Mister Sir Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 I'm an agnostic and I'm just ecstatic about joining this club Although I'm not sure which side to take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted March 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Screw you. ;D From what I've gathered' date=' the topic is about Allah and God being different, right? It's funny, I had this discussion a while ago. Allah is God. They say that in the Quaran. Allah is Arabic for God. God is the same in all religions.[/quote'] In monotheistic religions, at least. But I don't think so. Allah may be God in Arabic, but I still feel they are two different entities (too bad neither of 'em exist). They aren't one in the same, as it's said one passed down the Bible through revelations and the other passed the Quran. And if they were the same, wouldn't Christianity and Islam be the same religion? I'm an agnostic and I'm just ecstatic about joining this club Although I'm not sure which side to take WELCOME! <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godot Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Screw you. ;D From what I've gathered' date=' the topic is about Allah and God being different, right? It's funny, I had this discussion a while ago. Allah is God. They say that in the Quaran. Allah is Arabic for God. God is the same in all religions.[/quote'] In monotheistic religions, at least. But I don't think so. Allah may be God in Arabic, but I still feel they are two different entities (too bad neither of 'em exist). They aren't one in the same, as it's said one passed down the Bible through revelations and the other passed the Quran. And if they were the same, wouldn't Christianity and Islam be the same religion? IMO, it all comes down to beliefs and Prophets. I believe the God in the Bible and the Jewish Book (Lol, I forget what it's called. xD) are the same, but their religions are different. Also, this may be a little off topic, but the Romans and the Greeks both believed in the same gods (They had different names, though), but the beliefs were different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted March 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 The Torah. Yeah, it boils down to how you define a religion being seperate from another. Hell, I honestly think all of them are just copy/pastas of the original religion, whatever the hell that means. But I honestly stand by my point that religion (and thus God) were created to create a sense of order among a civilization. Won't listen to me? That guy up there will send you to a baaaaad place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godot Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 But I honestly stand by my point that religion (and thus God) were created to create a sense of order among a civilization. Won't listen to me? That guy up there will send you to a baaaaad place. That's what my mom says. xD It was created to make order and rules, but then Extremists came along and then Jihads started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted March 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 But I honestly stand by my point that religion (and thus God) were created to create a sense of order among a civilization. Won't listen to me? That guy up there will send you to a baaaaad place. That's what my mom says. xD It was created to make order and rules' date=' but then Extremists came along and then Jihads started.[/quote'] Extremists are fairly recent, IIRC. The original religion I was talking about was like... wayyy long ago. As in, no official religious books, no religious teachings, just 'listen to me or bad things happen'. From there, people attempted to get higher control by adding things such as books and religious leaders. And then came the extremists. And all they are is people who misinterpreted (or maybe even interpreted in their own way) their religious book and did things. :/ I have another discussion topic to hit: what about Nostradamus? Some historians say that he has predcited so many things right that he had to have had some sort of supernatural connection with a higher being. I call bullshit. If you read his quatrains (the translated ones), they look really good. Like, "twin brothers fall in flames" and whatnot. But no one ever bothered to realize the numerous translation errors that could've taken place. I'll bet that the originals were just "building fall, fire rise". Vague predictions. And notice how the translations happened after the event he supposedly predicted. Like for 9/11, historians didn't translate his quatrain until after. And then they realized that it somewhat sounded like what happened that day. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akumakagemaru Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 But I honestly stand by my point that religion (and thus God) were created to create a sense of order among a civilization. Won't listen to me? That guy up there will send you to a baaaaad place. That's what my mom says. xD It was created to make order and rules' date=' but then Extremists came along and then Jihads started.[/quote'] Extremists are fairly recent, IIRC. The original religion I was talking about was like... wayyy long ago. As in, no official religious books, no religious teachings, just 'listen to me or bad things happen'. From there, people attempted to get higher control by adding things such as books and religious leaders. And then came the extremists. And all they are is people who misinterpreted (or maybe even interpreted in their own way) their religious book and did things. :/ I have another discussion topic to hit: what about Nostradamus? Some historians say that he has predcited so many things right that he had to have had some sort of supernatural connection with a higher being. I call bullshit. If you read his quatrains (the translated ones), they look really good. Like, "twin brothers fall in flames" and whatnot. But no one ever bothered to realize the numerous translation errors that could've taken place. I'll bet that the originals were just "building fall, fire rise". Vague predictions. And notice how the translations happened after the event he supposedly predicted. Like for 9/11, historians didn't translate his quatrain until after. And then they realized that it somewhat sounded like what happened that day. :/ About religion: I believe that, in some sense, you ae partially correct. Humans are naturally corrupt beings (conflict is clearly in our nature; even the so called "peace" we currently have is nothing more than a pack of lions tensing to pounce on each other), and there will always be someone trying to seize power through any mans necessary. About Nostradamus: You could be right. I never though he had a supernatural connection, he just had some vague dreams that wound up matching. That brgins me to to the 2012 frenzy. How do we even know that before our "known" history, there weren't other civilazations that got their own "2012" and got wiped out, but we rose from their ashes, however that may be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Too lazy to read all but: @Dark: Christianity and Islam are basically the same Religion, differences being their main Prophet and how they worship. Muslims accept and believe Jesus to be a Prophet, but they believe Mohammad to be God's main Prophet or whatever. Muslims are also a lot more religious and worship a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Sir Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 I suppose this is off-topic but... I actually used to be a Christian. Then after seeing the abundance of evidence supporting evolution and lack of evidence at all for creationism. I maintained my strong views through the next few years even when pestered by stupid Christian fuckwits who wanted to force their beliefs on me. But after seeing and experiencing the same arguments time after time I had realized that there wasn't really point to either side. The whole argument itself was flawed and I had played a part in it for most of my life. So I pretty much stopped giving a shit about religion or atheism after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted March 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 I agree that the entire argument is flawed. But really, the only difference between atheism and agnosticism is that atheists are firmly grounded in their beliefs (although I'm still willing to accept God if someone would show me non-Bible proof). Either way, I don't want to deal with religion either, nor do I care much anymore to get involved in these stale debates. Because it's a back-and-forth thing with one side using bullshit 'facts' such as the Bible, miracles and that sort, while the other side doesn't provide any facts and says no proof is available. :/ Although I think there is more proof towards the nonexistance of God than towards the existance. I can pull out 5 contradictions in the Bible just like that, and maybe 5 more if I actually decided to read the damn thing again. If God really is an omniscient, omnipotent being, you'd think he wouldn't be an idiot and have those contradictions. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godot Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 All holy books were written by man. That's why you can find contradictions. IMO no "mystical/holy being" sent the words down to earth. TBH, like 50% of my dad's family is Muslim. And the funny thing is, they still think my dad's Muslim. xD @The Nostradamus Topic: The 9/11 thing is bull. Honestly, I'm open minded (seeing as how I believe in Cryptids and sheet) but in my opinion, Nostradamus is complete bull. It was just lucky, vague predictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted March 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 But dude, both the Christians and the Muslims say that Jesus/Mohammed were given the Bible/Quran in the form of revelation. It must be true. :/ And it's not even lucky. Just vague. I can say "fire in the sky", too. That means I predicted 9/11, a bunch of forest fires, suicide bombings, large-scale fires in buildings... et cetera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godot Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 But when the sun explodes on Judgement Day, we'll all know the meaning of your prediction. I read the Quran once, and I read half of the Bible. But what do you mean "in the form of revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted March 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Hey, I pray and stuff. I'm so devout and stuff. I follow my religion and stuff. Yeah, now I'm sleepy. *snore* Now I woke up. Damn, I had a weird dream. Some dude told me to write some stuff and preach it. Cool beens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 As a possible revival topic, discuss religion and why it shouldn't affect education and government. :/ That's probably my favorite topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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