The Rogueport -Beanbean Divide [YCM's Paper-Thin Club]

[Clair]

Anytime. >D

 

TTYD was basically a giant, awesome spoof of the original. But SPM has a really awesome story...

 

Shame it wasn't really an RPG. D:

[Nexev]

But the point is that it's not something new when thier are over 5 games in the same franchise that do the same thing.

 

It ruins the point or paper mario.

 

You can hardly say it was different if the majority of mario games have the same game play.

 

3D is only usen occasionally and hardly changes game play either.

[Dark]

I agree with the fact that SPM was not "like" the other two, but look at it this way. Two games were made relatively similar to each other. Does that really define a series? Ehh, not really.

 

Super Mario Bros. 1 and 3 were really similar, but Bros. 2 (the US one, at least) put a new twist on it. It may have sucked (although the remake was smex), but it spun the original idea, still had the same concept that 1 and 3 had, and changed it.

 

Paper Mario and TTYD were based around a good storyline, somewhat based on the battle system, and the fact that you are "paper". Well, other than the battle structure, what really changed in SPM? Not much. You still have a storyline, you still have that paper-like feeling when you aren't in 3D, and it hits you on a nostalgic level in terms of being a side-scroller.

[Nexev]

Super Mario Bros two was a different game that they swapped some sprites with.

 

Seriosuly.

 

See

"Unlike the majority of other Mario titles, SMB2 was not developed from an independent point; rather it is a redesign of the Japanese Family Computer Disk System game Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic. " Wikipedia.

 

This is Super mario 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros.:_The_Lost_Levels

 

And I was arguing on the fact that SPM wasn't "Trying something different" but instead "switching the formula that caused RPG fans to like it with a platforming fomula"

 

Even though the game's good (I played it), it's fans have perfect right to be pissed, most of them wanted a RPG mario game and that's not what they got.

[Headmaster Monokuma]

What I was saying was that it not being what they want is not a reason to utterly hate it. That is usually the reason most people have for hating it, and their only one. That's what upsets me.

[Nexev]

Put it this way.

 

You are in a restaurant, you order some spaghetti, your in spaghetti mode, steaks a bit to tough for you to chew.

 

Your waiting, dreaming about how great the pasta will be, you've been here several times and the pasta was always great.

 

The waiter gives you a steak, you can't send it back so you eat it.

 

It's a great steak but still it's not what you wanted.

 

Some people can't play platformers, they just aren't good at them. Allot of those people play RPG.

 

When a rpg becomes a platformer people will be upset, people will hate it for being disappointing as it is not even close to the game they wanted.

 

 

But it could have been worse.

 

Imagine what would have happened if they made Final Fantasy a platformer.

[Dark]

The Paper Mario series isn't an RPG, in the term's literal sense. It's not a "role playing game". :/

[Nexev]

Even so, it attracts the same people, so the point still stands

[Clair]

The Paper Mario series isn't an RPG' date=' in the term's literal sense. It's not a "role playing game". :/

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Care to explain your view?

[Godot]

I would comment on that, but I'm too lazy.

 

Anyways, Super Mario RPG is an RPG, no? (No sheet) Well, I just finished memorizing the rap part of The SMRPG Song. It was so annoying. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvB-lIcHHPQ&feature=related

 

I have no life.

[Headmaster Monokuma]

I'm trying to memorize

It's hard because I can't understand all of the lyrics.

[Clair]

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I would comment on that, but I'm too lazy.

Anyways, Super Mario RPG is an RPG, no? (No s***) Well, I just finished memorizing the rap part of The SMRPG Song. It was so annoying. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvB-lIcHHPQ&feature=related

I have no life.
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Duh.

There's an RPG song for Mario?

Listening~

[Dark]

The Paper Mario series isn't an RPG' date=' in the term's literal sense. It's not a "role playing game". :/

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Care to explain your view?

 

What was that game called...?

 

Persona 3, or something. That would be more classified as an RPG, while "RPG" styled Mario games are actually just platformers.

[Clair]

The Paper Mario series isn't an RPG' date=' in the term's literal sense. It's not a "role playing game". :/

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Care to explain your view?

 

What was that game called...?

 

Persona 3, or something. That would be more classified as an RPG, while "RPG" styled Mario games are actually just platformers.

 

Paper Mario TTYD was a platformer?

 

You're confusing me. T_T

[Guest Zeonark]

The Paper Mario series isn't an RPG' date=' in the term's literal sense. It's not a "role playing game". :/

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Care to explain your view?

 

What was that game called...?

 

Persona 3, or something. That would be more classified as an RPG, while "RPG" styled Mario games are actually just platformers.

 

Persona 3 is half RPG half Dating Sim.

[Dark]

The Paper Mario series isn't an RPG' date=' in the term's literal sense. It's not a "role playing game". :/

[/quote']

 

Care to explain your view?

 

What was that game called...?

 

Persona 3, or something. That would be more classified as an RPG, while "RPG" styled Mario games are actually just platformers.

 

Paper Mario TTYD was a platformer?

 

You're confusing me. T_T

 

Pretty much. I wouldn't classify something like Paper Mario or Super Mario RPG as actually being RPGs. They are more platformer-like, really. There are only a handful of games that are fr srsly RPGs.

 

The Paper Mario series isn't an RPG' date=' in the term's literal sense. It's not a "role playing game". :/

[/quote']

 

Care to explain your view?

 

What was that game called...?

 

Persona 3, or something. That would be more classified as an RPG, while "RPG" styled Mario games are actually just platformers.

 

Persona 3 is half RPG half Dating Sim.

 

Dating Sim? :/

[Nexev]

Roleplaying characteristics copied from wikipedia.

 

Generally, the player controls a small number of game characters, usually called a party, and achieves victory by completing a series of quests. Players explore a game world, while solving puzzles and engaging in tactical combat. A key feature of the genre is that characters grow in power and abilities, and characters are typically designed by the player. RPGs rarely challenge a player's physical coordination, with the exception of action role-playing games.

 

These games usually have a highly developed story and setting, which is divided into a number of quests. Players control one or several characters by issuing commands, which is performed by the character at an effectiveness determined by that character's numeric attributes. These attributes increase each time a character gains a level, and a character's level goes up each time the player accumulates a certain amount of experience.

 

Paper MArio's Genre: Console role-playing game

 

Basically everyone says they're role playing games but you. So they are.

[Guest Zeonark]

Dating Sim? :/

 

Yes.

 

Throughout the mornings/afternoons of Persona 3' date=' you can go out with friends and such to increase Social Links. With girls, you can have them [s']be your bastards[/s] fall in love with you by increasing the Social Link.

 

Not only that, but Social Links are important for Personas.

[Dark]

Roleplaying characteristics copied from wikipedia.

 

Generally' date=' the player controls a small number of game characters, usually called a party, and achieves victory by completing a series of quests. Players explore a game world, while solving puzzles and engaging in tactical combat. A key feature of the genre is that characters grow in power and abilities, and characters are typically designed by the player. RPGs rarely challenge a player's physical coordination, with the exception of action role-playing games.

 

These games usually have a highly developed story and setting, which is divided into a number of quests. Players control one or several characters by issuing commands, which is performed by the character at an effectiveness determined by that character's numeric attributes. These attributes increase each time a character gains a level, and a character's level goes up each time the player accumulates a certain amount of experience.

 

Paper MArio's Genre: Console role-playing game

 

Basically everyone says they're role playing games but you. So they are.

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I won't argue with Wikipedia, but I always thought most Mario games were platformers. I never actually checked it on Google, and was simply going off of my thoughts. D:

 

Basically everyone says they're role playing games but you. So they are.

 

Yeah... no. That logic is horrible. If I round up a group of people who support me and say "you will get shot within the next three days", and you are the only one who opposes me, that means you are going to get shot. But that isn't necessarily true. The status quo on an opinion isn't always right, and many times the majority has been proven wrong. :/

[Clair]

I always thought platformers were "jump to progress through 2-D levels" kind of games.

 

I fail to see where TTYD has any of that. Except when you're jumping through the background. And in Bowser's mid-game lolstages.

[Guest Zeonark]

I always thought platformers were "jump to progress through 2-D levels" kind of games.

 

I fail to see where TTYD has any of that. Except when you're jumping through the background. And in Bowser's mid-game lolstages.

 

Bowser's LolStages were the best part of the game. And you know it.

[Dark]

I always thought platformers were "jump to progress through 2-D levels" kind of games.

 

I fail to see where TTYD has any of that. Except when you're jumping through the background. And in Bowser's mid-game lolstages.

 

No, those are side-scrollers. Platformer would be something more like Mario 64 or Galaxy. My mistake, and a big one at that.

[Nexev]

See the thing is this: What genre a game is, this is defined by people themselves.

 

While group opinion isn't always correct, if multiple people say a game belonged in this group it means the majority of people recognize the game as that type of game.

 

Psychologically this means more than a label.

 

OF course this arguement only applies in certain cases.

 

But RPGs are basifcally games like pre set DnD campaigns but without the dice. Developed plot, expansive world, the chance to do whatever you want (since you can always leave the plot to make Tayce's food and stuff).

 

Even fallout 3 is considered a action rpg. Even though it is also an FPS.

 

It's both.

 

Like Dente's Liquid Ice.

[Clair]

I always thought platformers were "jump to progress through 2-D levels" kind of games.

 

I fail to see where TTYD has any of that. Except when you're jumping through the background. And in Bowser's mid-game lolstages.

 

Bowser's LolStages were the best part of the game. And you know it.

 

They weren't the worst.

 

Peach's were. Well' date=' the ones without copious amounts of TEC. <3

 

I always thought platformers were "jump to progress through 2-D levels" kind of games.

 

I fail to see where TTYD has any of that. Except when you're jumping through the background. And in Bowser's mid-game lolstages.

 

No' date=' those are side-scrollers. Platformer would be something more like Mario 64 or Galaxy. My mistake, and a big one at that.

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I see now. Thanks.

 

And everybody makes mistakes. ^^

[Dark]

While group opinion isn't always correct, if multiple people say a game belonged in this group it means the majority of people recognize the game as that type of game.

 

This wasn't a substantial amount of people to create a label, psychological nor physical. If 90% of the video game commnuity recognized Paper Mario as a side scroller, it would be widely accepted, yet not necessarily right. And throughout the video game commnuity, that is what you'd refer to Paper Mario as. In YCM, however, you are representing a small population of the video game community. If 90% of YCMers think Paper Mario is an RPG, it would be widely accepted in terms of the YCM population. That doesn't mean it would have any significant impact on the greater society, nor does it mean the opinion is right. It's just a popular vote.

 

But I agree that Paper Mario is an RPG, the logic you were using to deem it that is wrong, though.