The banlist isn't the problem, but the format's meta will suck

[-Griffin]

The banlist hit some stuff, yes, but I don't think that the Decks played would be much different with or without it. With the new Infernity support all coming out @3, and possibly some of the other support, such as the new Frog support guy which makes OTKing with them insanely easy, some Decks might call for emergency banlist edits.

 

tl;dr we're getting such good theme support that we'll have an OTK meta and everyone's going to be running Battle Fader just to stop it.

 

 

That's a possibility, at least, unless Fader really proves effective enough that these Decks cannot hold victorious. What do other people expect from the meta, looking at new cards more than the list?

[Toffee.]

.......I dont see how this is a problem.

 

The meta will FINALLY consist of something that ISNT Lightsworns + DAD-based decks.

 

Seriously, Frogs vs Infernitys will be awesome!

[-Griffin]

At least LS took 2-4 turns. Some of the builds I've seen for these look very FTK-likely.

 

 

But yes, my 3x Effect Veiler, 3x Fader and 1x Trago -type Frog Decks shall enjoy pestering Infernities. Yay for FTK-paranoia. At least they're usable in general, though.

[Toffee.]

Some of the builds I've seen for these look very FTK-likely.

Frogs become Legendary.

 

Now we just need Ark and Carrigan to laugh at us.

[Rose]

A frog meta, i would laught so hard if that happoned, just because how awesome that sounds/is. Frogs are cheap aswell, so a dam cheap meta deck? Hell Yeah!

[daboss144]

So we're saying that Glads and BWs are NOT gonna be top-tier this meta??? I don't think so...

[Dr. Cakey]

Machina Meta?

 

Just kidding. Anyway, Gladiator Beasts and Blackwings are certainly not hurt nearly as much as Lightsworns right now. I'm sure they can both still be run in some form - Vayuwings still works, right?

[Guest PikaPerson01]

But Inferinty's suck...

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

But Inferinty's suck...

 

Have you seen the new support?

[daboss144]

But Inferinty's suck...

 

Have you seen the new support?

 

Even that still may not be enough. The handless fake is their only hope.

[Wizarus]

But Inferinty's suck...

 

Have you seen the new support?

 

They still rely on topdecking to win though...

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

True, but Handless Fake helps alliviat that some and with the new cards they have plenty of OTKs.

[Father Wolf]

For Infernities to win they need the fallowing: Mirage in hand or on field + nothing in hand + Archfiend, Necromancer and an Infernity Tuner in grave. aka a 1 card OTK with a 3 card set up in graveyard, which Dark Grepher and all the -1 Draw cards due very easily... no top deck required with 3 Mirage, Sangan, and one for one in the game.

[burnpsy]

The meta has a bit more room with 2 of the top 3 decks from last format smacked down. Only time will tell what will take their space.

 

For Infernities to win they need the fallowing: Mirage in hand or on field + nothing in hand + Archfiend' date=' Necromancer and an Infernity Tuner in grave. aka a 1 card OTK with a 3 card set up in graveyard, which Dark Grepher and all the -1 Draw cards due very easily... no top deck required with 3 Mirage, Sangan, and one for one in the game.

[/quote']

 

They also have a support card that perfectly sets up their grave:

 

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

For Infernities to win they need the fallowing: Mirage in hand or on field + nothing in hand + Archfiend' date=' Necromancer and an Infernity Tuner in grave. aka a 1 card OTK with a 3 card set up in graveyard, which Dark Grepher and all the -1 Draw cards due very easily... no top deck required with 3 Mirage, Sangan, and one for one in the game.

[/quote']

 

And cards like Infernity Gun can set that up REALLY nicely

[Guest PikaPerson01]

But Inferinty's suck...

 

Have you seen the new support?

 

Failure is not a marketable strategy, regardless of how much of a surplus you have of it.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

So, having multiple ways to set up a fairly consistent OTK, having a bunch of cards that give +'s, and great support makes a deck bad? Sound the alarm, BWs are now considered horrible.

[Wizarus]

For Infernities to win they need the fallowing: Mirage in hand or on field + nothing in hand + Archfiend' date=' Necromancer and an Infernity Tuner in grave. aka a 1 card OTK with a 3 card set up in graveyard, which Dark Grepher and all the -1 Draw cards due very easily... no top deck required with 3 Mirage, Sangan, and one for one in the game.

[/quote']

 

I acknowledge the OTK, but the entire DECK can be stopped by an alarming number of cards, like Royal Oppression, which is basically the "Prime Material Dragon" for Infernities.

[burnpsy]

For Infernities to win they need the fallowing: Mirage in hand or on field + nothing in hand + Archfiend' date=' Necromancer and an Infernity Tuner in grave. aka a 1 card OTK with a 3 card set up in graveyard, which Dark Grepher and all the -1 Draw cards due very easily... no top deck required with 3 Mirage, Sangan, and one for one in the game.

[/quote']

 

I acknowledge the OTK, but the entire DECK can be stopped by an alarming number of cards, like Royal Oppression, which is basically the "Prime Material Dragon" for Infernities.

 

Last I checked, plenty of decks are stopped by Oppression. :/

 

Besides, that's what a Side Deck is for.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

For Infernities to win they need the fallowing: Mirage in hand or on field + nothing in hand + Archfiend' date=' Necromancer and an Infernity Tuner in grave. aka a 1 card OTK with a 3 card set up in graveyard, which Dark Grepher and all the -1 Draw cards due very easily... no top deck required with 3 Mirage, Sangan, and one for one in the game.

[/quote']

 

I acknowledge the OTK, but the entire DECK can be stopped by an alarming number of cards, like Royal Oppression, which is basically the "Prime Material Dragon" for Infernities.

 

Because Royal Oppression doesn't stop ANY other decks in the meta...

[Wizarus]

For Infernities to win they need the fallowing: Mirage in hand or on field + nothing in hand + Archfiend' date=' Necromancer and an Infernity Tuner in grave. aka a 1 card OTK with a 3 card set up in graveyard, which Dark Grepher and all the -1 Draw cards due very easily... no top deck required with 3 Mirage, Sangan, and one for one in the game.

[/quote']

 

I acknowledge the OTK, but the entire DECK can be stopped by an alarming number of cards, like Royal Oppression, which is basically the "Prime Material Dragon" for Infernities.

 

Last I checked, plenty of decks are stopped by Oppression. :/

 

Besides, that's what a Side Deck is for.

 

Not like Infernities. Their whole strategy depends on having no cards in their hand. In order to stop something like Oppression, they would have to TOPDECK the card they're looking for. And that is just one of the numerous cards that completely locks them down.

 

And you make it seem like everyone else doesn't have a Side deck as well. Infernities are a 1 trick pony. IF YOU CAN'T OTK YOU WILL LOSE. You might be able to pull off the OTK in Game 1, but you're not going to win in Games 2 and 3.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

But Inferinty's suck...

 

Have you seen the new support?

 

Failure is not a marketable strategy' date=' regardless of how much of a surplus you have of it.

[/quote']

 

Format will be Blackwings and Infernities in japan. But infernities always lose to BW since a simple dd crow wrecks the combo. Plus BW maindeck oppression.

 

Infernity here will be even worse because we lack trishula and ally of justice decisive arms.

 

Infernity suck, it's true because you have to get rid of all your cards and set up a 1 card OTK, but if that 1 card gets countered you lose because you're left with nothing but the top of your deck.

 

Here, I'm pretty sure the meta will be BW, GB and X-Sabers. Maybe Monarchs too because they got battle fader and a new engine with Hamsters.

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

But Infernities Deck Shall Main Starlight Road and Fairy Wind for those cases no????

[werewolfjedi]

But Inferinty's suck...

 

Have you seen the new support?

 

Failure is not a marketable strategy' date=' regardless of how much of a surplus you have of it.

[/quote']

 

even though it can synch 4 times in one turn from a one card setup?

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But Inferinty's suck...

 

Have you seen the new support?

 

Failure is not a marketable strategy' date=' regardless of how much of a surplus you have of it.

[/quote']

 

Format will be Blackwings and Infernities in japan. But infernities always lose to BW since a simple dd crow wrecks the combo. Plus BW maindeck oppression.

 

Infernity here will be even worse because we lack trishula and ally of justice decisive arms.

 

Infernity suck, it's true because you have to get rid of all your cards and set up a 1 card OTK, but if that 1 card gets countered you lose because you're left with nothing but the top of your deck.

 

Here, I'm pretty sure the meta will be BW, GB and X-Sabers. Maybe Monarchs too because they got battle fader and a new engine with Hamsters.

 

GBs are dead as well as soon as corridor of suffering comes out from the next pack.

 

I see a fairy meta personaly.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Mass Driver + One For One + Any Normal Summonable Monster = FTK

 

This combo can be altered in different ways, even becoming:

 

Wetlands + One For One + Any Summonable Monster = OTK

(Because this one isn't as obvious, SS Reverance Toad repeatedly to be used for the summoning of bulkier cards like Submarine Frog and attack for game)

 

Not to mention Reverence greatly helping the old Frog OTK, which is to say:

Swap Frog + Substitoad + Witch Doctor = FTK

 

Frogs kick the crap out of Infernity and they beat down all other decks now. Semi'd Treeborn. Moray of Greed. BATTLE FADER CANT STOP THE BURNS. FOR SIX MONTHS IT WILL BE EASY TO BE GREEN.