Dark Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Lugia? I'm pretty sure Brave Bird wouldn't manage a OHKO, so just Toxic and Roost over and over and over and over and over again. But just for kicks, I choose neither. I'd go with Darkrai. <_< And Lugia can learn Psychic, the most overpowered move there is. Sarcasm, or are you just a tad bit crazy? <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexaeon Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 It really depends. If it's a standard Ho-Oh against a standard Lugia, Lugia wins. All it has to do is use Toxis and then stall out Ho-Oh with its defenses and Roost/Recover. However, if it's up against a Toxic Ho-Oh, then Ho-Oh wins. Toxic Damage + Sacred Fire will kill Lugia before Lugia's Toxic can kill Ho-Oh. Aeroblast means nothing against Ho-Oh - Lugia's Sp.Atk is crap (for an Uber), and it will never really invest much in there. Meanwhile, Ho-Oh has the 4th highest Sp.Def in the entire game. It has nothing to fear from an offensive Lugia. Outside of the games, Ho-Oh stil lwins. It's canonic powers place it on a level of Godhood comparable to Arceus' (in fact, according the Arceus event in HGSS, Johto and Sinnoh are deeply conencted with one another, and it's quite possible that they could both be full on Gods, though Arceus is still the superior one). As fpr that altitude argument for Birds vs. Beasts, it means nothing. If the birds want to fight the beasts, they have to get close enough to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy~ Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Well, with the right moves, Ho-Oh can win. Lugia could with the right ones too. Ho-Oh, because my Lugia sucks. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Lugia has type advantage by Water moves and a strategic advantage by Toxic/Roost, as aforementioned. Also, dragons > phoenixes in basically all mythologies. I figure a storm would be a pretty big hindrance to Ho-oh; a storm managed to put the dragon in fifth in the Zodiacal race, and again, dragons > phoenixes. Pokémon pretty much never die and humans couldn't possibly help freaking Ho-oh in battle, so control over death really isn't all that useful. If "bring both life and death" means something like Yuyuko Saigyouji, that would make him win the battle, obviously, but any claims that he could would need to be backed up with a great deal of canon before I could believe it, since phoenixes have no such power in any mythology I've heard of and I highly doubt such an ability would exist in freaking Pokémon. Insofar as their lackeys go, the dogs have type advantage, though Raikou's moveset is horrendous and a match-up of each element could go either way. Still, I don't think it's fair to judge based on lackeys, or else Arceus and the Legendary Ancients would trump everyone else (including, say, Mew, Jirachi, and the Legendary Dragons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Absol kicks both their ass'. On a serious note, I'd choose Lugia out of personal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexaeon Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 @Supreme: This is Pokemon, not myhtology. However much Ho-oh may be based on the Houou, and however much Lugia may be based on the Ryujin, it doesn't apply to their Poke-Power Levels. Canonically speaking, Ho-Oh is the more powerful of the two. That has been drilled into our skulls for a while now. Game-wise, which is what matters, I already explained the match-ups between Lugia and Ho-Oh; standard Lugia will beat standard Ho-Oh, but Toxic Ho-Oh will beat Standard Lugia. And if Lugia is honestly using Hydro Pump, you have liscence to laugh at the trainer; Lugia's SpAtk sucks in Ubers without CM boosts, and without STAB and against Ho-Oh's monstrous SpDef, the phoenix will shrug off Hydro Pump from Lugia with ease. Especially if Groudon was kind enough to put out some sunlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donquixote Doflamingo Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Ho-Oh' date=' its sexy and fire. Pandorum, I'm sure it just revived them if I listened to the story in Ecruteak correct.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skuldur Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Lugia. I just like him more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 It really depends. If it's a standard Ho-Oh against a standard Lugia' date=' Lugia wins. All it has to do is use Toxis and then stall out Ho-Oh with its defenses and Roost/Recover. However, if it's up against a Toxic Ho-Oh, then Ho-Oh wins. Toxic Damage + Sacred Fire will kill Lugia before Lugia's Toxic can kill Ho-Oh. Aeroblast means nothing against Ho-Oh - Lugia's Sp.Atk is crap (for an Uber), and it will never really invest much in there. Meanwhile, Ho-Oh has the 4th highest Sp.Def in the entire game. It has nothing to fear from an offensive Lugia. Outside of the games, Ho-Oh stil lwins. It's canonic powers place it on a level of Godhood comparable to Arceus' (in fact, according the Arceus event in HGSS, Johto and Sinnoh are deeply conencted with one another, and it's quite possible that they could both be full on Gods, though Arceus is still the superior one). As fpr that altitude argument for Birds vs. Beasts, it means nothing. If the birds want to fight the beasts, they have to get close enough to do so.[/quote'] Lugia's sprite in HGSS is probably infinity times better than Ho-oh's sprite. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexaeon Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Oh, no argument there. Lugia has and always will look cooler than Ho-Oh. I also like his HGSS theme better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davok Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Lugia's massive hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Larvae Moth. I mean Ho-Oh. Because Lugia's game was named Pokemon xD. Why would someone make a game based on an icon used in forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Oh' date=' no argument there. Lugia has and always will look cooler than Ho-Oh. I also like his HGSS theme better.[/quote'] Nah, I liked Ho-oh's battle theme better. But Lugia's wasn't all that bad, despite what some VGM fans say. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexaeon Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 They're both good. I just Lugia's more. =p But I like the whole thematic mood Ho-Oh's puts you in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCM News Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 I would say Ho-Oh. He really is a Pokemon of vivid colors, unlike Lugia who is gray. A little Bible reference: Ho-Oh is like Jesus, he heals and bring back to life, just like what He did with Lazarus. Lugia is like Satan, he brings terror to the Johto region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Because Lugia's game was named Pokemon xD. Why would someone make a game based on an icon used in forums? If I remember correctly, XD is short for Extra Dimension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skytin Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Lugia looks boring to me. So, ho-oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 I would say Ho-Oh. He really is a Pokemon of vivid colors' date=' unlike Lugia who is gray. A little Bible reference: Ho-Oh is like Jesus, he heals and bring back to life, just like what He did with Lazarus. Lugia is like Satan, he brings terror to the Johto region.[/quote'] The Bible doesn't matter much compared to how much Lugia has gigantic mismatching hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerberus21 Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 I would say Ho-Oh. He really is a Pokemon of vivid colors' date=' unlike Lugia who is gray. A little Bible reference: Ho-Oh is like Jesus, he heals and bring back to life, just like what He did with Lazarus. Lugia is like Satan, he brings terror to the Johto region.[/quote'] Actually, Lugia was SAVING the Johto region by stopping the three legendary birds from destroying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeroukoo Posted May 3, 2010 Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 Lugia canz learn water moves. Ho-Oh fire. Though Ho-ohs dog can definitely destroy the birds, Ho-oh can't destroy Lugia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexaeon Posted May 3, 2010 Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 ^ Lugia sucks with water moves. Your reasoning is completely and totally fail. Ho-Oh can destroy Lugia. All it needs is one move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost-O Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 Ho-Oh' date=' its sexy and fire. Pandorum, I'm sure it just revived them if I listened to the story in Ecruteak correct.[/quote'] Thats what i thought, also there signature moves Aeroblast and Sacred Fire are just as cool as there owners, but i think Aeroblast is cooler with the Critical hit chance. 50% Burn Chance > Critical Hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximil Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 Ho-Oh' date=' its sexy and fire. Pandorum, I'm sure it just revived them if I listened to the story in Ecruteak correct.[/quote'] Thats what i thought, also there signature moves Aeroblast and Sacred Fire are just as cool as there owners, but i think Aeroblast is cooler with the Critical hit chance. 50% Burn Chance > Critical Hit I'd rather kill than let it live with a status problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 Ho-Oh' date=' its sexy and fire. Pandorum, I'm sure it just revived them if I listened to the story in Ecruteak correct.[/quote'] Thats what i thought, also there signature moves Aeroblast and Sacred Fire are just as cool as there owners, but i think Aeroblast is cooler with the Critical hit chance. 50% Burn Chance > Critical Hit I'd rather kill than let it live with a status problem. You know what Aeroblast would be able to kill? [insert generic bad Grass-type with low SpD] and [insert generic bad Pokemon] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximil Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 Ho-Oh' date=' its sexy and fire. Pandorum, I'm sure it just revived them if I listened to the story in Ecruteak correct.[/quote'] Thats what i thought, also there signature moves Aeroblast and Sacred Fire are just as cool as there owners, but i think Aeroblast is cooler with the Critical hit chance. 50% Burn Chance > Critical Hit I'd rather kill than let it live with a status problem. You know what Aeroblast would be able to kill? [insert generic bad Grass-type with low SpD] and [insert generic bad Pokemon] What's it's base power? Don't feel like checking. And I'd rather run Lugia than Ho-Oh because of the abundant use of Stealth Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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