The Pokemon Gentleman's Lounge

[Dark]

The only time I ever used Pokeseals was to make a Farfetch'd say "FUCK U" whenever it came out. <_

[Felix]

I alwasys set up some Pokeseals before a battle, puts an extra aesthetic flurish to my scruffy teams.

[Dark]

I honestly don't notice Pokeseals except in trades, when the icon comes up notifying you.

[Ghost-O]

I haven't figured out to use them on Platinum. But it's not a major upset.

[Dark]

I don't believe I have gotten the Seal Case in SS yet.

 

And as it is, where the hell do you get seals in that game? <_<

[Zexaeon]

That's a good question. =/

[Dark]

Articuno is being annoying to catch.

 

Any recommended natures? I have Timid, Modest and Calm. Is anything else remotely viable?

[Zexaeon]

Bold Articuno is also an option. It can block Hitmontop more easily with a Bold nature.

[Dark]

Well I wasn't planning on using this in competitive battling, but a better nature means it is more worthwhile as trade fodder. Because people will bust their asses open for a Modest or Timid Mewtwo.

[Tentacruel]

Pokemon Games in your possession: All of them minus Platinum

Preferred Tier: I like all three equally

Shoddy Battle Name: pokeguitar

Friend Code: N/A atm

Favorite Pokemon: I love all Pokemon, but... err... Charizard.

[Dark]

Pokemon Games in your possession: All of them minus Platinum

Preferred Tier: I like all three equally

Shoddy Battle Name: pokeguitar

Friend Code: N/A atm

Favorite Pokemon: I love all Pokemon' date=' but... err... Charizard.

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By all of them, I am assuming RBY, GSC, RSE, FRLG, DP (not Pt), and HGSS.

 

Do you really have ALL of those?

 

And there are more than three tiers of battling. You have Uber, OU, UU, NU, Little Cup and Suspect. So either 5 or 6, depending on whether you count Suspect.

 

Belly Drum Charizard for the freaking win. Especially when you don't run a Rapid Spinner and have odd HP. So you switch in on Stealth Rock (hopefully on a choiced Earthquake). Belly Drum on the switch, and you are down to 1 HP. Three moves for awesomesauce type coverage.

[Zexaeon]

@Applicant: Are you actually interested in Competitive Battling? Or are you just joining for the sake of joining?

 

@Dark: Interesting, but also risky. Priority and Sash Pokes waste him.

[Dark]

Agreed, but I'm assuming you have some sort of entry hazards set-up to get rid of Sashers and you should've scouted out your opponent's team like hell before you employed such a strategy.

 

Articuno - Timid - 1 HP, Sleep - Pokeball - 29

4 / 24 / 18 / 30 / 16 / 12

[Ghost-O]

Agreed' date=' but I'm assuming you have some sort of entry hazards set-up to get rid of Sashers and you should've scouted out your opponent's team like hell before you employed such a strategy.

 

Articuno - Timid - 1 HP, Sleep - Pokeball - 29

4 / 24 / 18 / 30 / 16 / 12

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30 SpAtk? Hmm. I'd keep it.

[Dark]

And I am. The only other decent IV is ATK, which is royally screwed over due to Timid nature. I'd love for ATK to be switched with SpD or Spe, but it is perfectly fine with me.

 

I did an IV check on my Zapdos from LeafGreen, and I caught that thing with decent IVs. No notable 29's or 30's or 31's, but it had 20+ in every stat except HP.

[Ghost-O]

And I am. The only other decent IV is ATK' date=' which is royally screwed over due to Timid nature. I'd love for ATK to be switched with SpD or Spe, but it is perfectly fine with me.

 

I did an IV check on my Zapdos from LeafGreen, and I caught that thing with decent IVs. No notable 29's or 30's or 31's, but it had 20+ in every stat except HP.

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Nat?

[Dark]

Mild or Rash or something like that. Again, this was back when I didn't know a thing about natures or IVs. <_

[Ghost-O]

Mild or Rash or something like that. Again' date=' this was back when I didn't know a thing about natures or IVs. <_<

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T_T That's a bit unfortunate. But, sheet. 20IVs in everything isn't half bad either.

[Zexaeon]

You know, I just really thought about how incredibly OC I am about catching Pokemon. Because I'm looking at that spread and thinking to myself "I would have NEVER settled for that!"

 

I can only imagine how long it must have taken for Dark to get that Articuno, and yet I'd have still been throwing it back and trying again.

 

I waste my own time on this stuff, really I do. But at least I get awesome Pokemon as a result of this OCness.

[Dark]

You know' date=' I just really thought about how incredibly OC I am about catching Pokemon. Because I'm looking at that spread and thinking to myself "I would have NEVER settled for that!"

 

I can only imagine how long it must have taken for Dark to get that Articuno, and yet I'd have still been throwing it back and trying again.

 

I waste my own time on this stuff, really I do. But at least I get awesome Pokemon as a result of this OCness.

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Yeah, but you can't even use in-game Pokemon for competitive battling, unless you can RNH abuse like a pro and get 31s or 30s across the board. So long as I have a decent nature and a mediocre IV spread, I'll take it.

 

Also consider that I am catching things with Pokeballs. If I was using Ultra Balls or Dusk Balls, I'd catch Pokemon in one-fifth of the time, and would be happy to waste five times more time to get a better nature or IV spread. My main concern is that I catch things in Pokeballs and make sure they have good natures.

 

And to a point, there is a bit of RNG abuse for standing legends. I can't really explain it, but look at Ho-oh for example. When you talk to it, its wings will be in a down, middle, or up position. Depending on that, a certain nature is chosen. I realized that because when I walked up to Articuno and INSTANTLY pressed A, it was faster than my Dragonite, so it was most likely Timid. If I dicked around and then talked to it, my Dragonite could TBolt it and it could not have been a +Speed nature.

[Zexaeon]

=/ You can use in-game Pokemon for competitive battling. Dark, contrary to popular belief, people on wifi don't cheat nearly as much as people think thy do. Competitive Battling on Wifi happens with imperfect IVs all the time.

 

So yes, you CAN use in-game Pokemon for competimon. Which is why I always try and get the best IVs possible with the nature.

 

AND YEAH SEE, THAT'S WHY I DON'T USE POKEBALLS.

[Dark]

=/ You can use in-game Pokemon for competitive battling. Dark' date=' contrary to popular belief, people on wifi don't cheat nearly as much as people think thy do. Competitive Battling on Wifi happens with imperfect IVs all the time.

 

[b']To my knowledge, only legends are affected by the Imperfect IV disease, and legends don't make up too much of the current metagame. So I can see how imperfect IVs are okay, but you'd be losing Speed ties or not 2HKO'ing shit if your opponent legally cheats (oxymoron?) or RNG abuses. OH, AND RNG ABUSE IS NOT CHEATING.[/b]

 

So yes, you CAN use in-game Pokemon for competimon. Which is why I always try and get the best IVs possible with the nature.

 

Ehh, whatever. If I need to battle, I'll use Shoddy or just AR a perfect-IVd legend. Honestly, the WiFi metagame is dying, and when fifth gen comes out, no one will be using DPPtHGSS to battle anyways. And it's not even like I am cheating. I get legit IVs and put legit EVs, just minus the hours of effort it would take to do so. <_<

 

AND YEAH SEE, THAT'S WHY I DON'T USE POKEBALLS.

 

stfu up <3

[Zexaeon]

The Wifi metagame is alive as long as there are people to battle over wifi. And there are. So I'm just fine, thank you~

 

Anyhow, as I stated before, most people play Wifimon with good but not perfect IVs - they don't do much cheating. It's common to encounter Pokemon with 20's in IVs.

 

So yeah, sometimes you'll lose Speed Ties. That's part of why wifi battling is wifi battling - your strength is proportionate to how long you spent and how hard you "worked" on a specific pokemon.

 

It's a pride thing. Shoddy kinda pisses me off sometimes because, while convenient, it shows absolutely no effort on the trainer's part.

 

Also, I shall never stfu. <3

[Dark]

Yeah, but the WiFi metagame is really bad, imo. Almost every Standard team in WiFi runs the same Pokemon, for the most part, because people have to work to breed and EV something new or different. In Shoddy, you can dick around and experiment with a Solarbeam Groudon if you wanted to, because you don't have to go through all the trouble of doing the IVs and EVs and movesets. If you've ever played WiFi for long periods of time (like on Serebii, with 7 consecutive challenges), you'll see that every standard team has either Scizor, Tyranitar, Latias, or something to that effect. On Shoddy, you still see standard Pokemon, but you'll be surprised more often, like when you see a SpeCario (Specs Luke, I mean), which you may never see in WiFi.

 

And 11 IVs in a stat could be the difference between a 2HKO and a 3HKO. If you can just barely 2HKO with 31 ATK IVs, going down to the 20s almost guarantees you won't 2HKO outside of a critical. And if your opponent has 31 DEF IVs, that absolutely ensures that you cannot 2HKO. So while the people on WiFi may not give a damn about IVs, it can play a really big role if your opponent has better ones.

 

It doesn't matter how hard you worked on a specific Pokemon. Whether I use AR to EV something or whether you legitly EV doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is, in the end we all have the same stats (assuming IVs are the same, which they most likely won't be). I don't care if it took me 5 minutes and it took you 6 hours. We have the same stats, so they are the same Pokemon. No one will know that you spent hours and I used AR, because it is essentially the same thing. I've only ever legitly EVd one Pokemon, and that was because I didn't have AR at the time and I wanted to get the experience. But now, I'd much rather hack and have the game do it for me, since it's really just a time-saver.

 

I don't hold any "pride" in legitly making a Pokemon. And I can assure you that half the people who are on the WiFi metagame hack, whether directly or indirectly. Most of the IV breeders use AR to check IVs and natures beforehand, or use 1-step egg and hatch codes. Anyone who is against hacking better legitly breed and IV their own Pokemon, and if they are really extreme, not battle others who hack. Which eliminates a lot of people from the metagame. Shoddy was made so you don't HAVE to EV train or IV breed. It makes the game more fun, because you can sit and dick around battling, instead of painstakingly fighting 252 Bidoof to max our your HP. Using Shoddy doesn't show laziness or lack of effort. It honestly doesn't. It just shows that I'd rather get straight into battling instead of doing all the formalities beforehand.

 

Also, most people who have good-IVd legends (like moi) RNG abuse. So if you consider that hacking, have fun using bad-IVd legends on your team. You, for example, use your own legends. But if you ever verse an RNG abuser, you can be sure your Zapdos will be outsped and your Mewtwo will fail to OHKO my Darkrai. Shoddy actually makes the playing field fair, so you don't have to worry that you don't have an AR and cannot get perfect IVs.

 

And I use Pokeballs because they look cool. I could use Ultra Balls, but it doesn't matter. If I was actually battling with these things, I'd just hack and get Master Balls so I can easily catch them and be a dick about IVs.

 

So, I think I'm going to go to Cerulean Cave today. What HMs will I need?

[Zexaeon]

Stopped reading after paragraph 3. I dunmo about you and your serebii people, but I battle people whom I know and/or have gotten to know over interwebs when it comes to wifi. While some hacking does generally happen, no one abuses it for IVs.

 

Because again, it is about pride as far as I'm concerned. If you're pokemon can't 2HKO or 3HKO due to low IVs, you should have tried harder to get better ones. That's what it comes down to.

 

You have a very black and white view about it - it's all the same pokemon, blah blah, difference between 2-3KO, blah blah, but I don't care for that. I actually try to keep Pokemon fun for me, along with competitive.

 

And part of having fun when it comes to wifi is seeing who spent more time getting better IVd Pokemon, and who put more work into it.