Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Yeah, but the "remove 2 monsters from your grave" thing really hurts X-Sabers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Yeah' date=' but the "remove 2 monsters from your grave" thing really hurts X-Sabers.[/quote'] FYI, you can remove anything from your Graveyard for Balkions effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazin Kay Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 The whole idea of having being able to special summon a monster from the extra deck with just a tuner and one other monster seems overpowered to me. I wish they never created synchros. Look' date=' Synchros are a -1.That logic fails. Armour Master and Gol'gar.[/quote'] And yet people still use them even though they -1 themselves. Why? Because they're overpowered, that's why. No one good is praising Gol'gar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 and on your "good list"' date=' wouldn't stardust be banned anyway?[/quote']Yes he would. however you are saying he isn't ban worthy. I am trying to prove he is. I don't go around banning things for no reason. The whole idea of having being able to special summon a monster from the extra deck with just a tuner and one other monster seems overpowered to me. I wish they never created synchros. Look' date=' Synchros are a -1.That logic fails. Armour Master and Gol'gar.[/quote']Isn't Gol'gar the Alien one? If so what about him makes him broken? He's a big beatstick that can some times make A-Counters (or what ever their called). To summarize, Naturia Beast makes a large part of the opponent's deck useless. Naturia Beast allows the controler to do so much more then just overextend with out fear because while Stardust negates a small portion of a deck, Mirror Force, Torrential, Fissure, Lightning Vortex, Smashing Ground and others, Naturia Beast negates about 1/4th to 1/2 of a deck with barely even a cost, since sacrificing a Stardust may force a player to leave himself wide open to a direct attack, while Naturia Beast does not. Naturia Beast does so much more then Stardust with so much less of a cost, in short, it promotes bad playing which is bad for the game. Yea, I have no retort for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 The whole idea of having being able to special summon a monster from the extra deck with just a tuner and one other monster seems overpowered to me. I wish they never created synchros.This. If Goyo had, oh...say...2100 ATK he would just be a good card, and most people would wedge one of him in between RDA and AFD. As it is, he is... Look at it this way. Suppose Goyo was an Effect Monster in the main deck. It's similar, right? Summoning a Level 6 monster is a -1. Now, no one is going to allow a 2800 ATK Level 6 with no backlash, especially if it's a Warrior. But because it has a white frame 0 in other words, because it's EASIER TO SUMMON - it's OK just being Limited. There's a 2400 Insect version of Goyo, too, but it's name escapes me... P.S. Run Karma Cut. P.P.S. Anyone ever notice Prime Material Dragon is Stardust + Blackfeather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 and on your "good list"' date=' wouldn't stardust be banned anyway?[/quote']Yes he would. however you are saying he isn't ban worthy. I am trying to prove he is. I don't go around banning things for no reason. is it the defensive effect that is ban worthy, or the fact it's attached to a monster this big, or that it's a synchro? the main thing why I don't think it's ban worthy is because it disrupts common removal effects, it doesn't kill (by effect.) all by itself. basicly, my POV is that a shield isn't as dangerous as a sword to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 The whole idea of having being able to special summon a monster from the extra deck with just a tuner and one other monster seems overpowered to me. I wish they never created synchros.This. If Goyo had' date=' oh...say...2100 ATK he would just be a good card, and most people would wedge one of him in between RDA and AFD. As it is, he is... Look at it this way. Suppose Goyo was an Effect Monster in the main deck. It's similar, right? Summoning a Level 6 monster is a -1. Now, no one is going to allow a 2800 ATK Level 6 with no backlash, especially if it's a Warrior. But because it has a white frame 0 in other words, because it's EASIER TO SUMMON - it's OK just being Limited. There's a 2400 Insect version of Goyo, too, but it's name escapes me... P.S. Run Karma Cut. P.P.S. Anyone ever notice Prime Material Dragon is Stardust + Blackfeather?[/quote'] Summoning a LV 6 monsters is a +/-0..you lose a monster..gain a monster >_>You lose 2 monsters at a minimum to bring him out Synchro style..you're way..he's even worse >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Summoning a LV 6 monsters is a +/-0..you lose a monster..gain a monster >_> You're quite wrong. You lose a monster on the field [-1]You summon a monster from your hand [+0] Total: -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Summoning a LV 6 monsters is a +/-0..you lose a monster..gain a monster >_> You're quite wrong. You lose a monster on the field [-1]You summon a monster from your hand [+0] Total: -1 Oh well? His way, it being a warrior effect monster makes it easier to summon that synchro... I personally don't truly think Goyo is all that horrible... And Synchro's are a nice addition to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 The whole idea of having being able to special summon a monster from the extra deck with just a tuner and one other monster seems overpowered to me. I wish they never created synchros.This. If Goyo had' date=' oh...say...2100 ATK he would just be a good card, and most people would wedge one of him in between RDA and AFD. As it is, he is... Look at it this way. Suppose Goyo was an Effect Monster in the main deck. It's similar, right? Summoning a Level 6 monster is a -1. Now, no one is going to allow a 2800 ATK Level 6 with no backlash, especially if it's a Warrior. But because it has a white frame 0 in other words, because it's EASIER TO SUMMON - it's OK just being Limited. There's a 2400 Insect version of Goyo, too, but it's name escapes me... P.S. Run Karma Cut. P.P.S. Anyone ever notice Prime Material Dragon is Stardust + Blackfeather?[/quote']Brain Crusher. Not only is he a lot weaker, he doesn't get the monster till the end phase and he's level 7 making him a -2 assuming you don't use something like Pinch Hooper to summon him. and on your "good list"' date=' wouldn't stardust be banned anyway?[/quote']Yes he would. however you are saying he isn't ban worthy. I am trying to prove he is. I don't go around banning things for no reason. is it the defensive effect that is ban worthy, or the fact it's attached to a monster this big, or that it's a synchro? the main thing why I don't think it's ban worthy is because it disrupts common removal effects, it doesn't kill (by effect.) all by itself. basicly, my POV is that a shield isn't as dangerous as a sword to the game.It's the combination. The fact that it disrupts COMMON removal is the problem. His effect makes it so most decks have no way of dealing with what the opponent may do allowing them to overextend with out fear, and as said before this is bad for the game. No a shield isn't as dangerous, but it doesn't need to be. Just because something isn't a much a problem as something else doesn't change the fact that it's still a problem. Also, FYI, this shield happens to block most swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 The whole idea of having being able to special summon a monster from the extra deck with just a tuner and one other monster seems overpowered to me. I wish they never created synchros.This. If Goyo had' date=' oh...say...2100 ATK he would just be a good card, and most people would wedge one of him in between RDA and AFD. As it is, he is... Look at it this way. Suppose Goyo was an Effect Monster in the main deck. It's similar, right? Summoning a Level 6 monster is a -1. Now, no one is going to allow a 2800 ATK Level 6 with no backlash, especially if it's a Warrior. But because it has a white frame 0 in other words, because it's EASIER TO SUMMON - it's OK just being Limited. There's a 2400 Insect version of Goyo, too, but it's name escapes me... P.S. Run Karma Cut. P.P.S. Anyone ever notice Prime Material Dragon is Stardust + Blackfeather?[/quote']Brain Crusher. Not only is he a lot weaker, he doesn't get the monster till the end phase and he's level 7 making him a -2 assuming you don't use something like Pinch Hooper to summon him. and on your "good list"' date=' wouldn't stardust be banned anyway?[/quote']Yes he would. however you are saying he isn't ban worthy. I am trying to prove he is. I don't go around banning things for no reason. is it the defensive effect that is ban worthy, or the fact it's attached to a monster this big, or that it's a synchro? the main thing why I don't think it's ban worthy is because it disrupts common removal effects, it doesn't kill (by effect.) all by itself. basicly, my POV is that a shield isn't as dangerous as a sword to the game.It's the combination. The fact that it disrupts COMMON removal is the problem. His effect makes it so most decks have no way of dealing with what the opponent may do allowing them to overextend with out fear, and as said before this is bad for the game. No a shield isn't as dangerous, but it doesn't need to be. Just because something isn't a much a problem as something else doesn't change the fact that it's still a problem. Also, FYI, this shield happens to block most swords. then what about defender, the magical knight, it's effect is similar. if it destroyed the source, would that make it broken as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 The whole idea of having being able to special summon a monster from the extra deck with just a tuner and one other monster seems overpowered to me. I wish they never created synchros.This. If Goyo had' date=' oh...say...2100 ATK he would just be a good card, and most people would wedge one of him in between RDA and AFD. As it is, he is... Look at it this way. Suppose Goyo was an Effect Monster in the main deck. It's similar, right? Summoning a Level 6 monster is a -1. Now, no one is going to allow a 2800 ATK Level 6 with no backlash, especially if it's a Warrior. But because it has a white frame 0 in other words, because it's EASIER TO SUMMON - it's OK just being Limited. There's a 2400 Insect version of Goyo, too, but it's name escapes me... P.S. Run Karma Cut. P.P.S. Anyone ever notice Prime Material Dragon is Stardust + Blackfeather?[/quote']Brain Crusher. Not only is he a lot weaker, he doesn't get the monster till the end phase and he's level 7 making him a -2 assuming you don't use something like Pinch Hooper to summon him. and on your "good list"' date=' wouldn't stardust be banned anyway?[/quote']Yes he would. however you are saying he isn't ban worthy. I am trying to prove he is. I don't go around banning things for no reason. is it the defensive effect that is ban worthy, or the fact it's attached to a monster this big, or that it's a synchro? the main thing why I don't think it's ban worthy is because it disrupts common removal effects, it doesn't kill (by effect.) all by itself. basicly, my POV is that a shield isn't as dangerous as a sword to the game.It's the combination. The fact that it disrupts COMMON removal is the problem. His effect makes it so most decks have no way of dealing with what the opponent may do allowing them to overextend with out fear, and as said before this is bad for the game. No a shield isn't as dangerous, but it doesn't need to be. Just because something isn't a much a problem as something else doesn't change the fact that it's still a problem. Also, FYI, this shield happens to block most swords. then what about defender, the magical knight, it's effect is similar. if it destroyed the source, would that make it broken as well?No because it's effect has limited use. While you can use Stardust's effect once a turn you can use that effect once every turn. Knight will eventually run out of counters. Plus he has 1600 ATK, which makes him much easier to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.B X Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Broken Synchros, well let me see... The number 1 is ( Blackwing Armor Master ) Without thinking twice, this card is too useful i mean: If used with mr. broken SD Stardust Dragon, it just cant be beaten. You can protect this card easily with Dark Illusion. Equip this card with Raregold Armor. Equip this card with Ring of Magnetism to protect your monsters. Fast effecive super combo, DNA Surgery + Diffusion Wave-Motion = Wedge Counters on all monsters your opponent controls. Plus does Reptilianne Vasuki and Naturia Fruitfly ring a bell? I just dont understand why you guys want KONAMI to make these awesome cool cards and combos Forbidden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Broken Synchros' date=' well let me see... The number 1 is ( Blackwing Armor Master ) Without thinking twice, this card is too useful i mean: If used with mr. broken SD Stardust Dragon, it just cant be beaten. You can protect this card easily with Dark Illusion. Equip this card with Raregold Armor. Equip this card with Ring of Magnetism to protect your monsters. Fast effecive super combo, DNA Surgery + Diffusion Wave-Motion = Wedge Counters on all monsters your opponent controls. Plus does Reptilianne Vasuki and Naturia Fruitfly ring a bell? I just dont understand why you guys want KONAMI to make these awesome cool cards and combos Forbidden![/i'] I flip Morphing Jar #2. Your combo is invalid, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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