstand book burning, since even on the original card, you can tell what it is saying. At least, when I read it it said to me that any player can deal 6 damage to themselves, BUT if no one does, THEN you can mill the top 6 cards from their deck.

Going by the English language and grammar rules (considering I'm an English minor in college), strictly speaking there is no "OR" in the original Book Burning's effect.

 

"Unless a player has Book Burning deal 6 damage to him or her, put the top six cards of target player's library into his or her graveyard." Everything before the comma is a condition followed by a result if the condition is not met. The comma represents a pause in the sentence and thus a break in the flow of the effect. Commas do not represent "or" in and of themselves, or even "and", "also", "if", or anything else, they are simply a pause. In this case, the (rather poorly written) sentence implies either: A) All players that don't have a Book Burning card take 6 damage and you can then mill 6 from any opponent OR B) One player that doesn't have Book Burning takes 6 damage and you can then mill 6 from any opponent (it depends on whether "a player" means "target player" or "all players"). Thus, the only OR about the effect is to who exactly is supposed to check for a Book Burning, there is no OR in the effect.

[Crystal Remnants]

Hey Azrael' date=' do you start college this fall?

[/quote']

He's 21 so I think he's almost out.

I am indeed 21, yeah, but I'll probably have at least another 2 years of school ahead of me, lol :P

 

My friend Matt has a mono black vampire deck. He took all the big vampire cards from it so now it's really fast. And damn it's annoying.

Mono black vamps is one of my favorite decks' date=' second only to my blue/black mill (though I want to turn that one into mono blue draw/mill when 2011 releases).

 

If I posted my Vamps deck list, would you guys be able to suggest improvements for it? I wasn't sure if that sort of thing was allowed in this club or not :P

 

I don't understand what you said, but I think you misunderstand book burning, since even on the original card, you can tell what it is saying. At least, when I read it it said to me that any player can deal 6 damage to themselves, BUT if no one does, THEN you can mill the top 6 cards from their deck.

Going by the English language and grammar rules (considering I'm an English minor in college), strictly speaking there is no "OR" in the original Book Burning's effect.

 

"Unless a player has Book Burning deal 6 damage to him or her, put the top six cards of target player's library into his or her graveyard." Everything before the comma is a condition followed by a result if the condition is not met. The comma represents a pause in the sentence and thus a break in the flow of the effect. Commas do not represent "or" in and of themselves, or even "and", "also", "if", or anything else, they are simply a pause. In this case, the (rather poorly written) sentence implies either: A) All players that don't have a Book Burning card take 6 damage and you can then mill 6 from any opponent OR B) One player that doesn't have Book Burning takes 6 damage and you can then mill 6 from any opponent (it depends on whether "a player" means "target player" or "all players"). Thus, the only OR about the effect is to who exactly is supposed to check for a Book Burning, there is no OR in the effect.

 

*sigh* Azrael, we already established what Book burning does. Sorry, but you're a little late to the party.

[Flame Dragon]

It doesn't make sense but whatever. The context of the wording differs completely from that decision you showed Oyobi. So I say if they want the card to work that way they should reprint it that way. I may be stubborn' date=' but I play the way the cards read.

[/quote']

I get that, but in reading the card I come to a different conclusion as to what it does.

 

 

I don't know what it is called it's card text says play all cards as they are written. The stack does not exist.

---

It was banned because people were destroying entire deck ideas with that one card. For example: no stack means no counter cards work.

 

I don't understand what you said' date=' but I think you misunderstand book burning, since even on the original card, you can tell what it is saying. At least, when I read it it said to me that any player can deal 6 damage to themselves, [b']BUT[/b] if no one does, THEN you can mill the top 6 cards from their deck.

 

Both the original card and the re-wording of it say that to me, and that is how it works in the rules. But I do understand how it can seem like burn and mill, even though it is hard to misconstrue it that way.

 

Anyways, go to Cardkingdom and search the card Dark Depths. If you have a mono-green that is great at getting out mana you can just get out a creature and use its effect at least once or twice per turn. And on the turns you don't play creatures you could use its effect more.

Using Vampire Hexmage with Dark Depths is much more affective.

[Oyobi]

Anyways' date=' go to Cardkingdom and search the card [b']Dark Depths[/b]. If you have a mono-green that is great at getting out mana you can just get out a creature and use its effect at least once or twice per turn. And on the turns you don't play creatures you could use its effect more.

 

Dark Depths looks good only problem would be land destruction so you'd have to hurry up and get rid of it for the big creature token. Then there the fact of spells that return creatures back to your hand. Still I like it, having a 20/20 flier that is indestructible sounds like a load of fun. Slap a Mirror Gallery and you got four of em on the battlefield...whats scarier then that?

[Crystal Remnants]

It doesn't make sense but whatever. The context of the wording differs completely from that decision you showed Oyobi. So I say if they want the card to work that way they should reprint it that way. I may be stubborn' date=' but I play the way the cards read.

[/quote']

I get that, but in reading the card I come to a different conclusion as to what it does.

 

 

I don't know what it is called it's card text says play all cards as they are written. The stack does not exist.

---

It was banned because people were destroying entire deck ideas with that one card. For example: no stack means no counter cards work.

 

I don't understand what you said' date=' but I think you misunderstand book burning, since even on the original card, you can tell what it is saying. At least, when I read it it said to me that any player can deal 6 damage to themselves, [b']BUT[/b] if no one does, THEN you can mill the top 6 cards from their deck.

 

Both the original card and the re-wording of it say that to me, and that is how it works in the rules. But I do understand how it can seem like burn and mill, even though it is hard to misconstrue it that way.

 

Anyways, go to Cardkingdom and search the card Dark Depths. If you have a mono-green that is great at getting out mana you can just get out a creature and use its effect at least once or twice per turn. And on the turns you don't play creatures you could use its effect more.

Using Vampire Hexmage with Dark Depths is much more affective.

 

Holy Crud did not know about Hexmage. Genius. For two mana also. Run a mono-black deck and you could get the 20/20 on turn 3.

[Flame Dragon]

It doesn't make sense but whatever. The context of the wording differs completely from that decision you showed Oyobi. So I say if they want the card to work that way they should reprint it that way. I may be stubborn' date=' but I play the way the cards read.

[/quote']

I get that, but in reading the card I come to a different conclusion as to what it does.

 

 

I don't know what it is called it's card text says play all cards as they are written. The stack does not exist.

---

It was banned because people were destroying entire deck ideas with that one card. For example: no stack means no counter cards work.

 

I don't understand what you said' date=' but I think you misunderstand book burning, since even on the original card, you can tell what it is saying. At least, when I read it it said to me that any player can deal 6 damage to themselves, [b']BUT[/b] if no one does, THEN you can mill the top 6 cards from their deck.

 

Both the original card and the re-wording of it say that to me, and that is how it works in the rules. But I do understand how it can seem like burn and mill, even though it is hard to misconstrue it that way.

 

Anyways, go to Cardkingdom and search the card Dark Depths. If you have a mono-green that is great at getting out mana you can just get out a creature and use its effect at least once or twice per turn. And on the turns you don't play creatures you could use its effect more.

Using Vampire Hexmage with Dark Depths is much more affective.

 

Holy Crud did not know about Hexmage. Genius. For two mana also. Run a mono-black deck and you could get the 20/20 on turn 3.

Yea, it's a great combo. If you don't mind waiting a turn you can get 2 20/20s.

[Oyobi]

Yea' date=' it's a great combo. If you don't mind waiting a turn you can get 2 20/20s.

[/quote']

Actually you can only have 1 of those 20/20's since its a legendary creature so to have more then one you'd need something like Mirror Gallery.

[Crystal Remnants]

Yea' date=' it's a great combo. If you don't mind waiting a turn you can get 2 20/20s.

[/quote']

Actually you can only have 1 of those 20/20's since its a legendary creature so to have more then one you'd need something like Mirror Gallery.

 

Yeah and I've thought it out, and getting a good combo for multiple 20/20s would not be the fastest approach. It would go moderate-slow speed at the fastest, which is slow enough to die from a mono-green beatdown, or a burn deck, or even a devour deck if it goes fast enough.

 

Anyone wanna duel right now?

[Flame Dragon]

Yea' date=' it's a great combo. If you don't mind waiting a turn you can get 2 20/20s.

[/quote']

Actually you can only have 1 of those 20/20's since its a legendary creature so to have more then one you'd need something like Mirror Gallery.

So, that's what it means to be a legendary creature. I never knew that, thanks.

[Crystal Remnants]

Yea' date=' it's a great combo. If you don't mind waiting a turn you can get 2 20/20s.

[/quote']

Actually you can only have 1 of those 20/20's since its a legendary creature so to have more then one you'd need something like Mirror Gallery.

So, that's what it means to be a legendary creature. I never knew that, thanks.

 

lol yeah Only 1 copy of a creature can be on the field if it is Legendary. If two copies are on the field anywhere, they both are destroyed. It's called the Legend rule.

 

Edit: So is that no on the dueling people?

[Oyobi]

The exception to the Legend rule that i know is Brothers Yamazaki and the use of Mirror Gallery.

 

I'll play ya Remy...its okay if i call you Remy right :D

 

Edit: Scratch that i cant play forgot i have somewhere to go. Maybe tomorrow?

[Crystal Remnants]

The exception to the Legend rule that i know is Brothers Yamazaki and the use of Mirror Gallery.

 

I'll play ya Remy...its okay if i call you Remy right :D

 

Edit: Scratch that i cant play forgot i have somewhere to go. Maybe tomorrow?

 

That's okay Oyobi, I'm already dueling Genesis now.

[Parting Shot]

*sigh* Azrael' date=' we already established what Book burning does. Sorry, but you're a little late to the party.

[/quote']

I know that you posted the "official" effect, but you also said that you could easily discern the "official" effect simply by reading the card. I was merely pointing out my wholehearted disagreement (which Flame Dragon posted a similar opinion to after me) with the latter half of your statement: that reading the effect gives a completely different effect than the intended or "official" effect.

 

Lrn2read, please. It's a very important skill necessary for advancement in life.

[Crystal Remnants]

*sigh* Azrael' date=' we already established what Book burning does. Sorry, but you're a little late to the party.

[/quote']

I know that you posted the "official" effect, but you also said that you could easily discern the "official" effect simply by reading the card. I was merely pointing out my wholehearted disagreement (which Flame Dragon posted a similar opinion to after me) with the latter half of your statement: that reading the effect gives a completely different effect than the intended or "official" effect.

 

Lrn2read, please. It's a very important skill necessary for advancement in life.

 

I read your statement. I just didn't care since it was completely useless. And I never said that reading the effect gives a completely different effect than the intended or "official" effect. In fact, I have always read the card as the intended or "official" effect. So maybe you should "Lrn2read," since I never misunderstood the effect. Genesis did, and I simply said that I could see how he might have misconstrued the card effect, even though the way the card was printed matches the intended or "official" effect.

[Parting Shot]

And I never said that reading the effect gives a completely different effect than the intended or "official" effect. In fact' date=' I have always read the card as the intended or "official" effect.

 

[b']That's exactly what I said in my post. I said that you DID think it read as the official effect says. I said that I DIDN'T think it read that way.[/b]

 

So maybe you should "Lrn2read," since I never misunderstood the effect.

 

Are you sure? I perfectly understood your posts but you seem to have misunderstood both of mine so far.

 

Genesis did, and I simply said that I could see how he might have misconstrued the card effect, even though the way the card was printed matches the intended or "official" effect.

 

And that is what I was disagreeing with. The printed effect DOESN'T match the official effect when you apply English language rules. I honestly don't see how you can read it so that it DOES match considering all the flaws I pointed out in my original post.

 

Regardless, the errata clarifies the effect (even though it removes the "someone else having Book Burning" aspect of the effect, which I actually kind of liked) so there isn't really any need to argue this anymore.

[Crystal Remnants]

And I never said that reading the effect gives a completely different effect than the intended or "official" effect. In fact' date=' I have always read the card as the intended or "official" effect.

 

[b']That's exactly what I said in my post. I said that you DID think it read as the official effect says. I said that I DIDN'T think it read that way.[/b]

 

So maybe you should "Lrn2read," since I never misunderstood the effect.

 

Are you sure? I perfectly understood your posts but you seem to have misunderstood both of mine so far.

 

Genesis did, and I simply said that I could see how he might have misconstrued the card effect, even though the way the card was printed matches the intended or "official" effect.

 

And that is what I was disagreeing with. The printed effect DOESN'T match the official effect when you apply English language rules. I honestly don't see how you can read it so that it DOES match considering all the flaws I pointed out in my original post.

 

Regardless, the errata clarifies the effect (even though it removes the "someone else having Book Burning" aspect of the effect, which I actually kind of liked) so there isn't really any need to argue this anymore.

 

True, true. Court Adjourned! *bangs large Gavel*

 

So I'm dueling Genesis, and he tapped a plains to suspend 20 a Heroes Remembered. I'm scared sooo much now. He's running a black/white life gain/drain.

[-Genesis-]

I don't understand what you said' date=' but I think you misunderstand book burning, since even on the original card, you can tell what it is saying. At least, when I read it it said to me that any player can deal 6 damage to themselves, [b']BUT[/b] if no one does, THEN you can mill the top 6 cards from their deck.

Going by the English language and grammar rules (considering I'm an English minor in college), strictly speaking there is no "OR" in the original Book Burning's effect.

 

"Unless a player has Book Burning deal 6 damage to him or her, put the top six cards of target player's library into his or her graveyard." Everything before the comma is a condition followed by a result if the condition is not met. The comma represents a pause in the sentence and thus a break in the flow of the effect. Commas do not represent "or" in and of themselves, or even "and", "also", "if", or anything else, they are simply a pause. In this case, the (rather poorly written) sentence implies either: A) All players that don't have a Book Burning card take 6 damage and you can then mill 6 from any opponent OR B) One player that doesn't have Book Burning takes 6 damage and you can then mill 6 from any opponent (it depends on whether "a player" means "target player" or "all players"). Thus, the only OR about the effect is to who exactly is supposed to check for a Book Burning, there is no OR in the effect.

 

That's how I read it.... with proper english.

 

Also the duel may have just ended with Remy, I played the enchantment Pariah on Cho-Manno, Revolutionary.

[Crystal Remnants]

I don't understand what you said' date=' but I think you misunderstand book burning, since even on the original card, you can tell what it is saying. At least, when I read it it said to me that any player can deal 6 damage to themselves, [b']BUT[/b] if no one does, THEN you can mill the top 6 cards from their deck.

Going by the English language and grammar rules (considering I'm an English minor in college), strictly speaking there is no "OR" in the original Book Burning's effect.

 

"Unless a player has Book Burning deal 6 damage to him or her, put the top six cards of target player's library into his or her graveyard." Everything before the comma is a condition followed by a result if the condition is not met. The comma represents a pause in the sentence and thus a break in the flow of the effect. Commas do not represent "or" in and of themselves, or even "and", "also", "if", or anything else, they are simply a pause. In this case, the (rather poorly written) sentence implies either: A) All players that don't have a Book Burning card take 6 damage and you can then mill 6 from any opponent OR B) One player that doesn't have Book Burning takes 6 damage and you can then mill 6 from any opponent (it depends on whether "a player" means "target player" or "all players"). Thus, the only OR about the effect is to who exactly is supposed to check for a Book Burning, there is no OR in the effect.

 

That's how I read it.... with proper english.

 

Also the duel may have just ended with Remy, I played the enchantment Pariah on Cho-Manno, Revolutionary.

 

lol just read this post when I got back from winning. My 5-colored deck has a lot of surprises, and you stood through all of them till the very end Genesis. No one I've played before has ever stood through Last Stand before, though I usually have more mana. But congrats. You sure have given me a run for my money!

 

Deny Reality is a pretty good card though, and it saved me. That's why I like 5-colored decks. They can have any cards so you can bust out of any situation. And a Progenitus and Maelstrom Archangel dealing 15 damage a turn is helpful too.

[-Genesis-]

Well if not for that all I needed was to wait. Sanguin Bond and Heroes Remembered.

 

also I just sent the invite for the next duel.

[Crystal Remnants]

Well if not for that all I needed was to wait. Sanguin Bond and Heroes Remembered.

 

also I just sent the invite for the next duel.

 

kk well I need to go use the bathroom, but I'll brb and we can duel then.

[-Genesis-]

See you there. You've beaten 2 of the slowest decks I have and now you're facing 1 of the fastest.

[King of Nothing]

Hey anyone checking out the m11 cards? Pretty crazy stuff. I think Magic's going to try and slow down the format a bit by making high cost cards fun to play (low cost cards used to be the most fun, IMO). I'm really likeing blue and green (normally a green player) but I think they're making white REALLY strong. Here's my analasys-

White: Strong

Blue: Fun

Red: Burn

Green: Fast

Black: Not enough info to decide, scattered?