Alordzynix Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 BAN ALL THE MONARCHS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 BAN ALL THE MONARCHS! like that will ever happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberdude Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 BAN ALL THE MONARCHS! if they did i whould personally bomb komani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben7922 Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Raiza is the only monarch that deserves to be semi-limited at best. The other ones(including the dark one) can remain at 3. Although Grandmaster should be limited, he won't be. Not enough people use that deck well. I'll give my summary Changes to the banned list:Take off:Butterfly Dagger-Elma (Restore Guardian decks to be playable) Add:Elemental Hero Stratos(Slow down pc decks ALOT)Gearfreid the Iron Knight(Prevent BD Elma OTKs, seriously is this in any tier deck?)Treeborn Frog(Enough said)Dimension Fusion(After the next set, this is necessary) Changes to Limited-Add:Return from a Different Dimension (OTK alert)Foolish Burial (Too powerful in 2 or more)Grandmaster of the Six Samurai (Recycles himself and the support keeps it that way, keeps this deck in check)Trade in (Decoy decks are overpowered with this at 3)Creature Swap (Too many combos)Manticore of Darkness (End infinite loop) Changes to Semi-limited-Add: Destiny Draw (pc is slowed a little more)Shield Crush (There are enough cards to punish defense)Raiza the Storm Monarch (too powerful at three) Other than that, this can work I expect to be flamed for thisHowever Stratos searching any hero when Special Summoned is too much to stay playable.Butterfly Dagger over Gearfreid is my choice, I prefer another deck to be playable over a card that isn't useful.(There are other warrior beat sticks and Swordmaster isn't worth it)Dimension Fusion and Return are going to be sooooooo powerful when the next set is releasedGrandmaster won't happen until the SS decks are properly played by enough playersTrade in-Just watch when a deck is properly built around thisRaiza in threes are too much for one deck, might be cut to even one if his abuse keeps up. Really, when the Raiza/phoenix wing blast combo goes off its practically an OTK. Thats my explanation and my reasonsSadly this isn't all of it, but I can't remember the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Foolish Burial isnt too good' date=' because the card you want to send might have already been drawn, but yeah.[/quote'] could be, a lot of cards are situational, specially combos... but there's several deks that use follish burial to put their key monster on the grave and become fasters: frog in monarchs, disc commander in PC, dasher in destiny or normal decks, necro gardna in stall or sky scourge decks... need to say more?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Ben7922, Guardian decks even with Butterfly dagger, SUCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben7922 Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Ben7922' date=' Guardian decks even with Butterfly dagger, SUCK[/quote'] Not really actuallyThe control and power the Guardians can play at overwhelm several decksBut I didn't mean regional going on national good, they need a guardian that gives draw power to be that goodBut they could win locally or bat 500 at a good regionals event if dagger came backAlthough each of them have useful combo in their own deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 no i dont think so. Monarchs have HUGE control. much more than Guardians. face it, guardians are bad. you have to have a certain card on the field before you can summon them, and that card has to be equipped to a monster. with monarchs, you tribute your Survivor, summon raiza, +3, survivor comes back. way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 snipe hunter banned and future fusion banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 snipe hunter banned and future fusion banned if fututre fusion gets banned... there is no point in running fusions anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzumakinaruto93 Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 i kinda want pot of greed limited instead of banned...cause its not a card that can win u the duel by it self but can help u out of alot of hard situasions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Pot of Greed is a +4 with no downside. snipe hunter isnt as good as it used to be. if your friend runs sniper on you, run Shadow Imprisoning Mirror. Future Fusion will definitely NOT be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzi Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Solar Flare Dragon - Limited. Seriously, every duel my friend wins is because of 2/3 of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Pot of Greed is a +4 with no downside. snipe hunter isnt as good as it used to be. if your friend runs sniper on you' date=' run [b']Shadow Imprisoning Mirror[/b]. Future Fusion will definitely NOT be banned. i dont knowbut i find that card really situational... as if everyones gonna run DARK monsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Pot of Greed is a +4 with no downside. snipe hunter isnt as good as it used to be. if your friend runs sniper on you' date=' run [b']Shadow Imprisoning Mirror[/b]. Future Fusion will definitely NOT be banned. i dont knowbut i find that card really situational... as if everyones gonna run DARK monsters there's something called SIDE DECK... sounds familiar?? Ben7922, butterfly dagger WON'T - and i repeat- WON'T come back... because is the card with more locking combos than anyone else... and several of them involves gearfied the iron knight... let's see... elma + gearfied + royal magical library = infinity draw (exodia)elma + gearfried + magical beast cerberus = infinity attack (free OTK)elma + gearfried + spell absorption = infinity life points need to say more?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiom_Nor Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Eh, i kinda want to have Gravity Bind, Level Limit - Area B, Wall of Revealing Light, and Messanger of Peace all banned, because in GX tag force2, this ra keeps noob stalling me with an army of those cards, (btw, i cant pull heavy storm or MST) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Solar Flare Dragon - Limited. Seriously' date=' every duel my friend wins is because of 2/3 of these.[/quote'] if you cant beat solar flare dragons, you epicly fail seriously. deck fissure, 3 hammer shots, smashing ground, 3 lightning vortex, 3 Raiza, 3 Zaborg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben7922 Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Orochi, upperdeck picked Gearfreid over BD-ElmaI balanced out the BD-Elma OTKs by banning GearfriedFeel free to list realistic OTKs without him Pot of greed will never come back as much as I'd like to see it, besides our new version is DH-Disk Commander Kizzi, there are tons of cards to get around stalling/burn decks Snipe Hunter will stay because he may not work(mathematically 1/3rd if the time)Future Fusion at one is good enough. That is NOT worthy of ban list yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowan_thewolfgod Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I'd say Bad Reaction should be at least limited, mainly because: Bad Reaction + Snatch Steal = You take their monster, they lose 1000 LP every turn.Bad Reaction + Upstart Goblin = Draw a card, they lose 1000 LP.Bad Reaction + Rain of Mercy = I think you get it by now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben7922 Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 two cards...Decree or JinzoProblem solvedOr, monarch awayOr side dust tornadoand so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimajk Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I'd say Bad Reaction should be at least limited' date=' mainly because: Bad Reaction + Snatch Steal = You take their monster, they lose 1000 LP every turn.Bad Reaction + Upstart Goblin = Draw a card, they lose 1000 LP.Bad Reaction + Rain of Mercy = I think you get it by now....[/quote'] I doubt it would be limited because of those. Especially since snatch steal is already banned. If anything its because of gift card. But i still doubt they would even semi limit Bad Reaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Orochi' date=' upperdeck picked Gearfreid over BD-ElmaI balanced out the BD-Elma OTKs by banning GearfriedFeel free to list realistic OTKs without him Pot of greed will never come back as much as I'd like to see it, besides our new version is DH-Disk Commander Kizzi, there are tons of cards to get around stalling/burn decks Snipe Hunter will stay because he may not work(mathematically 1/3rd if the time)Future Fusion at one is good enough. That is NOT worthy of ban list yet[/quote'] ok, anyway elma is good banned and will stay right there... gearfried is not worth to be banned... also, banning butterfly dagger only bans guardian elma, and gearfried bans limit restrain and gearfired the swordmaster... better 1 than 2, isn't it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro2go Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Bans: Snipe Hunter, RaizaLimited: Jinzo, Shield Crush, Sakuretsu Armor, Dark BribeSemi-Limited: Crystal Abundance (though I use 2 of them in my Deck...), Chain Strike (it isn't that good), ........ Reasons: Snipe Hunter: Imagine.....loads of cards in the opposing hand! He/she can discard them to destroy ours, it's so annoying! Raiza: One of the most annoying things I've ever seen while playing in Game King. If it comes down during the first part of the game, you can almost lose! Jinzo: Pain in the butt card,.... Shield Crush: Do I even have to explain??? Sakuretsu: Attack! Boom! It immediately dies! Dark Bribe: Do I even have to explain??? Crystal Abundance: Well I have to say its a bit cheating! Although it won me a lot of games, its preferrably "unnoticlingy broken". Chain Strike: Sorry to say but this card is not as cheating as it looks. No reason to explain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaWave Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Any card that has an effect that protects them if another type is on the field. Like Magicians Valkiria, Command Knight, and....especially Solar Flare Dragon!!!!! I was playing World Championshop 2008 yesterday and My opponent played two solar flare dragons. I couldnt attack them, and I lost 1000 LP at the end of each of his turns....I was soooo pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Any card that has an effect that protects them if another type is on the field. Like Magicians Valkiria' date=' Command Knight, and....especially Solar Flare Dragon!!!!! I was playing World Championshop 2008 yesterday and My opponent played two solar flare dragons. I couldnt attack them, and I lost 1000 LP at the end of each of his turns....I was soooo pissed.[/quote'] if you can't manage that you DESERVE to be burned merciless... don't you have book of moon, enemy controller, brain control or destroyer cards on your deck? pro2go, your ban list is inconsistent... snipe hunter is not so good to be banned, and raiza will remain untouched since there's control against it, shield crush sucks compared with nobleman of crossout, jinzo is still controllable, sakuretsu is so ridiculouslly controllable... dark bribe is just another counter and gives card advantage to the opponent, so no... crystal abundance could be... but chain strike remains at 1, because the chain burn deck can destroy the opponent in 2 turns easily... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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