Black Feathered Dragon

[Jord200]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Blackfeather_Dragon

 

its good I guess. disc.

[Chaos Flame]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Blackfeather_Dragon

 

its good I guess. disc.

 

By "Good" I hope you mean against a burn deck.

[Jord200]

yeah. I can't really see it used anywhere else. except blackwings. maybe.

[Chaos Flame]

yeah. I can't really see it used anywhere else. except blackwings. maybe.

 

If the name is actually going to be blackfeather instead of blackwing would it still be eligible for BW support?

[Thomas★Zero]

yeah. I can't really see it used anywhere else. except blackwings. maybe.

 

If the name is actually going to be blackfeather instead of blackwing would it still be eligible for BW support?

I would agree but if this can reduce damage to 0 inflict damage and reduce ATK X 700 to the opponent while it starts at 2800 thats gotta mean something.

[玄魔の王]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Blackfeather_Dragon

 

its good I guess. disc.

 

By "Good" I hope you mean against a burn deck.

 

Or in a Psychic Deck. Or in a Cyberdark Deck as food (and there are better choices). That's about it.

[byak]

Against the Wind?

[werewolfjedi]

Against the Wind?

 

will be played in threes in a deck that tries to capitalize on this card.

 

it could be interesting to use in a deck that can deal much smaller amounts than 700 to itself repeatly, and then use this to make the damage equal out to more than what it should have been, and turn it on your opponent.

[Archelaus]

Before this card was released, people hypothesized that this would be another DAD/JD.

[Canadian]

Armed master + Vayu = this.

 

Its not horrible, just has its own uses.

[burnpsy]

Armed master + Vayu = this.

 

Its not horrible' date=' just has its own uses.

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It's not a Blackwing, so that doesn't work.

[Canadian]

Oh wow, your right o___o

 

Well, we still have silverwind the ascendant...

[Father Wolf]

With this Dark Strike Fighter can go to 1 because it counters it.

 

*gets shot*

[Toffee.]

Its not a Blackwing-

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

*cough*

Anyway...

 

Wasnt it already pre-determined that this isnt a Blackwing monster?

 

Also, this card's main use:

EPIC TRADEBAIT!

[Cavv10]

It haz black featerz. <3.

 

 

Also' date=' this card's main use:

EPIC TRADEBAIT!

 

This.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Against the Wind?

 

will be played in threes in a deck that tries to capitalize on this card.

 

Except that Against the Wind can't be activated while BFD is on the field.

[burnpsy]

Against the Wind?

 

will be played in threes in a deck that tries to capitalize on this card.

 

Except that Against the Wind can't be activated while BFD is on the field.

 

IIRC' date=' it can, but it absorbs all of the damage,

[werewolfjedi]

Against the Wind?

 

will be played in threes in a deck that tries to capitalize on this card.

 

Except that Against the Wind can't be activated while BFD is on the field.

 

IIRC' date=' it can, but it absorbs all of the damage,

 

why doesn't it let you get one? that doesn't make much sense to have it's effect that DOESN'T negate the damage, only makes it have a different result, to not let you grab a blackwing since the damage is depenant on the monster you choose to grab.

 

so if you don't get it, then you take no damage, and the effect can't activate, which means that nothing changes and you get the monster and take the damage, which is stopped because of BFD effect, which does not negate the actual effect of the card, so why is it that you can't get a BW?

[burnpsy]

Against the Wind?

 

will be played in threes in a deck that tries to capitalize on this card.

 

Except that Against the Wind can't be activated while BFD is on the field.

 

IIRC' date=' it can, but it absorbs all of the damage,

 

why doesn't it let you get one? that doesn't make much sense to have it's effect that DOESN'T negate the damage, only makes it have a different result, to not let you grab a blackwing since the damage is depenant on the monster you choose to grab.

 

so if you don't get it, then you take no damage, and the effect can't activate, which means that nothing changes and you get the monster and take the damage, which is stopped because of BFD effect, which does not negate the actual effect of the card, so why is it that you can't get a BW?

 

The order that the effects were written:

 

Select 1 "Blackwing" monster in your Graveyard. Take damage equal to the ATK of the selected monster' date=' and add it to your hand.[/quote']

 

For the Blackwing to go to your hand, you must take the damage, but you don't take the damage, so you get nothing.

 

If you control “Des Wombat' date='” you can activate “Against the Wind,” but since the damage you take becomes 0, you cannot add a card to your hand.[/quote']

[werewolfjedi]

Against the Wind?

 

will be played in threes in a deck that tries to capitalize on this card.

 

Except that Against the Wind can't be activated while BFD is on the field.

 

IIRC' date=' it can, but it absorbs all of the damage,

 

why doesn't it let you get one? that doesn't make much sense to have it's effect that DOESN'T negate the damage, only makes it have a different result, to not let you grab a blackwing since the damage is depenant on the monster you choose to grab.

 

so if you don't get it, then you take no damage, and the effect can't activate, which means that nothing changes and you get the monster and take the damage, which is stopped because of BFD effect, which does not negate the actual effect of the card, so why is it that you can't get a BW?

 

The order that the effects were written:

 

Select 1 "Blackwing" monster in your Graveyard. Take damage equal to the ATK of the selected monster' date=' and add it to your hand.[/quote']

 

For the Blackwing to go to your hand, you must take the damage, but you don't take the damage, so you get nothing.

 

If you control “Des Wombat' date='” you can activate “Against the Wind,” but since the damage you take becomes 0, you cannot add a card to your hand.[/quote']

 

but that's a different type of effect, it reduces the damge to 0.

this effect says that instead of taking the damage you can place a counter on this monster.

so sub effects now negate? but that isn't how defender works.

and if you would "take 0 damage" from BFD effect, which requires effect damage to be coming for sure, then it can't gain a counter from this effect, that is so confusing.

 

so how does that work now?

[burnpsy]

Against the Wind?

 

will be played in threes in a deck that tries to capitalize on this card.

 

Except that Against the Wind can't be activated while BFD is on the field.

 

IIRC' date=' it can, but it absorbs all of the damage,

 

why doesn't it let you get one? that doesn't make much sense to have it's effect that DOESN'T negate the damage, only makes it have a different result, to not let you grab a blackwing since the damage is depenant on the monster you choose to grab.

 

so if you don't get it, then you take no damage, and the effect can't activate, which means that nothing changes and you get the monster and take the damage, which is stopped because of BFD effect, which does not negate the actual effect of the card, so why is it that you can't get a BW?

 

The order that the effects were written:

 

Select 1 "Blackwing" monster in your Graveyard. Take damage equal to the ATK of the selected monster' date=' and add it to your hand.[/quote']

 

For the Blackwing to go to your hand, you must take the damage, but you don't take the damage, so you get nothing.

 

If you control “Des Wombat' date='” you can activate “Against the Wind,” but since the damage you take becomes 0, you cannot add a card to your hand.[/quote']

 

but that's a different type of effect, it reduces the damge to 0.

this effect says that instead of taking the damage you can place a counter on this monster.

so sub effects now negate? but that isn't how defender works.

and if you would "take 0 damage" from BFD effect, which requires effect damage to be coming for sure, then it can't gain a counter from this effect, that is so confusing.

 

so how does that work now?

 

You're making it more confusing than it is.

 

From the ruling, you can infer that you don't get anything if you don't take damage.

 

With BFD out, you don't take damage. You almost do, but it becomes 0, making it the same scenario.

 

Thus, you can activate it, but you don't get anything because you don't take damage.

[werewolfjedi]

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Against the Wind?
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will be played in threes in a deck that tries to capitalize on this card.
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Except that Against the Wind can't be activated while BFD is on the field.
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IIRC, it can, but it absorbs all of the damage, [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTWnxVVcZ7M]so instead of getting a Blackwing from your grave...[/url]
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why doesn't it let you get one? that doesn't make much sense to have it's effect that DOESN'T negate the damage, only makes it have a different result, to not let you grab a blackwing since the damage is depenant on the monster you choose to grab.

so if you don't get it, then you take no damage, and the effect can't activate, which means that nothing changes and you get the monster and take the damage, which is stopped because of BFD effect, which does not negate the actual effect of the card, so why is it that you can't get a BW?
[/quote]

The order that the effects were written:

[quote=Against the Wind]Select 1 "Blackwing" monster in your Graveyard. Take damage equal to the ATK of the selected monster, and add it to your hand.[/quote]

For the Blackwing to go to your hand, you must take the damage, but you don't take the damage, so you get nothing.

[quote=Against the Wind Rulings]If you control “Des Wombat,” you can activate “Against the Wind,” but since the damage you take becomes 0, you cannot add a card to your hand.[/quote]
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but that's a different type of effect, it reduces the damge to 0.
this effect says that instead of taking the damage you can place a counter on this monster.
so sub effects now negate? but that isn't how defender works.
and if you would "take 0 damage" from BFD effect, which requires effect damage to be coming for sure, then it can't gain a counter from this effect, that is so confusing.

so how does that work now?
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You're making it more confusing than it is.

From the ruling, you can infer that you don't get anything if you don't take damage.

With BFD out, you don't take damage. You almost do, but it becomes 0, making it the same scenario.

Thus, you can activate it, but you don't get anything because you don't take damage.
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so it's because the damage comes first then?

[burnpsy]

Pretty much.

[werewolfjedi]

Pretty much.

 

damn the yugioh order of operations.

[Cavv10]

I blame Canada.

 

*gets shot for lame South Park reference*